So are we better without him.........
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[quote author=iseered link=topic=45274.msg1330201#msg1330201 date=1305017697]
To everyone that says we are not a one man team any more, have you considered how we might look without Suarez playing?
Europa League anyone?
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oh we're definitely reliant on suarez, theres a reason he's been MOTM so many times
but if we can strengthen in the summer and find us another match winner...who knows. Perhaps we won't be
To everyone that says we are not a one man team any more, have you considered how we might look without Suarez playing?
Europa League anyone?
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oh we're definitely reliant on suarez, theres a reason he's been MOTM so many times
but if we can strengthen in the summer and find us another match winner...who knows. Perhaps we won't be
There is a case to make for Suarez making everyone he plays with look good.
KopKing said the other day that Carroll shouldn't walk back into the side and I agree. Suarez and Kuyt have developed an excellent understanding and are scoring goals for fun (along with Maxi).
Hopefully we get one or two more special players in the summer (an argument for acquisitions that go beyond the steady eddie Prem performers a la Downing) and that will ensure we don't become too reliant on Suarez.
KopKing said the other day that Carroll shouldn't walk back into the side and I agree. Suarez and Kuyt have developed an excellent understanding and are scoring goals for fun (along with Maxi).
Hopefully we get one or two more special players in the summer (an argument for acquisitions that go beyond the steady eddie Prem performers a la Downing) and that will ensure we don't become too reliant on Suarez.
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45274.msg1329948#msg1329948 date=1304979442]
No.
If you replace Meireles, Lucas or Spearing with Gerrard we are a better team.
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Word.
Obviously we're a better team with Gerrard in it. It's because he's our best player.
/thread.
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Erm, not sure if it's really that black and white to be honest.
Dreamy might actually be onto something.
Take that example above, replace any of those players with Gerrard and automatically you bring in a better player. That's fact fo'sho. Doesn't automatically make you a better team though, it just brings a better player into the team.
I think the difference to how we play sans Stevie is night and day to how we play with him. When he's in the side, for whatever reason, there's a tendency from most fo the team (in particular the lesser lights) to shirk responsibility and leadership. I can certainly see why that's the case, no one's doubting Gerrard's ability, but does it harm how we play? From time to time, yes I think it does.
There's no way Spearing for example would have come on the way he has in the last month had Gerrard been in there beside him. He's actually take the game on, and pressing forward with movement and passing. Has Gerrard been in there I'm not sure he'd have been so inlcined to do so. It's not that they're afraid of Gerrard, more that they're afraid of trying to do what he would most likely do better.
We're playing great football across the pitch right now. Everyone's taking ownership, everyone's playing with freedom, and everyone's enjoying it. Now before anyone cracks in and accuses me of Gerrard stealing the fucking buzz don't; there's a role for Gerrard in that team, and he'll come back into it no doubt when fit, but he has to adapt to the way we're playing now too. We're not the two-man team of 12/18 months ago, as evidenced by the football we're playing, and the goals and threat coming from all over the park that we've seen in the last few months. Increasingly Gerrard's role could and should eveoplve into what Giggs' has for United - still vital, and probably still their most important player, but it's a team role, not an individual one.
I've got faith in Kenny seeing this happens.
Stating "Gerrard's our best player, therefore we're a better team" is naive and uneducated to be honest.
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I had a feeling someone would take me up on that theory of us being a better team when we play our best player as it is a simplistic outlook. However, you can't deny we're going to be a better team with Gerrard in it. He has the technical ability, mobility and awareness to play across the midfield and will have no problems adapting to the way the team in functioning now. I like how the players have taken the onus upon themselves to impact games in his absence and this has happened in the past under Rafa too.
I always side with the notion that football is about the sum of the parts and not about individuals but I'm sure Gerrard can and will be an integral part of Kenny's team. I'm excited at the thought of watching Gerrard link up with Suarez, Carroll and Kuyt not worrying where we can accomodate him. We are not playing better because he is out of the team, we are playing well of late as Kenny has got the team functioning at a very high level. The reintroduction of a fit and hungry Gerrard can only be a positive for us.
[quote author=ILD link=topic=45274.msg1329979#msg1329979 date=1304980306]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45274.msg1329948#msg1329948 date=1304979442]
No.
If you replace Meireles, Lucas or Spearing with Gerrard we are a better team.
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Word.
Obviously we're a better team with Gerrard in it. It's because he's our best player.
/thread.
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Erm, not sure if it's really that black and white to be honest.
Dreamy might actually be onto something.
Take that example above, replace any of those players with Gerrard and automatically you bring in a better player. That's fact fo'sho. Doesn't automatically make you a better team though, it just brings a better player into the team.
I think the difference to how we play sans Stevie is night and day to how we play with him. When he's in the side, for whatever reason, there's a tendency from most fo the team (in particular the lesser lights) to shirk responsibility and leadership. I can certainly see why that's the case, no one's doubting Gerrard's ability, but does it harm how we play? From time to time, yes I think it does.
