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Steaua Bucherest v Liverpool

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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=43012.msg1228626#msg1228626 date=1291468099]
Fuck off. The entertainment business my ringpiece. We're about winning.

Which is why everyone wants to win a shit game 1-0 rather than see a 3-3 draw.
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We are sadly heading into the direction were a 3-3 draw will be just as good as a 1-0 win, because it will only decide if we end up 9th or 13th in the table. A poor shitty hard earned 1-0 victory is only inspiring when it can lead to something. When there is still a nerve. When the pride and title is there to be retained. It is not inspiring when you know that a 1-0 win at home will be followed by two shit results away. Then it doesnt matter to much more does it?
 
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=43012.msg1228632#msg1228632 date=1291468663]
We are sadly heading into the direction were a 3-3 draw will be just as good as a 1-0 win, because it will only decide if we end up 9th or 13th in the table. A poor shitty hard earned 1-0 victory is only inspiring when it can lead to something. When there is still a nerve. When the pride and title is there to be retained. It is not inspiring when you know that a 1-0 win at home will be followed by two shit results away. Then it doesnt matter to much more does it?
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When you support a football club you have to support it through the good times and the bad. When they are losing, you have to hope they can draw, and when they are drawing you have to hope they can get a win. It's quite simple really. If you don't care about the results simply because you don't give much for our chances of winning anything, I don't know why you bother supporting Liverpool.

Why don't you support Man United or Chelsea??
 
[quote author=Portly link=topic=43012.msg1228642#msg1228642 date=1291472291]
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=43012.msg1228632#msg1228632 date=1291468663]
We are sadly heading into the direction were a 3-3 draw will be just as good as a 1-0 win, because it will only decide if we end up 9th or 13th in the table. A poor shitty hard earned 1-0 victory is only inspiring when it can lead to something. When there is still a nerve. When the pride and title is there to be retained. It is not inspiring when you know that a 1-0 win at home will be followed by two shit results away. Then it doesnt matter to much more does it?
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When you support a football club you have to support it through the good times and the bad. When they are losing, you have to hope they can draw, and when they are drawing you have to hope they can get a win. It's quite simple really. If you don't care about the results simply because you don't give much for our chances of winning anything, I don't know why you bother supporting Liverpool.

Why don't you support Man United or Chelsea??
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you really want to go into that one?

Why do I bother to support Liverpool? I have supported Liverpool for more than 30 years. I really care for the club. I really identify with the club. And I am extremelly grateful for all the magic moments and passionate minutes it has given me... I have allways and stille are proud of my club.

But there must be a place for asking genuine question also. I.e. who are the Liverpool I love and identify myself with? is it some moneymaking piece of business owned by American cowboys who never saw a football game before they bought themselves a club in the worlds most popular sport? Is it any player who takes on the red shirt and represent us? Is it every man that dictates how we are to play our games? Truly I cant identify myself with all of these no. And the thing is that i had my, small yes but still my own, part of Liverpool before any of those came. And for this club to survive and mean something they are depending on people like me, and probably you also, being there after they dissapear.

So ask yourself, what is your Liverpool. Why do you bother? Are you allowed to be frustrated about this club? Is this club worth your ups and downs? What makes it worth it?

We have flushed out our pride long time ago. We are a merchandise that can be bought and sold with no real impact on our own destiny. If we ask questions we are illojal, and could as well support Manchester United or Chelsea. Why them by the way? Both clubs are überdisgusting to me, and I hope they go down. But not because we are their bitter rival, cause we arent at the moment. More because they reperesent most of things I cant stand. Overpaid assholes without dignity that have their headless fans looking away when ever they need them too, and have them oversalute them when they need that too. Take Nani as a cream example. My manu supporting friends will easily keep their mouth shut over his idiotic diving, abysmal body language and his disrespectful "I am a world beater" if he scores them a few goals. Bebratov is hailed as "Player of the season" after a few games into his 3rd season after forcing through a move from spurs in a disgusting way. Forget the two previous seasons after crushing their bank. And now 3 months later he has hardly been mentioned by them, just hushed down. And then he scores 5 in a game and is again a"the best striker in the world". That kind of shallow piss lojalty to him is beyond my belief. That shows that football is not about anything more than what you are able to sell to a headless crowd that follow you whatever you do. If I had supported Man U my ability to identify with my club had gone a decade ago. It is not through or honest at all. It is a puppet theatre, where the prawn eating fans have no clue what they actually witness.... And where the club make more money for evey inch they manage to distance themselves from their fan.
 
