So - United We Fall ?
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Anyone expecting Man U to fall out of the top 3 or 4, while we win, I know you are aware of the following, but just slow down and look at it, car crash style.
Us over the last several years:
1998-1999 7th
1999-2000 4th
2000-2001 3rd
2001-2002 2nd
2002-2003 5th
2003-2004 4th
2004-2005 5th
2005-2006 3rd
2006-2007 3rd
2007-2008 4th
2008-2009 2nd
And them:
1998-1999 Champions
1999-2000 Champions
2000-2001 Champions
2001-2002 3rd
2002-2003 Champions
2003-2004 3rd
2004-2005 3rd
2005-2006 2nd
2006-2007 Champions
2007-2008 Champions
2008-2009 Champions
It's sickening reading, and of course at some point if we are to win it, this precedent will have to be broken, but at least you'll have a fucking clue and you can expect the worst and hope for the best.
Us over the last several years:
1998-1999 7th
1999-2000 4th
2000-2001 3rd
2001-2002 2nd
2002-2003 5th
2003-2004 4th
2004-2005 5th
2005-2006 3rd
2006-2007 3rd
2007-2008 4th
2008-2009 2nd
And them:
1998-1999 Champions
1999-2000 Champions
2000-2001 Champions
2001-2002 3rd
2002-2003 Champions
2003-2004 3rd
2004-2005 3rd
2005-2006 2nd
2006-2007 Champions
2007-2008 Champions
2008-2009 Champions
It's sickening reading, and of course at some point if we are to win it, this precedent will have to be broken, but at least you'll have a fucking clue and you can expect the worst and hope for the best.
has anyone ever won the league 4 seasons in a row? I'm including the old league obviously.
Farky you keep banging on about their history but as the investment saying goes - it is no guide to the future. It may help them if they get close - but I and many others don't believe they will - they should thank their lucky stars they started with Birmingham, Burnley (Ha!) and Wigan ! They have lost Ronaldo & Tevez and replaced them with Owen & Valencia, even allowing for a change of formation or style of play (which would need time for the players to adjust to) that is a significant weakening of a team that struggled (yes, I know they won the league) at times last season.
Add to that the aging of their midfield and reliance on unproven players such as Anderson / Nani / Fabio to step up and I can not for the life of me see where all this "United will wiin the league" comes from. Even second.
I am strongly with Pesam provided they don't go out and buy a world class player to strengthen them in MF and attack.
Add to that the aging of their midfield and reliance on unproven players such as Anderson / Nani / Fabio to step up and I can not for the life of me see where all this "United will wiin the league" comes from. Even second.
I am strongly with Pesam provided they don't go out and buy a world class player to strengthen them in MF and attack.
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35376.msg930929#msg930929 date=1251102355]
Farky you keep banging on about their history but as the investment saying goes - it is no guide to the future. It may help them if they get close - but I and many others don't believe they will - they should thank their lucky stars they started with Birmingham, Burnley (Ha!) and Wigan ! They have lost Ronaldo & Tevez and replaced them with Owen & Valencia, even allowing for a change of formation or style of play (which would need time for the players to adjust to) that is a significant weakening of a team that struggled (yes, I know they won the league) at times last season.
Add to that the aging of their midfield and reliance on unproven players such as Anderson / Nani / Fabio to step up and I can not for the life of me see where all this "United will wiin the league" comes from. Even second.
I am strongly with Pesam provided they don't go out and buy a world class player to strengthen them in MF and attack.
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Past performance is a decent indicator of future results in the premiership, other than if someone purchases your club and invests massive money.
Their team last year utilised certain players very well, namely Ronaldo, but it underutilized others. It's not a matter of subtracting and adding statistics.
Farky you keep banging on about their history but as the investment saying goes - it is no guide to the future. It may help them if they get close - but I and many others don't believe they will - they should thank their lucky stars they started with Birmingham, Burnley (Ha!) and Wigan ! They have lost Ronaldo & Tevez and replaced them with Owen & Valencia, even allowing for a change of formation or style of play (which would need time for the players to adjust to) that is a significant weakening of a team that struggled (yes, I know they won the league) at times last season.
Add to that the aging of their midfield and reliance on unproven players such as Anderson / Nani / Fabio to step up and I can not for the life of me see where all this "United will wiin the league" comes from. Even second.
