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I thought cricketers were meant to be honest about stuff like that when the umpire calls it so wrong?!

He fucked up there though, you could clearly see broad had clipped it.
 
Ha ha brilliant! Broad was out by a country mile! The umpiring has been so shoddy in this test. Aleem Dar is usually so good as well. 😀
 
FoxForceFive said:
I thought cricketers were meant to be honest about stuff like that when the umpire calls it so wrong?!

He fucked up there though, you could clearly see broad had clipped it.
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Well I haven't seen a batsman walk in a long time. Also given the calamity that was the Trott dismissal England might feel that's a little payback.
 
FoxForceFive said:
I thought cricketers were meant to be honest about stuff like that when the umpire calls it so wrong?!.
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The situation is that some batsmen "walk" and some wait for the umpire's decision.

It would be nice if they could arrive at a principle either that everybody walks or everybody waits for the umpire to decide. I don't suppose that is possible in practice though.
 
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I think this has been England's day. This 100 partnership has been crucial.
 
I agree DM - That Bairstow review was dumb. It was obvious it was going a mile down leg side.
 
Another great days play, we could be in for a cracking series if it carries on like this.

Superb knock from Bell, he's often got the easy runs when we've been bossing the game but today he really stood up when we needed him.

You've got to love the Broad decision, he's basically got away with murder there. As a batsman you have to take the rough with the smooth, so I've got no issues with him standing his ground. I noticed that Clarke had a lot to say when it was given not out, maybe he needs to remember his own actions when he was in a similar position during the last ashes series in oz.

England and Wales are looking good as it stands, if we can get another 50 or so runs you'd have to say that the test looks all but done and dusted.
 
For many years, the Australian team policy has been to wait for the umpire's decision. When Adam Gilchrist started "walking" they were shocked!
 
Portly said:
For many years, the Australian team policy has been to wait for the umpire's decision. When Adam Gilchrist started "walking" they were shocked!
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Unless you went back donkeys years I doubt you could find more than 5 players who consistently walked when they knew they were out. I'd be fuming if one of our batsman walked even if it was obvious like todays.

I remember the story about when Viv Richards knicked one and was given not out from a Botham delivery.

Botham in disbelief asked Richards "where did it hit you?"
Richards: "On my arm"
Botham: "Show me the bruise then"
Richards: "We black men don't bruise beefy"
 
I tried to find an audio clip to post, but couldn't unfortunately. This radio masterpiece fractures me every time I do manage to hear it. 😀
 
FoxForceFive said:
Btw if anyone wants me to ask my stupid cricket questions elsewhere I'll create a separate thread!
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Not at all Jon - This thread is perfect. Following test cricket is great. I'm happy you are getting into it proper. You are right about momentum. The amount of batting collapses that can happen is uncanny. The fact that it's a game played over 5 days is (imo) what makes it so great. A lot of it is all about mental strength and the ability to play the game depending on the conditions. The pitch, weather, bowling attack etc all play a part but strangely even then it has a funny way of surprising you. Some people might argue this point but at times watching cricket is the most thrilling sport ever. I love cricket almost as much I love watching football. A top tip from me is listen to TMS and mute the TV. There is a small lag but it's worth it. Blowers and Aggers are gods amongst men! 🙂
 
Red Astaire said:
Not at all Jon - This thread is perfect. Following test cricket is great. I'm happy you are getting into it proper. You are right about momentum. The amount of batting collapses that can happen is uncanny. The fact that it's a game played over 5 days is (imo) what makes it so great. A lot of it is all about mental strength and the ability to play the game depending on the conditions. The pitch, weather, bowling attack etc all play a part but strangely even then it has a funny way of surprising you. Some people might argue this point but at times watching cricket is the most thrilling sport ever. I love cricket almost as much I love watching football. A top tip from me is listen to TMS and mute the TV. There is a small lag but it's worth it. Blowers and Aggers are gods amongst men! 🙂
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Did that this afternoon, I play the stream from my dab radio, into the pc, then run radio delay to sync the sound to match the tv, as the pc/satellite etc all plays through the same av system it's quite easy. Takes a few mins of playing to get it perfect but works a treat.

Do it for the 3pm kick offs during the season so I'm practised at it!
 
I also enjoy listening to Test Match Special. Boycott's egotistical rants are hugely entertaining. I can't help finding Jonathan Agnew a bit of a twerp though. This evening he was emoting over Broad's failure to walk, lamenting the declining spirit of the game etc. etc. I felt this was well OTT considering that the majority of cricketers don't do it. The legendary W.G. Grace once refused to walk even after being given out by the umpire, pointing out that the crowd had paid to see him bat.

