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The Cornerstone of Our Problems?

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I mentioned in the WBA Post Match Thread something about corners/set pieces & how it seemed our conversion rate was low despite us getting loads of corners.

Instead of waiting for @King Binny to help, I went looking myself.

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These are stats from last season.

We were bad. Almost the worst, if it weren't for Swansea. Not just at converting them, but even at creating chances. I highly doubt we're any better, we may well be worse this season.

Now, Chelsea were hitting 7%, & West Brom & West Ham 5%.

They're lower than I expected tbh, but they still make it clear that we're truly fucking awful at them, as if that wasn't obvious already!

This season we've taken more corners than any other side, 117. I cant find statistics to show many we've scored from, I can only remember one, but I have a shite memory.

Assuming my memory is right, if we'd have been as good as West Brom or West Ham were last season at scoring from them we'd have five more goals.

That doesn't sound like too many, but considering we've only scored twenty so far, that means we'd have added a further 25% to that tally, & it's hard to imagine it wouldn't mean more points!

Of course that's only half the problem. That's because we are truly, horrendously, bad at defending the fucking things. Feel free to look for statistics on how bad we are, cos I haven't time right now, but it wouldn't surprise me if we were the worst at preventing goals from corners or set pieces in this league.

That's almost all down to the joke of a keeper we have, remember how Reina used to plough through defenders & punch the ball half the length of the pitch when a cross or corner was whipped in?! Get someone who can do that & your players aren't gonna be shitting themselves every time the opposition get a set piece.
 
I remember Reina knocking out Riise when clearing a corner against TNS I think. Reina's response was "I called for it so he should have got out of the way."

I've said for years there is no point in us having a corner. We should just give them a goal kick. At least that stops the counter attack.
 
Scoring from corners are an obvious issue. Conceding from them is too.

It's all about the corners.

See I could have just written that, but I wanted to see how bad we were at them compared to other teams.

The answer is very, very bad, as those stats prove.

We could score 25% more goals this season by being good at scoring from corners based on statistics so far. That's fucking huge.
 
See I could have just written that, but I wanted to see how bad we were at them compared to other teams.

The answer is very, very bad, as those stats prove.

We could score 25% more goals this season by being good at scoring from corners based on statistics so far. That's fucking huge.

"Another Wasted Corner".

Twas ever thus.
 
It would help our conversion rate if we had someone who could take corners reliably well in the first place. Stevie improved in his later years but even he wasn't great at them for quite a while, nor has any other LFC player been (and that includes the current squad) for the last quarter-century at least.

As far as defending them goes, Mignolet seemed to have got his act together as last season went on, but unfortunately it hasn't lasted. Bogdan surely has to get his chance now. I'm less worried about the CBs individually than I was at times last season and it'll be interesting to see how they react to playing ahead of Bogdan instead of Mignolet for a spell.
 
It would help our conversion rate if we had someone who could take corners reliably well in the first place. Stevie improved in his later years but even he wasn't great at them for quite a while, nor has any other LFC player been (and that includes the current squad) for the last quarter-century at least.

As far as defending them goes, Mignolet seemed to have got his act together as last season went on, but unfortunately it hasn't lasted. Bogdan surely has to get his chance now. I'm less worried about the CBs individually than I was at times last season and it'll be interesting to see how they react to playing ahead of Bogdan instead of Mignolet for a spell.

I was thinking the same about our scoring rate also being partly down to thequality of the balls in. Was it Morrison and Brunt putting the crosses in at the weekend? Some of their freekicks and corners were excellent.

Bogdan needs to start a league game and Mignolet needs to know his place isn't safe.
 
Last season I was blathering on about our lack of prowess when we have corners, and we weren't much better than that the season before, Stevie's two in the last 2-3 matches inflating (doubling ?) the figure.

This is one of the reasons I thought Benteke would improve us in front of goal ... I simply can't fathom why that's not happening, the quality of the crosses is the only major variable because he can't have turned to shite overnight. Origi should be good in the heading dept too, he seems to have a bit abut him there.

I think Ibe might be our best corner taker - at least they are powerful not just floaters and they more often than not clear the first defender, Milner should be told to sit his ass down anytime he even looks at the corner post.
 
Last season I was blathering on about our lack of prowess when we have corners, and we weren't much better than that the season before, Stevie's two in the last 2-3 matches inflating (doubling ?) the figure.

This is one of the reasons I thought Benteke would improve us in front of goal ... I simply can't fathom why that's not happening, the quality of the crosses is the only major variable because he can't have turned to shite overnight. Origi should be good in the heading dept too, he seems to have a bit abut him there.

I think Ibe might be our best corner taker - at least they are powerful not just floaters and they more often than not clear the first defender, Milner should be told to sit his ass down anytime he even looks at the corner post.

It's weird. I know Carroll wasn't here for long, and was hardly ever fit, but he's the sort of player that should really score from a header from every corner. We just don't do corners.
 
It's weird. I know Carroll wasn't here for long, and was hardly ever fit, but he's the sort of player that should really score from a header from every corner. We just don't do corners.

Benteke too.

I mean he's a giant and built like a brickhouse.
 
We must be meaner and uglier defending corners and set pieces and the same when we get ones ourself.

All the time you will get away with it defending them and a few times the shit referees will allow a goal to stand after a clear foul like the second WBA goal yesterday. Just knock the player out if you need to do it.
 
Both players and fans shit one when we have a corner and have zero expectation when we get one. We should focus on getting near post flick ons. They create mayhem even and even if it doesn't result in a goal, the panic will unsettle the other side.
 
Scoring from corners is important but hardly the desisive factor. 5 goals over a season can be replaced....you can be a great team without being good at corners.

But our shit degending from corners leads to a lack of confidence....it is as if we can play whatever way we like but the opposition can easily level things with a couple corners or free kicks....that kinda feeling is hard to shake.

We were so much better in open play, bet wba created three goals from dead ball situations.
 
Ha nice title but I think our main problem is a lack of quality in front of goal.

Nobody's conversion rate is that sh*t hot for corners.
 
The post wasn't just about converting corners, it was about conceding from them too.

I was hoping someone would do the leg work & dig out the stats for us conceding against others in the league, but no one has been arsed.

If I get time later I may have a go.
 
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