We'd just lost to Fucking West Brom and Swansea after an 18 game win streak with no VVD, I think ontop of the aforementioned reasoning, Klopp and co are well within their right to reset VVD's start to life at the club.
So Van Dijk isn't fit
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I'll type this as slowly as i can for you.
Van Dijk had an injury that the medical experts say gives him a 50/50 chance of returning to top form.
Over a year after the injury he still isn't nesr top form or full fitness.
I expected he wouldn't be great straight away. Thats not what i'm being critical of.
Making him the most expensive defender in the world when he might be an above average defender at best is what i'm critical of.
By 'medical experts', do you mean you? Or actual medical experts?
Published & peer reviewed articles by medical experts
Linkies?
If you miss over half a season with a serious ankle injury, return to the team, and then get dropped again because your form has been so poor, you don't have to be a medical expert to be slightly concerned that the injury may mean that player is never quite as good again.
That's not really the whole story though, Southampton made it clear he wouldn't get his move and wouldn't be considered for games, if he didn't want to play for them. He then played sparingly and unsurprisingly isn't match fit, he also had an injury too which put him out from January 2017 until preseason, he didn't play another game until September.
Be wary of the signing, because of the fee, his injury record or because you don't rate him, but at least just say that Ross. All this fannying around the point and trying to make it more sinister than it probably actually is, is ridiculous. It's pretty clear to everyone you've made your mind up already.
He had a big injury and Southampton were pissed off with him after he handed in a transfer request, so all in all, when he joined us, he had played 12 games in 12 months.
It's hardly a fucking shock to anyone that he's not fit.
Why did OX average 10 minutes as a sub per match for 6 weeks after signing?
Why did Ings,Sturridge, Lallana etc undergo extensive post-injury fitness/tactical sessions before making full returns?
If anything £75m and whole lot of expectation gives the club greater cause for caution than with the above players surely?
Not to mention our defence is under massive amounts of scrutiny, is embedding a world record signing with huge expectations into a failing system the wisest thing to do? Perhaps its as much tactical as it is injury/fitness related.
Its speculative, regardless.
I think you called me a cunt.... But with you being wrong about everything Else, the probability of you being right about that one is less than 2%.
Liverpool boss Jurgen Klopp does not expect to see the best of club-record signing Virgil van Dijk until next season and admitted the defender was not "match fit" when he first arrived at Anfield.
"I'm very happy with him but there will always be ups and downs," said Klopp ahead of Tottenham's trip to Anfield on Sunday, live on Sky Sports Premier League. "We will see the best from Van Dijk after the summer. We don't have the time to wait until then, why should we?"
Klopp admitted Van Dijk was struggling for full fitness after arriving from Southampton. "When Virgil came here he wasn't match fit, that is the truth," said Klopp.
"We have had a lot of talks, it is quite difficult, our defending is different to Southampton. He has to get used to it."
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"I'm very happy with him but there will always be ups and downs," said Klopp ahead of Tottenham's trip to Anfield on Sunday, live on Sky Sports Premier League. "We will see the best from Van Dijk after the summer. We don't have the time to wait until then, why should we?"
Klopp admitted Van Dijk was struggling for full fitness after arriving from Southampton. "When Virgil came here he wasn't match fit, that is the truth," said Klopp.
"We have had a lot of talks, it is quite difficult, our defending is different to Southampton. He has to get used to it."
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Yeah, Lets not include the whole transfer saga as the reason for why he wasnt playing.
So? Is the case of Robinson supposed to back up this assertion that players who join Klopp's team have to wait for ages to get fit enough/ understand how we play/ blah blah
That seems a rather easy excuse to use when players don't feature, as if it's the norm.
How about some facts? Would you like some facts? Matip, Wijnaldum and Saane all joined within 3 weeks of eachother and all featured straight away in the team.
Robinson actually started the first home game of the season against Crystal Palace. In August. Hardly eased in.
He played for 11 games after the injury, and was then dropped.
But it turned out Robinson wasn’t ready, and since that point he was used very sparingly. Moreno’s injury forced the issue, and I think we were pretty damned lucky with that one!
And was dropped because of poor form or the transfer saga that was effecting him, the team and the manager?
I’m sure they exist. Ross reads up on these things and treats them as gospel, and considers what he reads as something beyond what medical experts at our club could comprehend.
If you can ignore that bit, Ross’s findings are usually very interesting.
I think he wasn't fit and that he hadn't recovered from his injury.
Which is why he's been dropped by Klopp too.
You were doing so well up until that last bit.
Haha. But they are. Sometimes.
I'm pretty sure they do, but I'm guessing they are only relevant to what type of injury or procedure Ross thinks van Dijk has had.
Not what anyone of us actually knows. 50/50 chance of playing again, yeah as if we've spent 75 mill on that gamble when Klopp doesnt even gamble on signing players in January because of inflated fees and impact.
I'm a bit worried that he has to get used to our type of defending. I was kinda hoping that he would change our type of defending
So does he gamble or doesn't he?
It's Friday Brendan, allow yourself a break from your usual crusade to prove that people on the internet are wrong and you've got the cold hard facts to prove it.
HC was raising an interesting counter and I added Robertson as another example of a player who didn't feature as much as we the fans expected, until he had the required fitness Klopp supposedly demands. Certain players may well need more time to adjust to what Klopp expects from them, i.e. Chamberlain playing such a reduced role with us to begin with.
I don't think this entirely translates to the VVD situation either. We're not privy to his exact situation. I presume Klopp doesn't want to play VVD until he is satisfied with his fitness. An injury to his prized CB would be very frustrating for him. No idea really what the situation is. I'm not trying to join the dots here and make a connection and claim it happens with every player we sign. Even HC stated that his post was speculative. So no need for how about some facts? Would you like some facts?
I am The Internet Crusader Of Facts and as such, cannot afford to have a break, even if it is Friday.
As for Robertson and whoever, I don't think it's possible to parse any particular pattern, rhyme or reason between who starts when and why. It's easy to do so in isolated cases like Chamberlain, and talk about how he needs time to get match-fit (or "Klopp fit" whatever that is), or has to learn how we play or whatever handy reason comes to mind, but that doesn't explain why other signings are played almost straight away - like VVD.
As was also the case with Robertson, who was thrown straight in and had a great debut in August. Why was he played then? Did he seem Klopp-fit and able to understand the deep complexities of pressing, and then forget again, hence his then lengthy absence?
As for Robertson and whoever, I don't think it's possible to parse any particular pattern, rhyme or reason between who starts when and why. It's easy to do so in isolated cases like Chamberlain, and talk about how he needs time to get match-fit (or "Klopp fit" whatever that is), or has to learn how we play or whatever handy reason comes to mind, but that doesn't explain why other signings are played almost straight away - like VVD.
As was also the case with Robertson, who was thrown straight in and had a great debut in August. Why was he played then? Did he seem Klopp-fit and able to understand the deep complexities of pressing, and then forget again, hence his then lengthy absence?
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