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Stoke (A) Last game of the season (thank God for that)

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I forgot it was on, didn't watch it, woke up this morning, checked the internet and saw that score and laughed.

I shouldn't laugh I guess. Neville was right at the weekend; the football world has left us behind, or we've left ourselves behind I guess. Plenty of ire towards Rodgers, and rightly so - he's a goner after that. I thought he'd have stayed actually, thought they'd give him one more year, but he's gone now and he must not it too.

But where does that get us? I don't doubt we need a new manager, but we need a new set of owners, new CEO, new stadium, new team, new fucking everything. We need the last 25 years back really. The days of us as a power European club are gone. I'd take Rafa back just to remind myself what it's like to be a feared side in Europe. It'd be like putting lipstick on a pig with him back really.

As we say every year... It's the hope that kills.
 
Yeah, this whole thing about players not celebrating when they score against their old clubs is ridiculous.

Not celebrating is more offensive to their current fans.


Well I quite like it when they don't, but Crouch was kicked out and Adam was and is treated like shit, so why they're supposed to run off looking apologetic is a mystery.
 
Well I quite like it when they don't, but Crouch was kicked out and Adam was and is treated like shit, so why they're supposed to run off looking apologetic is a mystery.

Yeah I agree with that. Personally I don't give a shit whether players celebrate a goal against their old club or not. It's up to them. But in this instance I think both were well entitled to celebrate.
 
I forgot it was on, didn't watch it, woke up this morning, checked the internet and saw that score and laughed.

I shouldn't laugh I guess. Neville was right at the weekend; the football world has left us behind, or we've left ourselves behind I guess. Plenty of ire towards Rodgers, and rightly so - he's a goner after that. I thought he'd have stayed actually, thought they'd give him one more year, but he's gone now and he must not it too.

But where does that get us? I don't doubt we need a new manager, but we need a new set of owners, new CEO, new stadium, new team, new fucking everything. We need the last 25 years back really. The days of us as a power European club are gone. I'd take Rafa back just to remind myself what it's like to be a feared side in Europe. It'd be like putting lipstick on a pig with him back really.

As we say every year... It's the hope that kills.

It can be done. Look at Juve. Relegated in 2006, came back in 2008. In 2009, they got walloped by Fulham 4-1. We went ahead and appointed Fulhams manager. They made some very astute purchases, good scouting, proper mix of youth and experience and changed managers till they got it right. They did not depend on the vision of a promising manager or build towards a promising future or any BS. They have had 5 managers since 2010. So much for how stability is important for a club to progress. If a manager doesn't work out, fire him and move forward. Also managed to build a new stadium during this time.
 
Juve are a good example. Just shows the importance of a great Dof and a club with the right strategy and people in key positions.
They havent spent a fortune either.
 
Juve are a good example. Just shows the importance of a great Dof and a club with the right strategy and people in key positions.
They havent spent a fortune either.

And playing in a less competetive league where you get into the CL places easier probably helps too.
 
I don't think Juve are a good example. It's much easier to convince players to come when you can offer a league title and CL every year. We can't offer anything comparable to that.
 
I don't think Juve are a good example. It's much easier to convince players to come when you can offer a league title and CL every year. We can't offer anything comparable to that.

They can that now, not when they were rebuilding.

The example with Juve is a great Dof signing players that fit the managers plans and tactics.
We could have gotten plenty of those players imho.
 
The example with Juve is a great Dof signing players that fit the managers plans and tactics.
We could have gotten plenty of those players imho.


In that sense they are, but I maintain that even during the rebuilding period Juve was a pretty safe bet for a) CL and b) honours in a very short space of time.

Every player joining us will know it'll be an absolute dogfight to get CL every single year nevermind the league.
 
Oh please. We still finished 6th despite a very poor season (but one in which any sustained form would have seen us in 4th), have plenty of talent, a stadium upgrade, great support, bags of money (compared to most) etc etc.

What we need is a football manager and backroom staff that know what they are doing and can keep players happy and recruit properly. Even we will get it right sooner or later, especially if we look for the best candidate rather than interims, blazers, trainees etc.

Anybody would think we were in danger of relegation.
 
Oh please. We still finished 6th despite a very poor season (but one in which any sustained form would have seen us in 4th), have plenty of talent, a stadium upgrade, great support, bags of money (compared to most) etc etc.

What we need is a football manager and backroom staff that know what they are doing and can keep players happy and recruit properly. Even we will get it right sooner or later, especially if we look for the best candidate rather than interims, blazers, trainees etc.

Anybody would think we were in danger of relegation.
Really?

And as for the "sooner or later" thing, we've been saying that for the past 25 years. We need to sell big and buy better. And we need a manager, coaches and backroom staff that know how to get the best out of each and every player. Because right now we're a long fucking way off that.
 
Really?

And as for the "sooner or later" thing, we've been saying that for the past 25 years. We need to sell big and buy better. And we need a manager, coaches and backroom staff that know how to get the best out of each and every player. Because right now we're a long fucking way off that.


Sturridge, Sterling, Coutinho, Ibe, Can... plenty.

We had a great manager and replaced him because he kept complaining. Complaints that we ignored.

Our management don't know how to run a club that's why we keep compounding the situation.

Get a top manager who knows how to organize and then get out of his way.
 
Sturridge, Sterling, Coutinho, Ibe, Can... plenty.

We had a great manager and replaced him because he kept complaining. Complaints that we ignored.

Our management don't know how to run a club that's why we keep compounding the situation.

Get a top manager who knows how to organize and then get out of his way.
Sturridge: injured too much and can't be relied on
Sterling: not gonna be here
Coutinho: Agreed but how long will his patience last?
Ibe: looks decent but far too early to tell
Can: hasn't exactly filled me wth awe tbh

I agree with your last piece though. If we can get a top manager in and give whatever the fuck he wants and don't interfere with his transfer plans we could be on a winner.
 
Sturridge: injured too much and can't be relied on
Sterling: not gonna be here
Coutinho: Agreed but how long will his patience last?
Ibe: looks decent but far too early to tell
Can: hasn't exactly filled me wth awe tbh

I agree with your last piece though. If we can get a top manager in and give whatever the fuck he wants and don't interfere with his transfer plans we could be on a winner.


In my opinion I can see why disappointment is the order of the day but outright pessimism isn't justified. We need better organization rather than changing all the players. There's enough to work on without another batch of newbies.
 
In my opinion I can see why disappointment is the order of the day but outright pessimism isn't justified. We need better organization rather than changing all the players. There's enough to work on without another batch of newbies.
It's a bit hard not to be pessimistic when you get beaten at home by crystal palace and then follow that up with a complete cunting against Stoke.

Even the players you name, let's say we hang on to them. We still need a lot of strengthening in all areas on the pitch, regardless of what happens in the management end of things.
 
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