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I think it is clear how our missed target like Mkhi affecting this season. Watching Mkhi playing in CL and BL, i can really imagine what he could have added to our midfield. I think we could have given priority to the MF position also like we actually got Sturridge and Sakho deals done as early as possible but I guess BR could not forsee that this issue will escalate like this. I think it boils down to both issues that
1. BR could not see what is going to come if we play with this midfield
2. BR seems to get wrong tactics and team selection for these away matches
3. The shite strategy in the tranfer window also seems to be questionable as the players bought in this window are not contributing to the results at all
 
Our problem is that rodgers didn't focus on midfield like he should have in the summer. That's his f**k up and its gonna cost us. Players like hendo (who many on here said would come good...still waiting), allen and lucas should be nowhere near the first team. If you're gonna buy sakho then you need to sell agger or skrtel because having 4 quality CB's as good as that is is just pointless for us this season.
 
Except they can and do play Flamini and Ramsey in centre mid as often as the other. Arteta was as much a victim of Everton's narrow play and a lack of wide men, as anything else, he's still a good option to have, for any side.

I'd take Falmini, Arteta and Ramsey over Lucas, Allen and Henderson any day of the week. They've got more options to mix it around too, than we have, given they have this lot to juggle between the triangle of three central players AND with the option of playing many of them wide also:

Arteta
Flamini
Ramsey
Wilshire
Corzola
Ozil
Rosicky
Gnabry

Plus.

Walcott
Oxlade-Chamberlain
Podolski
Giroud

Between 6 positions, that's near enough two quality players for every position with most of them capable of covering at least two roles.

We have:

Lucas
Allen
Henderson
Gerrard
Sterling
Coutinho
Aspas
Alberto

Sturridge
Suarez
Moses (Loan)

Our attacking two piss on anything they've got, but aside from Gerrard (who's on the slide) and Coutinho, meh.

Arteta didn't usually play CM for Everton because he was the closest thing they had to a flair player, not that he couldn't play the position. Arteta is an excellent midfielder. Ramsey is very obviously a top talent. And Flamini– well you could see the likes of Lucas being without a club too, such is the kind of unfussy and unnoticed work such players do. Doesn't mean he's not an excellent player, which again, he is. Then Jack Wilshere also plays there too for them. Another technically excellent player. Yes Ryan, you're wrong.


So Mark, the debate was about "the spine of the team" - 75% of the players you've listed don't play in the spine. Mark & D-Mac - I don't think Arteta-Flamini represents a "quality CM partnership." Not even close. They've played about half a dozen games togethor there for fucks sake.

So no, I'm not wrong.
 
What doesn't help is spending £47 Million on this shower of shit (harsh on Alberto and Llori, not their fault, but they were certainly not what we needed this summer);

Allen 12.5 million
Aspas 7.9 million
Alberto 6.8 million
Borini 10 million(loan)
Llori 7 million due out on (loan)
Assaidi 2.5 million (loan)

Then, after this, Rodgers thinks yeah the reason we got hammered by Hull (I mean ffs!) is because Sturridge wasn't fit and that our 'control' of the game didn't yield enough results.

I'm getting worried, especially at the mention of 5 year contracts.

Also Ryan, you been drinking? You knock Arsenal's midfield while talking up the likes of Allen?



Centre midfield, yes. I never said Arteta and Flamini were bad players, just run of the mill midfielders. They don't need to do a lot because the 4 or 5 in front of them are so good.
 
Centre midfield, yes. I never said Arteta and Flamini were bad players, just run of the mill midfielders. They don't need to do a lot because the 4 or 5 in front of them are so good.

Well Couthinho Sturridge and Suarez are pretty good in front of our midfield, I think Rogers wants us to play in a similar fluid way that the Arse do, but our midfield, Henderson aside, is very unathletic. The slump in performance in the second halfs, apparently due to fitness, has been going on for nearly a year now. Something is not right there.
 
1. Defence
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- Why the contrast?
- 3 out of 7 away games were against top 6 sides (7 conceded, avg 2.3/game).
- 4 out of 7 away games were against top half sides (10 conceded, avg 2.5/game).
- 3 of out 7 away games were against bottom half sides (3 conceded, avg 1/game).
(With the exception of away matches against Aston Villa and Sunderland, we have conceded at least 2 goals in each away game).