I am strongly with Pesam provided they don't go out and buy a world class player to strengthen them in MF and attack.
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Past performance is a decent indicator of future results in the premiership, other than if someone purchases your club and invests massive money.
Their team last year utilised certain players very well, namely Ronaldo, but it underutilized others. It's not a matter of subtracting and adding statistics.
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It's not people not wanting to debate & theorise their standpoints. It's simple fact.
Utd are missing two key players, yes. However we're missing one in Alonso, & havent strengthened in the key areas that let us down last season, Arsenal havent added the strength in midfield everyone can see they needed, Man City are completely unproven, & Chelsea, despite not losing any key players, are operating a new system under a new manager.
As such writing off Utd is just fucking stupid, add in the fact that time & again Fergie has sold key players, been written off & turned a team of above average players with the odd star into a side that has an ethic that just refuses to let them get beaten.
It's happened time & again throughout Ferguson's tenure at Utd, & to dismiss their chances, & his ability to turn that side into a genuine title threat is naive at best.
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Sorry I saw this after Farky's. I think I've addressed most of this in my answer to him. I really wish you would stop calling people fucking stupid just because they happen to have an opinion - held by many others from United supporters to journalists - that differs from yours.
I also look through the United squad and although they have numbers they are now lacking star quality, the near or world class stars that make the difference.
United : Rooney, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra. Others are very much on the downward side of the hill (Scholes & Giggs) or just unproven and that included Berbatov in this team and the debatables inc. Carrick.
Liverpool : Torres, Gerrard, Reina, Masherano, Carragher and a few others that could step up to such a level for their position such as Johnson, Aquilani (from Italian reports of his brilliance), Agger & Skrtel.
Arsenal : Fabregas, Van Persie, others that may step up in the next season or two - Arshavin, Walcott, Wilshere and a host of just possibilities.
Chelsea : Cech, Carvalho, Essien, Terry, Lampard, Drogba and others that don't quite fit that billing any more such as Ballack, both Coles and Anelka.
United have lost two Stars - very difficult to get around the influence that will have on their team.
I completely agree that all of the 'Top 4' have been weakened either by players leaving or by other factors such as aging / new systems (inc. United in this) or new unproven managers. Personally I see it almost impossible to see United falling out the Top 4, although I can see 4th, but I don't see them making the Top 2. Spurs & Citeh will definitely give the Top 4 a run for their money this season. It is a far more open season as the top teams may be weaker and the teams in the group just behind are stronger.
It's not people not wanting to debate & theorise their standpoints. It's simple fact.
Utd are missing two key players, yes. However we're missing one in Alonso, & havent strengthened in the key areas that let us down last season, Arsenal havent added the strength in midfield everyone can see they needed, Man City are completely unproven, & Chelsea, despite not losing any key players, are operating a new system under a new manager.
As such writing off Utd is just fucking stupid, add in the fact that time & again Fergie has sold key players, been written off & turned a team of above average players with the odd star into a side that has an ethic that just refuses to let them get beaten.
It's happened time & again throughout Ferguson's tenure at Utd, & to dismiss their chances, & his ability to turn that side into a genuine title threat is naive at best.
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Sorry I saw this after Farky's. I think I've addressed most of this in my answer to him. I really wish you would stop calling people fucking stupid just because they happen to have an opinion - held by many others from United supporters to journalists - that differs from yours.
I also look through the United squad and although they have numbers they are now lacking star quality, the near or world class stars that make the difference.
United : Rooney, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra. Others are very much on the downward side of the hill (Scholes & Giggs) or just unproven and that included Berbatov in this team and the debatables inc. Carrick.
Liverpool : Torres, Gerrard, Reina, Masherano, Carragher and a few others that could step up to such a level for their position such as Johnson, Aquilani (from Italian reports of his brilliance), Agger & Skrtel.
Arsenal : Fabregas, Van Persie, others that may step up in the next season or two - Arshavin, Walcott, Wilshere and a host of just possibilities.
Chelsea : Cech, Carvalho, Essien, Terry, Lampard, Drogba and others that don't quite fit that billing any more such as Ballack, both Coles and Anelka.
United have lost two Stars - very difficult to get around the influence that will have on their team.
