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The Donkey

Surely you've been watching our games and seeing the inverted wingers scoring like crazy over the last 8 years. Would Mo have scored more if he was playing in the middle, or did his positioning on the inside right help him get a bit of space and angles?
Jota's started in the middle many times over the years and sometimes he's been good, other times not so good. He gets plenty of chances playing on the left and has a free-ish role which is great for him. And none of our players would get some of the chances Nunez gets when getting in behind the defence due to his blistering speed.
Nunez has frustrated with his finishing, but he's been so good for the team. I think if you asked defenders who they'd rather play against between Jota and Nunez, they'll likely say Jota. They'd regret it, mind.
Anyway, all of the ex-pros in the media and our management team seem to have a different opinion to a few on this site.
Most definitely, I was thinking about it when I wrote my post. The thing is, Nunez isn't Firmino. So, I'd buy the fact that our inverted wingers scored more and got more chances when Salah, Mane and Firmino played upfront. But with Nunez upfront, we don't seem to play the way we did with Firmino because he was a totally different type of player.
 
Most definitely, I was thinking about it when I wrote my post. The thing is, Nunez isn't Firmino. So, I'd buy the fact that our inverted wingers scored more and got more chances when Salah, Mane and Firmino played upfront. But with Nunez upfront, we don't seem to play the way we did with Firmino because he was a totally different type of player.
I know what you're saying, but we've been scoring a shit ton of goals with Nunez in the team.
 
I know what you're saying, but we've been scoring a shit ton of goals with Nunez in the team.
I'm not saying that we don't score a lot when Nunez is on the pitch, I'm just trying to get an idea of what the general consensus is about who starts when Salah is back?
Right now there's no question about who I want see play upfront, it's Nunez. Although I agree with the likes of Fowler who basically said, that Nunez is a striker and should be the one scoring goals.
When Salah comes back a decision has to be made and knowing Klopp, he'll will be the first name on the team sheet.
 
I'm not saying that we don't score a lot when Nunez is on the pitch, I'm just trying to get an idea of what the general consensus is about who starts when Salah is back?
Right now there's no question about who I want see play upfront, it's Nunez. Although I agree with the likes of Fowler who basically said, that Nunez is a striker and should be the one scoring goals.
When Salah comes back a decision has to be made and knowing Klopp, he'll will be the first name on the team sheet.
I think the consensus is a pretty obvious one to guess TBH. Nunez - Jota - Mo. With 5 very good or better forwards we are naturally going to rotate them to keep them fresh for 4 competitions. However for a cup final or key match that's the preferred choice of the vast majority I'd guess.
 
I think the consensus is a pretty obvious one to guess TBH. Nunez - Jota - Mo. With 5 very good or better forwards we are naturally going to rotate them to keep them fresh for 4 competitions. However for a cup final or key match that's the preferred choice of the vast majority I'd guess.
You're sure that Nunez is more effective than Diaz on the left?
 
It's not a case of making someone look better - even a donkey knows why using 'per 90 mins played' is better than using stats that include a 5 mins sub appearance equating to a full game (when 'games' are used). And it's why you use a minimum of X games (I used 15 x 90 mins) as obviously stats can be skewed by using a smaller sample size (De Bruyne has 3.13 GCA but only over 2.5 games) !

Yes I'm sure about the stats - you can check them yourself on Fbref. Just about the best stat database out there. I did query that myself but I guess it comes down to how they arrive at that GCA figure - though obviously it's the same across the board.

No I'm not cherry picking using only the Top 5 - it's because a) you have to go through them club by club and b) they are the most relevant. You're welcome to go there and pull up each club's player stats one by one if you wish.

Why would you not use all competitions? As for skewing well it probably makes all players look better, Villa's in the Conference or City's against minnows they hammer. Using only the PL I think Nunez's figures look even better because not many come close to his goals + assists (Mo. obviously), he's surely in the Top 10 (off you pop to check that out, I've done my bit).

I also disagree with your summation : we don't have a narrow attacking system and Nunez isn't necessarily at the apex, we have a very fluid front line and he's as often wide left, or even sometimes right, as he is through the centre. I also disagree with your statement that he's a central striker (at least not in the traditional sense that Haaland is) - I don't see him that way at all. I don't disagree that he could and should be scoring more goals though.