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- After 3 clean sheets in opening 3 fixtures, we had 1 clean sheet in the next 10 matches.
- We all know how important clean sheets are but the table goes to emphasize its importance/our reliance on it

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- Shots conceded per game (2012/13): 11.4 (ranked 17th)
- Shots conceded per game (2013/14): 13.8 (ranked 7th)

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- SGF = Shots on Goal Faced
- Only Cardiff's David Marshall had faced more.
- Two goalies with more than 60 SGF are from Stoke and Norwich, who are 14th and 16th respectively in the table.
 
2. Resolve (?)
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- On 7 out of 13 occasions (54%), we scored more than 1 goal. While we remain unbeaten in those games, we only won 4 of those (57%).

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- Of the 13 games so far, the opponents took the lead in 5 of those (38%). We failed to fully recover (i.e. turn the match around completely) from such situations. Arsenal and Newcastle are the only other such sides but the former only met up with such situation twice (15%).
(I omitted Tottenham in the highlighting because with their low tally of goals scored thus far, the repercussions for such situations are pretty obvious)

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- If only matches lasted 45 minutes...
 
That 2nd half stat is shocking and alarming.
Foot off the gas 'we've got this game won' routine. The twats. But they're not learning either, you could understand it for a few games maybe, but not 10.
Breakdown of goals scored - goals conceded by 1st and 2nd half
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@Mors might be right to an extent, seeing how its 3-3 in 2nd halves at home after racing to 10-0 in 1st halves.

Look at Man City's 1st half v 2nd half & Norwich and Swansea's 2nd half performances at home and Arsenal, Everton & West Brom's 2nd half performances away from home.
 
so we're shit in the 2nd half of games (further proof of the unfit theory?) , shit in defence , shit away from home and shit against any semi decent team . Could those last two be due to the lack of a tactical plan? .Unless you are shit hot you can't just go into those games thinking "if we play our game we'll easily win" , you usually need more of a plan .

Anyway lots and lots of work to do .
 
Not that the current game of two halves is great but I recall under Rafa (and Roy) a lot of games where we did not begin to threaten the opponent's goal until 65 mins or so. Waking up early to watch the first half of games wasnt usually worth it. Im glad we get off to good starts now, need the mentality and conditioning to finish games off.
 
Raised my eyebrow when I saw Skrtl and Toure were in the team

I just watched the highlights - one spawny deflection from Skrtl, one woeful clearance from Toure, and a Skrtl OG which was unlucky.

Bad selection from Rodgers for sure - Sakho and Agger are surely the best partnership available to us?
 
I would say our main problem is that Brendan doesnt know what our best team or formation actually is. He needs to stick with a team and formation rather than changing it week on week. The players are getting no confidence with this swapping around.
 
What doesn't help is spending £47 Million on this shower of shit (harsh on Alberto and Llori, not their fault, but they were certainly not what we needed this summer);

Allen 12.5 million
Aspas 7.9 million
Alberto 6.8 million
Borini 10 million(loan)
Llori 7 million due out on (loan)
Assaidi 2.5 million (loan)

Then, after this, Rodgers thinks yeah the reason we got hammered by Hull (I mean ffs!) is because Sturridge wasn't fit and that our 'control' of the game didn't yield enough results.

I'm getting worried, especially at the mention of 5 year contracts.

Also Ryan, you been drinking? You knock Arsenal's midfield while talking up the likes of Allen?

I hate lists like this. First of all, many of these players were bought for the future and calling them "shower of shit" is just wrong. I like that we have a manager that doesn't thinks long term - only by investing in talented players early we can hope to compete with the likes of City and Chelsea.