I completely agree that all of the 'Top 4' have been weakened either by players leaving or by other factors such as aging / new systems (inc. United in this) or new unproven managers. Personally I see it almost impossible to see United falling out the Top 4, although I can see 4th, but I don't see them making the Top 2. Spurs & Citeh will definitely give the Top 4 a run for their money this season. It is a far more open season as the top teams may be weaker and the teams in the group just behind are stronger.
But Froggy, the main thing we all practically agreed on last year was that to win the title we had to keep the first 11 intact. Fail One of the key elements in Alonso has gone. And the other point been, that we needed to bring in a top class attacking player. Fail again.
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This thread was a bad idea,Froggy; and many here did suggest that to you.
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The idea is not a bad one as United's performances so far have proved (30 good mins aside). A number of newspapers are running articles on the same theme now.
However it seems almost purely on the basis of history and superstition many on SCM are unwilling to debate it - just state United are wonderful without bothering to theorise as to why they will win / finish 2nd. It is weird because it seems United's own forums are far more willing to debate this with more than a few saying they won't finish in the Top 3 and some of them believing they won't finish in the Top 4 !!
No wonder there are so few posts / threads on SCM recently. It's like a graveyard half the time. No-one seems willing to actually debate their standpoint - they just issue simple declarations as if it's fact and decry anyone else holding a different opinion. I am not the only one on SCM who believes United won't finish in the Top 2. Look through the United threads - there are plenty of others - so why again is it a bad idea exactly ?
* declaimer - this is assuming United don't go out and spend big money on Ribery, Silva etc. before 1st September*
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We would have a better idea couple of months into the season.
1. The transfer window would have closed.
2. The sample space on which your assessment will be drawn would be a more accurate representation of the actual league teams and contenders that they would face over the course of the season.
It is one thing for united fans to be paranoid about their chances before a ball is kicked (that is basic human fear/siege mentality), it is entirely another for us to drum up and kick them without even a valid assessment of their ability to win the league......you are doing the later, and i'm not sure why you act so surprised when people are apprehensive about debating your topic at this point.
Perhaps you could close this for now and re-open it in a couple of months, and if United are in a bad position, then we can all join you in beating the dead snake. For now, i still fear being bitten by the snake...my apologies.
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No need to apologise MM if you don't want to walk the plank just yet ! However isn'[t debating the strengths and weaknesses of the contenders done by all even before the season begins ? Bookies, Journalists and just plain men in street do it ? Why wait to have a league position to strengthen your claims one way or the other. Why not state your convictions even before a ball is kicked based on the available evidenced one way or the other - with is what those saying United will win / finish Top 2 are doing.
Why not have the confidence in your beliefs, or just the balls, to come out and say it now before waiting for an indication one way of the other and then stating the obvious ?
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[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=35376.msg930883#msg930883 date=1251078090]
This thread was a bad idea,Froggy; and many here did suggest that to you.
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The idea is not a bad one as United's performances so far have proved (30 good mins aside). A number of newspapers are running articles on the same theme now.
However it seems almost purely on the basis of history and superstition many on SCM are unwilling to debate it - just state United are wonderful without bothering to theorise as to why they will win / finish 2nd. It is weird because it seems United's own forums are far more willing to debate this with more than a few saying they won't finish in the Top 3 and some of them believing they won't finish in the Top 4 !!
No wonder there are so few posts / threads on SCM recently. It's like a graveyard half the time. No-one seems willing to actually debate their standpoint - they just issue simple declarations as if it's fact and decry anyone else holding a different opinion. I am not the only one on SCM who believes United won't finish in the Top 2. Look through the United threads - there are plenty of others - so why again is it a bad idea exactly ?
* declaimer - this is assuming United don't go out and spend big money on Ribery, Silva etc. before 1st September*
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We would have a better idea couple of months into the season.
1. The transfer window would have closed.
2. The sample space on which your assessment will be drawn would be a more accurate representation of the actual league teams and contenders that they would face over the course of the season.
It is one thing for united fans to be paranoid about their chances before a ball is kicked (that is basic human fear/siege mentality), it is entirely another for us to drum up and kick them without even a valid assessment of their ability to win the league......you are doing the later, and i'm not sure why you act so surprised when people are apprehensive about debating your topic at this point.
Perhaps you could close this for now and re-open it in a couple of months, and if United are in a bad position, then we can all join you in beating the dead snake. For now, i still fear being bitten by the snake...my apologies.
