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Suarez > Torres (at his peak)

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RedStar said:
Torres for me, Suarez has taken a year and a half to get going, Torres was a monster from day one
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Torres was only a monster for about a season and a half though, Suarez could keep this going for much longer.

I don't think Suarez will have a season like Torres' debut but he'll have a lot more very good seasons than Torres.
 
hmmmmm1 said:
Difficult question to ask as there are whole load of different circumstances

However I do prefer Suarez, love watching this guy play.

Fights for every ball like its his last, a born winner.
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Not only are there different circumstances, the two players are very different as well - so much so that I'm not entirely sure the comparison actually means much. FWIW though, my vote would be for Suarez. Even in his deadliest form Torres needed a particular kind of service to feed on. Suarez has an ability to make something out of nothing which Torres has never shown.
 
Yeap, Suarez is a much more complete footballer than Suarez. Torres though is (was?) a more clinical goalscorer.
 
Rosco said:
Torres was only a monster for about a season and a half though, Suarez could keep this going for much longer.

I don't think Suarez will have a season like Torres' debut but he'll have a lot more very good seasons than Torres.
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This. Plus Torres was an out an out striker whereas Suarez is a lot more creative and scores !
 
Rosco said:
Torres was only a monster for about a season and a half though, Suarez could keep this going for much longer.

I don't think Suarez will have a season like Torres' debut but he'll have a lot more very good seasons than Torres.
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So surely its worth saying that Suarez has really only had a good 6 months so far in his 2 years with us, and until he plays like this for 2 seasons then Torres was the better player
 
No. You can say that Torres' contribution to LFC has been the greater so far, but the comparison between the skills the two of them have got is pretty clear IMO, both from what Suarez has done for us and from his career overall.
 
To be fair, the original question included, "With the season he (Suarez) is having....."

Which is why Suarez wins it hands down for me.
 
Mors said:
Suarez for me. My reasoning being, that at his peak, Torres was a goal scoring beast, clinical. But when Suarez is at his peak, he can score the goals, AND create his own, without supply or input from others. Torres couldn't do that. A lot of Torres success was tied to the understanding he had with Gerrard who was supplying it on a plate for him. Suarez can take a ball by their corner flag, skin the whole defence and put the ball in. That's not Torres' game.
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Rubbish, Torres created a lot of goals on his own. Chelsea, Blackburn, Marseille off the top of my head, to suggest Torres just scored goals that other put on a plate for him is nonsense. Torres in those 18-24months was one of the best players I have ever seen, only Messi and Ronaldo have eclipsed him in the last five years in my eyes.
 
"Put on a plate" might be pushing it a bit, but he did need a particular kind of service in order to get those chances in the first place. He made the most of them, granted, but there's no way he created those chances out of nothing the way Suarez can.
 
I would take Torres at his peak, because the way he used to play combined with his clinical finishing took points off our rivals and put us in contention for the title.

Suarez is by far more talented and effective than Torres even in his wet dreams. But to win a title, it's really irrelevant that you are effective against Norwich City. What counts is how good you are at stealing points off the scum and Chelsea. Suarez hasn't been able to do that yet, apart from the odd game here and there. Torres terrified those teams in every game during those couple of seasons. Cunt.
 
Mystic said:
Rubbish, Torres created a lot of goals on his own. Chelsea, Blackburn, Marseille off the top of my head, to suggest Torres just scored goals that other put on a plate for him is nonsense. Torres in those 18-24months was one of the best players I have ever seen, only Messi and Ronaldo have eclipsed him in the last five years in my eyes.
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Errr, he created a few of his own, most were provided. Compare that to how many Suarez creates for himself from nothing. Torres is an out and out striker, he needs supply to thrive off, Suarez does not.
Everyone's opinion is different, but Torres is/was nowhere near the waiter, let alone messi. For me.
 
Its a bit revisionist to cast Torres as a tap in merchant now that he has moved on, I thought he was the most complete striker in Europe at his peak. Sure he could get the 6 yard box goals, but he was also a fantastic header of a ball, capable of beating his opponent with pace or skill and he scored all sorts of goals. Suarez for me is not at that level, yet, he needs to become more clinical if hes going to get to that level, Suarez is better at going it alone but its also about being part of a team, and Torres in the early part of his career here made us tick, his understanding with Alonso and Gerrard in particular was near telepathic
 
dantes said:
I would take Torres at his peak, because the way he used to play combined with his clinical finishing took points off our rivals and put us in contention for the title.