Again - I haven’t mentioned per game - you’re dragging that up - a goal is a goal, it doesn’t matter how many minutes played and not played.

What are you suggesting - that we ignore goals that someone scores when they come on with 5 minutes left?

What’s this bee in your bonnet about that anyway - I’ve haven’t mentioned averages or per game or minutes played - it doesn’t really matter they’re average of what’s already taken place and not a reliable way to forecast future results.

Interesting you pick Villa as your argument for including all comps - all Watkins assists and most of his goals and have come in the Premier League - 82% combined of his G+A.

For Nunez it’s 64% - which might suggest he does better against lesser opponents.

If you don’t think we’re narrow, the you haven’t been watching us. We’re notcalwsys narrow, but our widths doesn’t come primarily front our front line, who invert a lot. It’s been a common complaint on here.

Yes our forward line is fluid but Nunez has started in the centre and I say he’s at the apex because, increasingly, now he’s learnt to bend his runs better, he’s running along and in behind opposition CB’s and creating problems and space - it’s great to see a bit he is the more central target and the one who doesn’t come short as much as the others.

I agree he’s not a static down the middle player, his movement is really good of late.

We play a kind of fluid 2-2-2-3 with whichever FB isn’t inverting being the additional player getting up and down their side.
 
I was so relieved to see Nunez was on the bench today and not completely out injured. I guess that sums it up for me. I feel we are less threatening without him.
 
Ask any of our opponents who'd they'd prefer to play against. Every defender I've seen talk about his says he looks like a nightmare to play against. That surely tells the story.
 
Ask any of our opponents who'd they'd prefer to play against. Every defender I've seen talk about his says he looks like a nightmare to play against. That surely tells the story.
Or just ask any Pool fan who watches our games.

The stats don't lie, he's our most threatening and creative forward whose name isn't Mo Salah.
 
Should we just change this thread to be about Gakpo? He's the real donkey
It's increasingly looking like his good form on the back end of last season was a blip, doesn't it? He's fully turned back into the Lucas of forwards this season
 
It's increasingly looking like his good form on the back end of last season was a blip, doesn't it? He's fully turned back into the Lucas of forwards this season
His best form last season was as the false 9 and he hasn’t looked particularly good out wide

Surprised Klopp didn’t move him into the middle yesterday to help out the midfield which was swamped
 
He's proper shit. Even with his "decent" form last season, I struggled to see what his game was and what he's good at it.

He's just proper meh. The Lucas of forwards is a great summary. Proper lanky crab. Like one of those Japanese Spider Crabs. But they have more presence and personality. I can see now why United were after him. Because he's shit.
 
Yes, he’s having a very “meh” season so far, but I think it’s unfair to judge Gakpo without a settled position - he has nothing consistent to build upon as he’s always asked to fill in in different roles depending on who else is missing. When given a consistent run of games at false 9 last season, he was really good.
 
Big chances missed this season:

Haaland 23
Darwin 21
Watkins 16
Jackson 15
Isak 12

Only two players being talked about are Darwin and Jackson.
 
Big chances missed this season:

Haaland 23
Darwin 21
Watkins 16
Jackson 15
Isak 12

Only two players being talked about are Darwin and Jackson.
Not all big chances are created equal. Isak and Watkins are at small clubs and were bought for relatively small fees.
Haaland has scored a bazillion goals which gives him plenty of credit in the bank.
His side also won the treble last year and are favourites for all three this year too. Nobody complains when your team is winning games and trophies.
Jackson and Darwin haven’t won anything yet.
It’s not that hard to fathom.
 
Yeah, missing 20 chances only matters if you don't also score 20 other chances
 
Not all big chances are created equal. Isak and Watkins are at small clubs and were bought for relatively small fees.
Haaland has scored a bazillion goals which gives him plenty of credit in the bank.
His side also won the treble last year and are favourites for all three this year too. Nobody complains when your team is winning games and trophies.
Jackson and Darwin haven’t won anything yet.
It’s not that hard to fathom.

Newcastle paid 63 mill for Isak..
 
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