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No need to apologise MM if you don't want to walk the plank just yet ! However isn'[t debating the strengths and weaknesses of the contenders done by all even before the season begins ? Bookies, Journalists and just plain men in street do it ? Why wait to have a league position to strengthen your claims one way or the other. Why not state your convictions even before a ball is kicked based on the available evidenced one way or the other - with is what those saying United will win / finish Top 2 are doing.
Why not have the confidence in your beliefs, or just the balls, to come out and say it now before waiting for an indication one way of the other and then stating the obvious ?
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Everyone's acting like pompous cunts in this thread, especially Larry which seems to have become his 'thing' in recent weeks.
From what I recall, I said - and is something I still stand by - I don't think United will win the league and they'll finish 5-10 points behind Liverpool and Chelsea, but they're still capable of winning, and Ross also said they'll finish third.
It's called a prediction, not writing people off - so why all the "those who write United off a clueless knobheads", "fucking insane to write United off"?
What a crock of arrogant, egotistical bollocks from SCM.
From what I recall, I said - and is something I still stand by - I don't think United will win the league and they'll finish 5-10 points behind Liverpool and Chelsea, but they're still capable of winning, and Ross also said they'll finish third.
It's called a prediction, not writing people off - so why all the "those who write United off a clueless knobheads", "fucking insane to write United off"?
What a crock of arrogant, egotistical bollocks from SCM.
I generally like Larry, but I agree he's been acting like a wannabe playground bully this weather.
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I generally like Larry, but I agree he's been acting like a wannabe playground bully this weather.
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I wouldn't say "bully", more of a sarcastic type.
But anyway, is there something necessarily wrong with that? Every forum needs a few of those types. Don't we want a forum with differing characters and opinions? What do the people who want Brendan back think they're going to be getting?
There's no harm in a bit of a cutting edge on the site. The last think we want is the whole place turning into one big "good post mate".
I generally like Larry, but I agree he's been acting like a wannabe playground bully this weather.
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I wouldn't say "bully", more of a sarcastic type.
But anyway, is there something necessarily wrong with that? Every forum needs a few of those types. Don't we want a forum with differing characters and opinions? What do the people who want Brendan back think they're going to be getting?
There's no harm in a bit of a cutting edge on the site. The last think we want is the whole place turning into one big "good post mate".
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[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35376.msg930929#msg930929 date=1251102355]
Farky you keep banging on about their history but as the investment saying goes - it is no guide to the future. It may help them if they get close - but I and many others don't believe they will - they should thank their lucky stars they started with Birmingham, Burnley (Ha!) and Wigan ! They have lost Ronaldo & Tevez and replaced them with Owen & Valencia, even allowing for a change of formation or style of play (which would need time for the players to adjust to) that is a significant weakening of a team that struggled (yes, I know they won the league) at times last season.
Add to that the aging of their midfield and reliance on unproven players such as Anderson / Nani / Fabio to step up and I can not for the life of me see where all this "United will wiin the league" comes from. Even second.
I am strongly with Pesam provided they don't go out and buy a world class player to strengthen them in MF and attack.
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Past performance is a decent indicator of future results in the premiership, other than if someone purchases your club and invests massive money.
Their team last year utilised certain players very well, namely Ronaldo, but it underutilized others. It's not a matter of subtracting and adding statistics.
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A team's chances of winning the league are made on the relative strengths of the changes made during the close season, managerial, playing staff and other factors such as changes in formation - hence the reason United are not the bookies favourites which is usually the prerogative of the Champions !
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Farky you keep banging on about their history but as the investment saying goes - it is no guide to the future. It may help them if they get close - but I and many others don't believe they will - they should thank their lucky stars they started with Birmingham, Burnley (Ha!) and Wigan ! They have lost Ronaldo & Tevez and replaced them with Owen & Valencia, even allowing for a change of formation or style of play (which would need time for the players to adjust to) that is a significant weakening of a team that struggled (yes, I know they won the league) at times last season.
Add to that the aging of their midfield and reliance on unproven players such as Anderson / Nani / Fabio to step up and I can not for the life of me see where all this "United will wiin the league" comes from. Even second.
I am strongly with Pesam provided they don't go out and buy a world class player to strengthen them in MF and attack.
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Past performance is a decent indicator of future results in the premiership, other than if someone purchases your club and invests massive money.
Their team last year utilised certain players very well, namely Ronaldo, but it underutilized others. It's not a matter of subtracting and adding statistics.