Suarez is by far more talented and effective than Torres even in his wet dreams. But to win a title, it's really irrelevant that you are effective against Norwich City. What counts is how good you are at stealing points off the scum and Chelsea. Suarez hasn't been able to do that yet, apart from the odd game here and there. Torres terrified those teams in every game during those couple of seasons. Cunt.
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Wouldn't disagree with that as far as it goes, but it has more to do with the team Torres spearheaded as opposed to the one Suarez has had to carry so far. Suarez ripped ManUre a new one practically on his arrival here, and we all know what happened after that.
 
RedStar said:
Its a bit revisionist to cast Torres as a tap in merchant now that he has moved on, I thought he was the most complete striker in Europe at his peak. Sure he could get the 6 yard box goals, but he was also a fantastic header of a ball, capable of beating his opponent with pace or skill and he scored all sorts of goals. Suarez for me is not at that level, yet, he needs to become more clinical if hes going to get to that level, Suarez is better at going it alone but its also about being part of a team, and Torres in the early part of his career here made us tick, his understanding with Alonso and Gerrard in particular was near telepathic
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Sorry but this is just wrong in numerous ways. First of all nobody's casting Torres as a tap-in merchant only. Secondly there's more to such judgments than goal tally alone (not that Suarez has exactly been found wanting in that respect this season). Lastly the idea that it was Torres who "made us tick" stands the truth on its head.
 
Mors said:
Suarez for me. My reasoning being, that at his peak, Torres was a goal scoring beast, clinical. But when Suarez is at his peak, he can score the goals, AND create his own, without supply or input from others. Torres couldn't do that. A lot of Torres success was tied to the understanding he had with Gerrard who was supplying it on a plate for him. Suarez can take a ball by their corner flag, skin the whole defence and put the ball in. That's not Torres' game.
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LMAO.


View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ0gMvbd3Pk


Tell me how often gerrard's name was mentioned, let alone "supplying it on a plate"!
 
justdoit said:
LMAO.

Tell me how often gerrard's name was mentioned, let alone "supplying it on a plate"!
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Tbh, it seems that well over 50% of his goals were created by Kuyt or Gerrard.

I didn't realize how many quality passes Yossi made ...

That Torres lad was great.
 
He had a purple patch in the season we came 2nd where he just seemed to be bossing every defence we played in the big games Utd Madrid Chelsea. He was unstoppable at that point, that goal against Blackburn was fucking insane. How many strikers would even attempt that shot, let alone have the technique to pull it off
 
Mors said:
Errr, he created a few of his own, most were provided. Compare that to how many Suarez creates for himself from nothing. Torres is an out and out striker, he needs supply to thrive off, Suarez does not.
Everyone's opinion is different, but Torres is/was nowhere near the waiter, let alone messi. For me.
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Absolute bollocks. Look at that video posted, I only watched the first three minutes and half of all the goals where made by Torres out of nothing.
 
LeTallecWiz said:
Tbh, it seems that well over 50% of his goals were created by Kuyt or Gerrard.

I didn't realize how many quality passes Yossi made ...

That Torres lad was great.
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I wouldn't use the term created, a lot of the time there was a good through ball, but Torres still had it all to do to create a chance.
 
themn said:
You did a pretty good impression of someone who didn't care at the time.

"Empty feeling" was what you said you had.

I don't understand the second sentence.

I'm not being snarky, by the way.

*smilie smilie ting*
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Probably empty feeling (don't remember saying that) because we were playing absolutely shite football. Only Bellamy and suarez seemed to inject any fire in to us.

I hated watching us under Kenny (excluding the initial 6 months).
 
Torres obviously scored a fair few off his own back, because now he's surrounded by a greater depth of talent yet looks Shute.
 
Fabio said:
Probably empty feeling (don't remember saying that) because we were playing absolutely shite football. Only Bellamy and suarez seemed to inject any fire in to us.

I hated watching us under Kenny (excluding the initial 6 months).
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Well, you did say it.

You went to Wembley and you were being a right grumpy Flump.

(You weren't the only one).

Aaaaaanyway.......!
 
themn said:
Well, you did say it.

You went to Wembley and you were being a right grumpy Flump.

(You weren't the only one).

Aaaaaanyway.......!
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Well we played shite in our first final for years! Grumpiness was allowed!
 
Fabio said:
Torres obviously scored a fair few off his own back, because now he's surrounded by a greater depth of talent yet looks Shute.
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I should have thought of Torres in my question above. But then again, it could be that Torres is past his peak.
 
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