But the bigger reason posts like this bug me is the idea that you can list every single signing that was not an unqualified success, put together the amounts and say "if only [the amount in question] was spent on [some player bought by another team who is currently hot]." Friends, I hate to state what should be obvious, but life doesn't work this way! Every single manager will sign lots of "wrong" players - it doesn't mean those decisions at the time were necessarily wrong, things just don't work out sometimes. It's like saying if a poker player doesn't draw the strongest from the deck every time, it's a mistake. In football, you can produce the same list of "failures" for Wenger or Klopp or any other manager who is considered shrewd in the market and say "if only they saved all this money and instead signed player X" - so what? What matters is the end result, whether they built a strong team or not. Also, if you need to strengthen 2 positions in the first team squad, add depth and competition in 3 more positions and also buy a couple of players for the future, you can't add all of the those amounts together and say "let's not spend any money on other areas and just buy a 45M world-class striker/midfielder!" This is also wishful thinking. Teams need to evolve and you can't "save" on one area or necessary repairs in order to improve another no more than you can "save" by skipping on pants and shoes in order to buy a chic neck-tie.

Anyway, I don't mean all of this this personally against the post and the poster above. It's just this kind of logic is very prevalent on all fan forums and frankly it makes no sense to me at all.
 
I hate lists like this. First of all, many of these players were bought for the future and calling them "shower of shit" is just wrong. I like that we have a manager that doesn't thinks long term - only by investing in talented players early we can hope to compete with the likes of City and Chelsea.

But the bigger reason posts like this bug me is the idea that you can list every single signing that was not an unqualified success, put together the amounts and say "if only [the amount in question] was spent on [some player bought by another team who is currently hot]." Friends, I hate to state what should be obvious, but life doesn't work this way! Every single manager will sign lots of "wrong" players - it doesn't mean those decisions at the time were necessarily wrong, things just don't work out sometimes. It's like saying if a poker player doesn't draw the strongest from the deck every time, it's a mistake. In football, you can produce the same list of "failures" for Wenger or Klopp or any other manager who is considered shrewd in the market and say "if only they saved all this money and instead signed player X" - so what? What matters is the end result, whether they built a strong team or not. Also, if you need to strengthen 2 positions in the first team squad, add depth and competition in 3 more positions and also buy a couple of players for the future, you can't add all of the those amounts together and say "let's not spend any money on other areas and just buy a 45M world-class striker/midfielder!" This is also wishful thinking. Teams need to evolve and you can't "save" on one area or necessary repairs in order to improve another no more than you can "save" by skipping on pants and shoes in order to buy a chic neck-tie.

Anyway, I don't mean all of this this personally against the post and the poster above. It's just this kind of logic is very prevalent on all fan forums and frankly it makes no sense to me at all.

I hate expending energy and effort when it will do little to fuck all, especially when discussing topics that have been discussed over and over (is some guise for the last 20 years), in reality I don't have too much of a problem with Alberto (young, obviously talented and looks classy) and even Allen (needed a rest, needs gametime now, and still got to be worth around £10m, plus you go to what you know). I do have a problem with £20 million worth of talent being out on loan, especially since everyone of those signings could have been seen as a mistake before their purchase (Borini and Assaidi, who share £100k a week between their wages, hence loan), and I do have a problem buying for 2-3 years down the road when we need 1st team players now. You want to plan for the future, buy under 18s, not £7million 21 year olds.

And you want a god damn name? I believe I have said this in a thread within the last couple of days, but I'd buy Sebastian Rode from Frankfurt, possibly have a look at Rodrigo Caio (always a bit wary of Brazillians in their native league though) as it's bloody obvious as well as attacking talent (did we need to bring moses on loan to know he was shit?) that we need a new DM, or a 2nd even, as teams are able to waltz through our midfield.

With the exception of Allen (who could be argued is a first teamer, just isn't top quality yet, and isn't being used) it could be argued that every other signing on that list that you hate so much, could have been judged to be not good enough for us, or at least what we needed now, their fees (before wages, before agent fees, so more cost lost) still amount to £35 fucking million, which is at least 1 quality 1st teamer in anyone's books. You might argue we have built the squad, but Wisdom, Flanno and Sterling sit on our bench over our new defender and winger, and bloody rightly so!

Also it's not like I'm going back years for a huge tally of success and failure (ala the amount of people who called Rafa's 6 years of buys), I'm going back less than 18 months, where a HIGH number for signings have been mediocre at best, or a quickly identified failure. It's ok for City, Chelsea, The mancs, they can afford to waste money on the wrong player, whereas we need to try and get every one right. Some of the above never needed to pull on a red shirt to know they were shite.

Oh, and if it wasn't for a quality signing last night, what score would that have been?
 
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