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A team's chances of winning the league are made on the relative strengths of the changes made during the close season, managerial, playing staff and other factors such as changes in formation - hence the reason United are not the bookies favourites which is usually the prerogative of the Champions !
I did not call you, nor anyone else fucking stupid, I said it was fucking stupid to write off Utd, big difference. For the record, I dont think you're stupid.
I completely understand your reasoning, but I dont think the loss of two stars will mean they suddenly drop that many points, I think Ferguson will turn that loss into a burgeoning team mentality, as he has countless times before.
Regards past performance not effecting future performance, I beg to differ, Fergie has proven he can make simply above average teams perform at levels much higher than you normally would think possible consistently. That fact cannot be written off.
I completely understand your reasoning, but I dont think the loss of two stars will mean they suddenly drop that many points, I think Ferguson will turn that loss into a burgeoning team mentality, as he has countless times before.
Regards past performance not effecting future performance, I beg to differ, Fergie has proven he can make simply above average teams perform at levels much higher than you normally would think possible consistently. That fact cannot be written off.
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[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=35376.msg930943#msg930943 date=1251104285]
I generally like Larry, but I agree he's been acting like a wannabe playground bully this weather.
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I wouldn't say "bully", more of a sarcastic type.
But anyway, is there something necessarily wrong with that? Every forum needs a few of those types. Don't we want a forum with differing characters and opinions? What do the people who want Brendan back think they're going to be getting?
There's no harm in a bit of a cutting edge on the site. The last think we want is the whole place turning into one big "good post mate".
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We could even set up second accounts and compliment our own posts!
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=35376.msg930943#msg930943 date=1251104285]
I generally like Larry, but I agree he's been acting like a wannabe playground bully this weather.
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I wouldn't say "bully", more of a sarcastic type.
But anyway, is there something necessarily wrong with that? Every forum needs a few of those types. Don't we want a forum with differing characters and opinions? What do the people who want Brendan back think they're going to be getting?
There's no harm in a bit of a cutting edge on the site. The last think we want is the whole place turning into one big "good post mate".
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We could even set up second accounts and compliment our own posts!
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=35376.msg930940#msg930940 date=1251103752]
But Froggy, the main thing we all practically agreed on last year was that to win the title we had to keep the first 11 intact. Fail One of the key elements in Alonso has gone. And the other point been, that we needed to bring in a top class attacking player. Fail again.
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Losing Alonso was a blow, but it's not as if we didn't replace him - we did and the jury is of course still out on that one - it may backfire it may even strengthen. There is nothing yet proven to say that Xabi was that vital a cog in our team no matter that he is a great player. We also strengthened our RB position to the extent that many people on here are actually saying we don't now need a winger such as Silva - most now want another viable back up to Torres (aside from Kuyt). Insua & Lucas have both improved and we have now blooded Ayala & Kelly and brought in an experienced CB as 4th man cover. Overall we may evenl be stronger than last season, weaker in one position but stronger in a couple of others.
However taking out probably the best player in the world (copyright & trade marked) AND another one of your main attacking threats whilst failing to adequately replace them (and lets be realistic Owen & Valencia don't do that) and still failing to address what was considered to be United's main weakness last season - midfield - can not but weaken your team, regardless of history.
I'm not saying we will win the league what I am saying is we will finish in the Top 2 and the other won't be United.
But Froggy, the main thing we all practically agreed on last year was that to win the title we had to keep the first 11 intact. Fail One of the key elements in Alonso has gone. And the other point been, that we needed to bring in a top class attacking player. Fail again.
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Losing Alonso was a blow, but it's not as if we didn't replace him - we did and the jury is of course still out on that one - it may backfire it may even strengthen. There is nothing yet proven to say that Xabi was that vital a cog in our team no matter that he is a great player. We also strengthened our RB position to the extent that many people on here are actually saying we don't now need a winger such as Silva - most now want another viable back up to Torres (aside from Kuyt). Insua & Lucas have both improved and we have now blooded Ayala & Kelly and brought in an experienced CB as 4th man cover. Overall we may evenl be stronger than last season, weaker in one position but stronger in a couple of others.
However taking out probably the best player in the world (copyright & trade marked) AND another one of your main attacking threats whilst failing to adequately replace them (and lets be realistic Owen & Valencia don't do that) and still failing to address what was considered to be United's main weakness last season - midfield - can not but weaken your team, regardless of history.