You have weird and wrong logic, Insig.

Winning comes first. Everything else is secondary.

This is pretty obvious to anyone who has supported the club for thirty years.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=43012.msg1228651#msg1228651 date=1291475659]
You have weird and wrong logic, Insig.

Winning comes first. Everything else is secondary.

This is pretty obvious to anyone who has supported the club for thirty years.
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Well, I can sit down and wish we are winning in one hand, and poo in the other, and then we can see what I have most of?

This club should be about winning. I agree there. It is five years since that magic night in Istanbul, and we won the FA cup the year after. And they both were in style. Biggest final ever in Europe and the United victory the year after was a yawn compared. That is also a little sweet isnt it?? 😉

But this is after all 5 years ago. And why are we discussing winning now? We are not near any wins. We are the new Fulham, nice steared by the safe hands of the last Fulham manager, and they won fuck all themselves.

So in my weird world there are ways to go. And we are going the uninspiring wrong one. No close to winning. Not close to dare to be different. Not brave. Not best. Not the most dignified one. Just on route to be a indifferent nobody. We are declining, and we seem happy with the fact that we are not declining that fast. It irritates me. Because there is a lot of things we could be much much better at, but we are held for ransom by a bunch of people with no real attachements to the club.



After the abysmal chairman, the manger and all the greedy players had left Leeds United, they still had the fabs left to carry them slowly upwards. Those fans who where there before the fall down, and still are there after.
 
So you're saying it'd have been better if we'd sent our best players to Romania and told them to trounce them 5 -nil?

Your lamentations about Liverpool are a bit late; we've been a joke for a while now.

We have a weak squad, a poor manager, and most of our finances are being drained by a bunch of mainly crappy players.

That's life, and it'll take a while to change that.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=43012.msg1228662#msg1228662 date=1291479283]
So you're saying it'd have been better if we'd sent our best players to Romania and told them to trounce them 5 -nil?

Your lamentations about Liverpool are a bit late; we've been a joke for a while now.

We have a weak squad, a poor manager, and most of our finances are being drained by a bunch of mainly crappy players.

That's life, and it'll take a while to change that.
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I guess your right...

But my wishes for Rumania, or the general situation for that matter, is that we dared to be different. That we were brave enough to stand up and fight. That the teams that should beat us had to be smart and outmaster us, and we could clap them off in some respect for their effort.

But we are not there. We are not brave at all. We are put in the "safe hands" of a mumbling coward who lives in his glourious past with Halmstad and ôrebro before he made a name for himself with Neuchatel Xamax. He havent got a clue what this club is about.. And we are held ransom over this. We want to be brave and fight for ourselves but instead we are a fucking joke.

But hey, when we have fallen deep enough and Torres, Reina and Hodgson all are history we might find a way back. And you and me will still be here rembering al the golden moments and dreaming of them again while we are chasing number 19 🙂
 
Wow. That's quite a meandering rant, my friend. And though I get the romantic notion you're setting forth, the (unfortunate) reality is that it's a nieve pipe-dream.

We're not what we once were, and truth be told, even when we were, we often set out go grind out the necessary result, particularly on European trips. You've been watching for 30 years? Remember our away games under Bob and then Joe and even Kenny at times..? Not 100% swashbuckling poetry, was it? No club sets out with a formation that needlessly risks a loss when all they require is a draw. Every club would rest it's stars in our situation, with our spine already seriously depleted and far more important games to come.

There's plenty to throw at Roy already without moaning that the team he sent out on Thursday did EXACTLY what it needed to do. Their goal shouldn't even have stood, ffs! If it hadn't would you then complain that 1-0 wasn't enough..? Did you watch the 1981 European Cup final, I wonder? If so, were you complaing afterwards that we only did enough, and that we didn't set out to win 5-0? Our (glorious) past is chocker with teams sent out to only do enough... And titles and trophies often followed as a result of this.

You talk about the huge majority of us preferring 4th place over winning this UEFA cup..? You wouldn't? Ask yourself this: What's more important to the future of LFC, both short and long term? Winning the European Also-Ran competition or getting back in among the big boys? You know what the answer is...

I respect your passion, but I find it misplaced... If you want entertainment, watch a movie. I'll take a drab, boring 1-0 win or (or even 1-1 if it acomplishes our goals) anyday.