When I'm watching on TV I am quite happy to listen to the Sky Sports commentary, though. Except when it's Nick Knight!
 
Portly said:
For many years, the Australian team policy has been to wait for the umpire's decision. When Adam Gilchrist started "walking" they were shocked!
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That's simply not true Portly. Hussey amongst others always walked. Ponting walked, Langer walked.

We're simply not talking about a 'did I/didn't I' knick here. He got half the fucking ball on the way through. He knew full well what he'd done, yet insisted on standing there like a prized fucker. Yes, Dar should have given it but Broad should have walked, and whilst there's no rule to say he should, there's a history of the game that says he should.

Broad's a fucking dick, and has got previous here too.
 
doctor_mac said:
It has deffo been England's day. Clarke only has himself to blame for wasting reviews, the dick.
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Haddin told him to call the Bairstow one, and the bell one looked out for all money. Even the commentators thought he was leg-before.
 
Cricket truly epitomises the old saying, "Only mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun!"

Well the modern saying should be "Only mad dogs, cricket players and fans go out in the midday sun!"
 
Ryan said:
That's simply not true Portly. Hussey amongst others always walked. Ponting walked, Langer walked.

We're simply not talking about a 'did I/didn't I' knick here. He got half the fucking ball on the way through. He knew full well what he'd done, yet insisted on standing there like a prized fucker. Yes, Dar should have given it but Broad should have walked, and whilst there's no rule to say he should, there's a history of the game that says he should.

Broad's a fucking dick, and has got previous here too.
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:stop: Swings in roundabouts.. England should of been running away with this anyway.. Agar was stumped on 6 runs and should of been out... Did he walk away .. No he went on to make an incredible innings, which at that point pretty much changed the match. Then their is the Trott dismissal that should never of been. We should of been winning this much earlier, but bad decisions have arguably held us back.. :sour:
 
It was interesting listening to both talkshite, r5 commentators & the fans they asked.

Every single Aussie they asked scoffed/laughed at the idea that he should have walked. Every one, fan & commentator, most added that they didn't believe their players would walk & the same phrase was used over & over 'it's the umpires job to call players out'.

As for the English, it was a small majority thought he should have walked, saying the spirit of the game is more important than any result, the rest said that there's no way any of the aussies would have walked so why should we.
 
The fact he stood there looking at the umpire isn't merely waiting for the call, it's an act which he fully knows will be taken into account in the decision because of the trust and spirit the game is played in.
 
Ryan said:
Haddin told him to call the Bairstow one, and the bell one looked out for all money. Even the commentators thought he was leg-before.
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The technology is there to get rid of the absolute stinker of a decision. The Bell one looked a decent shout, but was by no means plum. It was a chancey review. That's fine but Clarke needed to keep one up his sleeve. He should have told Haddin no. That's his responsibility as captain.
 
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Sachin Tendulkar walking is a stark contrast to Ricky Ponting



A day after Ricky Ponting refused to walk, Sachin Tendulkar did not let the fact that he was playing his 450th one-day international (ODI) affect his decision-making and gracefully conceded he was out in the first over against the West Indies.
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Tendulkar walked after getting the thinnest of edges and was caught behind for just two off the sixth ball of his milestone ODI game at the World Cup today.
His sporting decision silenced a boisterous crowd at a packed MA Chidambaram Stadium who were hoping India's favourite batsman might make an incredible 100th international century in the Group B match.

Instead, the world's most celebrated player glanced round to check wicketkeeper Devon Thomas had held onto the edge off Ravi Rampaul's final delivery of the first over, and once he was satisfied he headed off.
Steve Davis, the umpire, had ruled Tendulkar not out, but that did not stop Tendulkar from walking off after admitting he had edged the ball.
Yesterday, in direct contrast, Ponting, the Australia captain, refused to walk despite clearly getting an edge to the wicketkeeper in a Group A game against Pakistan. He later admitted he knew he was out, but always waited for the umpire's decision. Ponting's unsporting behaviour sparked angry confrontations between Pakistan's fielders and the Australian batsmen.
Everyone except umpire Marais Erasmus realised Ponting had been caught behind, but the Tasmanian would not walk unless Erasmus raised his finger.
"There were no doubts about the nick," said a brazen Ponting. "I knew I hit it, but as always I wait for the umpire to give me out. That's the way I've always played the game."



 
Langer only ever walked when it suited him as well.

I can even recall times when Hussey never walked although it was clear to all that he was out.
 
Hmm everyone is like that...they will don't the right thing and expect others to download the right thing when it suits them.. Strauss and Flower knocked on Dhonis's door to let Bell bat after he was given out by the umpire. They wanted to uphold the spirit of the game then....

No body is a true gentleman in today's sports...
 
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