I'm not saying we will win the league what I am saying is we will finish in the Top 2 and the other won't be United.
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=35376.msg930947#msg930947 date=1251104980]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=35376.msg930943#msg930943 date=1251104285]
I generally like Larry, but I agree he's been acting like a wannabe playground bully this weather.
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I wouldn't say "bully", more of a sarcastic type.
But anyway, is there something necessarily wrong with that? Every forum needs a few of those types. Don't we want a forum with differing characters and opinions? What do the people who want Brendan back think they're going to be getting?
There's no harm in a bit of a cutting edge on the site. The last think we want is the whole place turning into one big "good post mate".
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We could even set up second accounts and compliment our own posts!
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Hahaha, remember that?
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=35376.msg930947#msg930947 date=1251104980]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=35376.msg930943#msg930943 date=1251104285]
I generally like Larry, but I agree he's been acting like a wannabe playground bully this weather.
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I wouldn't say "bully", more of a sarcastic type.
But anyway, is there something necessarily wrong with that? Every forum needs a few of those types. Don't we want a forum with differing characters and opinions? What do the people who want Brendan back think they're going to be getting?
There's no harm in a bit of a cutting edge on the site. The last think we want is the whole place turning into one big "good post mate".
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We could even set up second accounts and compliment our own posts!
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Hahaha, remember that?
you'd think last season was lesson enough, they just ground out win after win whilst not being in the best of form and just made sure they won their games in hand.
I very long time ago I stopped gloating when manu lost early doors because rarely are teams consistant enough to truly take advantage of it.
I very long time ago I stopped gloating when manu lost early doors because rarely are teams consistant enough to truly take advantage of it.
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[quote author=Paddy link=topic=35376.msg930953#msg930953 date=1251105683]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=35376.msg930947#msg930947 date=1251104980]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=35376.msg930943#msg930943 date=1251104285]
I generally like Larry, but I agree he's been acting like a wannabe playground bully this weather.
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I wouldn't say "bully", more of a sarcastic type.
But anyway, is there something necessarily wrong with that? Every forum needs a few of those types. Don't we want a forum with differing characters and opinions? What do the people who want Brendan back think they're going to be getting?
There's no harm in a bit of a cutting edge on the site. The last think we want is the whole place turning into one big "good post mate".
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We could even set up second accounts and compliment our own posts!
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Hahaha, remember that?
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Yep. Truly cringe worthy.
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=35376.msg930953#msg930953 date=1251105683]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=35376.msg930947#msg930947 date=1251104980]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=35376.msg930943#msg930943 date=1251104285]
I generally like Larry, but I agree he's been acting like a wannabe playground bully this weather.
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I wouldn't say "bully", more of a sarcastic type.
But anyway, is there something necessarily wrong with that? Every forum needs a few of those types. Don't we want a forum with differing characters and opinions? What do the people who want Brendan back think they're going to be getting?
There's no harm in a bit of a cutting edge on the site. The last think we want is the whole place turning into one big "good post mate".
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We could even set up second accounts and compliment our own posts!
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Hahaha, remember that?
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Yep. Truly cringe worthy.
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I did not call you, nor anyone else fucking stupid, I said it was fucking stupid to write off Utd, big difference. For the record, I dont think you're stupid. *breathes sigh of relief*
I completely understand your reasoning, but I dont think the loss of two stars will mean they suddenly drop that many points, I think Ferguson will turn that loss into a burgeoning team mentality, as he has countless times before.
Regards past performance not effecting future performance, I beg to differ, Fergie has proven he can make simply above average teams perform at levels much higher than you normally would think possible consistently. That fact cannot be written off.
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In that case all we have is a divergence of opinion based on our individual assessments of the facts. I simply don't think Ferguson's ability to get the best out of his team can make the difference this season.
I did not call you, nor anyone else fucking stupid, I said it was fucking stupid to write off Utd, big difference. For the record, I dont think you're stupid. *breathes sigh of relief*
I completely understand your reasoning, but I dont think the loss of two stars will mean they suddenly drop that many points, I think Ferguson will turn that loss into a burgeoning team mentality, as he has countless times before.
Regards past performance not effecting future performance, I beg to differ, Fergie has proven he can make simply above average teams perform at levels much higher than you normally would think possible consistently. That fact cannot be written off.