Genuine question: Would you prefer a season of 3-3 United 95 type games where we end up 7th, or a bunch of 1-0 v Bolton a few weeks ago games, and we finish 4th?
 
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=43012.msg1228700#msg1228700 date=1291487322]
Wow. That's quite a meandering rant, my friend. And though I get the romantic notion you're setting forth, the (unfortunate) reality is that it's a nieve pipe-dream.

We're not what we once were, and truth be told, even when we were, we often set out go grind out the necessary result, particularly on European trips. You've been watching for 30 years? Remember our away games under Bob and then Joe and even Kenny at times..? Not 100% swashbuckling poetry, was it? No club sets out with a formation that needlessly risks a loss when all they require is a draw. Every club would rest it's stars in our situation, with our spine already seriously depleted and far more important games to come.

There's plenty to throw at Roy already without moaning that the team he sent out on Thursday did EXACTLY what it needed to do. Their goal shouldn't even have stood, ffs! If it hadn't would you then complain that 1-0 wasn't enough..? Did you watch the 1981 European Cup final, I wonder? If so, were you complaing afterwards that we only did enough, and that we didn't set out to win 5-0? Our (glorious) past is chocker with teams sent out to only do enough... And titles and trophies often followed as a result of this.

You talk about the huge majority of us preferring 4th place over winning this UEFA cup..? You wouldn't? Ask yourself this: What's more important to the future of LFC, both short and long term? Winning the European Also-Ran competition or getting back in among the big boys? You know what the answer is...
I respect your passion, but I find it misplaced... If you want entertainment, watch a movie. I'll take a drab, boring 1-0 win or (or even 1-1 if it acomplishes our goals) anyday.

Genuine question: Would you prefer a season of 3-3 United 95 type games where we end up 7th, or a bunch of 1-0 v Bolton a few weeks ago games, and we finish 4th?
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I'm not sure the players would see it this way. I suspect that a televised European Final and a medal would be looked on much more favourably than the lovely warm feeling you'd get from finishing fourth on occasion. In retirement you'd want to see trophies in your cabinet, no?
 
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=43012.msg1228702#msg1228702 date=1291488866]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=43012.msg1228700#msg1228700 date=1291487322]
Wow. That's quite a meandering rant, my friend. And though I get the romantic notion you're setting forth, the (unfortunate) reality is that it's a nieve pipe-dream.

We're not what we once were, and truth be told, even when we were, we often set out go grind out the necessary result, particularly on European trips. You've been watching for 30 years? Remember our away games under Bob and then Joe and even Kenny at times..? Not 100% swashbuckling poetry, was it? No club sets out with a formation that needlessly risks a loss when all they require is a draw. Every club would rest it's stars in our situation, with our spine already seriously depleted and far more important games to come.

There's plenty to throw at Roy already without moaning that the team he sent out on Thursday did EXACTLY what it needed to do. Their goal shouldn't even have stood, ffs! If it hadn't would you then complain that 1-0 wasn't enough..? Did you watch the 1981 European Cup final, I wonder? If so, were you complaing afterwards that we only did enough, and that we didn't set out to win 5-0? Our (glorious) past is chocker with teams sent out to only do enough... And titles and trophies often followed as a result of this.

You talk about the huge majority of us preferring 4th place over winning this UEFA cup..? You wouldn't? Ask yourself this: What's more important to the future of LFC, both short and long term? Winning the European Also-Ran competition or getting back in among the big boys? You know what the answer is...
I respect your passion, but I find it misplaced... If you want entertainment, watch a movie. I'll take a drab, boring 1-0 win or (or even 1-1 if it acomplishes our goals) anyday.

Genuine question: Would you prefer a season of 3-3 United 95 type games where we end up 7th, or a bunch of 1-0 v Bolton a few weeks ago games, and we finish 4th?
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I'm not sure the players would see it this way. I suspect that a televised European Final and a medal would be looked on much more favourably than the lovely warm feeling you'd get from finishing fourth on occasion. In retirement you'd want to see trophies in your cabinet, no?
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Interesting point.

I would hope that, like us, they see that making next season's European Cup is more important than parading the Milk Cup around Wembley. Both would be preferable, of course, but I'd hope they could sacrfice lesser personal glory today for the opportunity to play for the one that REALLY matters tomorrow.

But, I can certainly see your point - I hope they'd not have such regrets until after their careers are over...
 
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