So Gary Monk got the boot
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Did anyone think he was a great manager? I thought he did quite well, for a couple of seasons, and showed some promise, but it seems he's stupidly stubborn. To get that job at his age was an amazing stroke of luck, and initially he took his chance well, but instead of letting the club, which showed great patience with him this season, help him, he just went a bit mad. It was like a microcosm of an entire managerial career. Some people don't realise how lucky they are.
Well I could dig up quotes, but yes some people did claim he was a great young manager and doing a great job etc.
I think you can say that he's promising, at least thats what I think most on here that liked him thought. He hasnt achived anything so great is way ott.
He did a great job though. That 8th place finish last season was some achievement.
He might be stubborn but after the season they had last year you'd wonder if Swansea didnt pull the trigger a bit to early. But clubs get so scared about relegation that they sometimes change things to quickly.
If its true that Swansea sacked him and then made him take charge of training the next day regardless then Swansea arent coming out of this to good either.
4 English managers left in the PL and Pardew is probably the best one and Howe the most promising. Insane..
He did a great job though. That 8th place finish last season was some achievement.
He might be stubborn but after the season they had last year you'd wonder if Swansea didnt pull the trigger a bit to early. But clubs get so scared about relegation that they sometimes change things to quickly.
If its true that Swansea sacked him and then made him take charge of training the next day regardless then Swansea arent coming out of this to good either.
4 English managers left in the PL and Pardew is probably the best one and Howe the most promising. Insane..
Did José ? Did Rodgers ? Did Rafa ? Did ancelotti ? Did any other manager whos ever had a successful season followed by a grim one change overnight ?
How did he go mad? I'm not accusing you of being wrong, I just haven't seen it, but then again I don't follow Swansea too closely. I think they pulled the trigger way too early.
Yeah, it did. A bit like Pardew. He's gone from a terrible manager, to a great manager, to the worst manager ever, to the best manager ever, and back again several times over the last decade.
The only possible reason for this is that sometimes managers go to sleep being good, and wake up the next day rubbish. And vice versa.
Well I don't mean mad, as such, but he's at a club known for sticking with their managers as long as they can, they see he's struggling, they hold meetings with him to see if they can get him any help he'd be comfortable with, they basically exhaust all positive options before firing him, but he just snubbed them and carried on as normal. If you want to hold on to your job and get through a really bad spell, that's pretty immature. Even someone like Souey let Roy Evans be promoted when he was slipping towards a sacking - you have to be able to stand back and see the problem from the outside. Monk was damn lucky to get the job and he pretty much threw it away.
I'd be accused of picking on Hansern again
"Swansea are a fantastic little side, will be this season's Southampton, Gary Monk is a good manager"
"He even tactically showed up Rodgers last season.He's an exceptionally bright young coach"
"Swansea look brilliant. Gary Monk has done a great job there and they continue to look every bit the premier league team. Very impressive every time ive seen them so far."
"He even tactically showed up Rodgers last season.He's an exceptionally bright young coach"
"Swansea look brilliant. Gary Monk has done a great job there and they continue to look every bit the premier league team. Very impressive every time ive seen them so far."
I am also of the opinion that most managers don't really make much of a difference, but I do believe that better ones can make some difference, which is why Chelsea were exactly right to sack Ranieri for Mourinho, and we were right to sack Rodgers for Klopp.
But the vast majority of managers are mediocre. A few are genuinely shit, a few are very good. A very rare few are exceptional.
Money is all that really matters though. If you have more money than anyone else, even an old mediocrity like Pellegrini can win a title.
Is that bit harsh on poor old Pellegrini? Doesn't he have a track record of keeping sides competitive on a modest budget?
He got Villarreal into the CL in his first season in charge and took them to the semi final in the following season. He also had a 2nd placed finish with them in La Liga (club record). He did well at Malaga as well. They were a whisker away from a CL semi and he also recorded their highest ever points tally in the league.
What is the general consensus on Pellegrini? I don't mind him, he doesn't seem as much of a cunt as others.
I couldnt care less if any of my posts are in there. He did a great job at Swansea last season, any moron can see that (except you obvs).
And I think you've lost any credibility as some sort of "voice of reason" on this site ages ago. So your opinions are as much worth as Michael Owen's.
"Ooooh look at me. I'm soooo controversial"...
Dickhead
So you've looked at their league position, oh their manager must be good.
Couldn't possibly be anything else
Hang on, is Rosco a voice of reason, soooo controversial, or Michael Owen?
Because they're all different.
I think the question is whether he actually did a great job last season, or whether they would have done well with or without him, and he just happened to be the manager at the time?
I don't think people can get that good or bad at their job over the course of a year, they don't in pretty much every industry(the main exception being physical ones). So he's probably just as good a manager as he was last year now. What made them perform so much better last year than this? Form?
Just imagine if Claudio Ranieri was the same age as Gary Monk and this was his first job in England. Everyone would be calling him the next Jose Mourinho and linking him to every top job in the league.
Rosco banging the same old nail shocker😉
I don't follow Swansea, I don't have time, but surely outside factors can sometimes throw the club out of sync. And can't a decent manager go through a bad spell every now and then?
I think that's partly his point. They can't do much about it.
Wait, can we clear up when it is okay (safe) to praise a manager? We might need Rosco to draw up a mandate here.
So, we as football fans should NEVER praise a manager if he is currently doing what we believe is a good job? What are the rules here?
Most Swansea managers start off really impressively. That club allows young managers a very good platform from which to work. Swansea are one of the exceptions who clearly have a very good set up behind the scenes. Leicester and Southampton are similar in that regard. The set up behind the scenes has made every manager there look like an over achiever.
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