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In that case all we have is a divergence of opinion based on our individual assessments of the facts. I simply don't think Ferguson's ability to get the best out of his team can make the difference this season.
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you'd think last season was lesson enough, they just ground out win after win whilst not being in the best of form and just made sure they won their games in hand.
I very long time ago I stopped gloating when manu lost early doors because rarely are teams consistant enough to truly take advantage of it.
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Yeah but Spidey how many times was it a moment of individual brilliance from Ronaldo or Tevez that did that ? And you think Owen and Valencia can conjure that up ? Or someone else in their squad magically acquire those attributes ? They have a team a year older and have not adequately replaced their match winners. IMHO of course.
you'd think last season was lesson enough, they just ground out win after win whilst not being in the best of form and just made sure they won their games in hand.
I very long time ago I stopped gloating when manu lost early doors because rarely are teams consistant enough to truly take advantage of it.
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Yeah but Spidey how many times was it a moment of individual brilliance from Ronaldo or Tevez that did that ? And you think Owen and Valencia can conjure that up ? Or someone else in their squad magically acquire those attributes ? They have a team a year older and have not adequately replaced their match winners. IMHO of course.
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[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=35376.msg930943#msg930943 date=1251104285]
I generally like Larry, but I agree he's been acting like a wannabe playground bully this weather.
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I wouldn't say "bully", more of a sarcastic type.
But anyway, is there something necessarily wrong with that? Every forum needs a few of those types. Don't we want a forum with differing characters and opinions? What do the people who want Brendan back think they're going to be getting?
There's no harm in a bit of a cutting edge on the site. The last think we want is the whole place turning into one big "good post mate".
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We could even set up second accounts and compliment our own posts!
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Hahaha, remember that?
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Yep. Truly cringe worthy.
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What plonker did that ?
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=35376.msg930956#msg930956 date=1251105902]
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=35376.msg930953#msg930953 date=1251105683]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=35376.msg930947#msg930947 date=1251104980]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=35376.msg930943#msg930943 date=1251104285]
I generally like Larry, but I agree he's been acting like a wannabe playground bully this weather.
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I wouldn't say "bully", more of a sarcastic type.
But anyway, is there something necessarily wrong with that? Every forum needs a few of those types. Don't we want a forum with differing characters and opinions? What do the people who want Brendan back think they're going to be getting?
There's no harm in a bit of a cutting edge on the site. The last think we want is the whole place turning into one big "good post mate".
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We could even set up second accounts and compliment our own posts!
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Hahaha, remember that?
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Yep. Truly cringe worthy.
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What plonker did that ?
That would be nik, the Christmas tree selling, 'professional gambler', ginge Oirish poster, he doesnt post anymore.
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That would be nik, the Christmas tree selling, 'professional gambler', ginge Oirish poster, he doesnt post anymore.
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Ah yes. Ha ha he needed positive endorsement that much eh !
That would be nik, the Christmas tree selling, 'professional gambler', ginge Oirish poster, he doesnt post anymore.
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Ah yes. Ha ha he needed positive endorsement that much eh !
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35376.msg931005#msg931005 date=1251110950]
Do you remember the times when people talked about United and said "Only Gerrard would get in that team".
Have a look at things now.
Arguably only Evra and Ferdinand and possibly Vidic would get in a Liverpool team these days.
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Think i'll take Nani or Giggs for our left flank still.
We can possibly find a spot for Rooney i think.
But if we had Ferdinand, Evra, Rooney and Giggs we will probably walk the league and chamions league easily.
Do you remember the times when people talked about United and said "Only Gerrard would get in that team".
Have a look at things now.
Arguably only Evra and Ferdinand and possibly Vidic would get in a Liverpool team these days.
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Think i'll take Nani or Giggs for our left flank still.
We can possibly find a spot for Rooney i think.
But if we had Ferdinand, Evra, Rooney and Giggs we will probably walk the league and chamions league easily.
I think Rafa would happily play Rooney on the left.
I think I might as well
I think I might as well
Yeah.
I guess we'll have to wait and see how Aquilani turns out. Hopefully later on in the season people won't be saying "I'll take either Carrick or Hargreaves as well"
I guess we'll have to wait and see how Aquilani turns out. Hopefully later on in the season people won't be saying "I'll take either Carrick or Hargreaves as well"
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