There's no way Spearing for example would have come on the way he has in the last month had Gerrard been in there beside him. He's actually take the game on, and pressing forward with movement and passing. Has Gerrard been in there I'm not sure he'd have been so inlcined to do so. It's not that they're afraid of Gerrard, more that they're afraid of trying to do what he would most likely do better.
We're playing great football across the pitch right now. Everyone's taking ownership, everyone's playing with freedom, and everyone's enjoying it. Now before anyone cracks in and accuses me of Gerrard stealing the fucking buzz don't; there's a role for Gerrard in that team, and he'll come back into it no doubt when fit, but he has to adapt to the way we're playing now too. We're not the two-man team of 12/18 months ago, as evidenced by the football we're playing, and the goals and threat coming from all over the park that we've seen in the last few months. Increasingly Gerrard's role could and should eveoplve into what Giggs' has for United - still vital, and probably still their most important player, but it's a team role, not an individual one.
I've got faith in Kenny seeing this happens.
Stating "Gerrard's our best player, therefore we're a better team" is naive and uneducated to be honest.
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I had a feeling someone would take me up on that theory of us being a better team when we play our best player as it is a simplistic outlook. However, you can't deny we're going to be a better team with Gerrard in it. He has the technical ability, mobility and awareness to play across the midfield and will have no problems adapting to the way the team in functioning now. I like how the players have taken the onus upon themselves to impact games in his absence and this has happened in the past under Rafa too.
I always side with the notion that football is about the sum of the parts and not about individuals but I'm sure Gerrard can and will be an integral part of Kenny's team. I'm excited at the thought of watching Gerrard link up with Suarez, Carroll and Kuyt not worrying where we can accomodate him. We are not playing better because he is out of the team, we are playing well of late as Kenny has got the team functioning at a very high level. The reintroduction of a fit and hungry Gerrard can only be a positive for us.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=45274.msg1330207#msg1330207 date=1305018117]
There is a case to make for Suarez making everyone he plays with look good.
KopKing said the other day that Carroll shouldn't walk back into the side and I agree. Suarez and Kuyt have developed an excellent understanding and are scoring goals for fun (along with Maxi).
Hopefully we get one or two more special players in the summer (an argument for acquisitions that go beyond the steady eddie Prem performers a la Downing) and that will ensure we don't become too reliant on Suarez.
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Liverpool will have always have a new hero. Now it's the time for Luis Suarez. Keegan, Daglish, Rush, Fowler, Owen, Torres, Suarez.
What an impact he has made. He's here a few months and already we're hoping to get in new blood so we're not overly reliant on our new hero. It's fucking great.
There is a case to make for Suarez making everyone he plays with look good.
KopKing said the other day that Carroll shouldn't walk back into the side and I agree. Suarez and Kuyt have developed an excellent understanding and are scoring goals for fun (along with Maxi).
Hopefully we get one or two more special players in the summer (an argument for acquisitions that go beyond the steady eddie Prem performers a la Downing) and that will ensure we don't become too reliant on Suarez.
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Liverpool will have always have a new hero. Now it's the time for Luis Suarez. Keegan, Daglish, Rush, Fowler, Owen, Torres, Suarez.
What an impact he has made. He's here a few months and already we're hoping to get in new blood so we're not overly reliant on our new hero. It's fucking great.
My point Re-Gerrard is that he is our best player. If Kenny tells him to do the job Lucas is doing he will do it and do it better than Lucas. If he replaces Spearing, same result, meireles......in fact in every position on the pitch barring Reina and probably Suarez, Gerrard would improve that position if he is told by Kenny to be disciplined and play a more 'team specific' role as (Ken already said it) he does for England.
Gerrard is our best player in almost every single position, and someone comes out of the side when hes fit.
Mos importantly though (given hes aging and misses lots of games now) we look like we can survive without him.
Thats a blessing in itself.
Gerrard is our best player in almost every single position, and someone comes out of the side when hes fit.
Mos importantly though (given hes aging and misses lots of games now) we look like we can survive without him.
Thats a blessing in itself.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45274.msg1330223#msg1330223 date=1305019015]
My point Re-Gerrard is that he is our best player. If Kenny tells him to do the job Lucas is doing he will do it and do it better than Lucas. If he replaces Spearing, same result, meireles......in fact in every position on the pitch barring Reina and probably Suarez, Gerrard would improve that position if he is told by Kenny to be disciplined and play a more 'team specific' role as (Ken already said it) he does for England.
Gerrard is our best player in almost every single position, and someone comes out of the side when hes fit.
Mos importantly though (given hes aging and misses lots of games now) we look like we can survive without him.
Thats a blessing in itself.
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Agree. Gerrard is a world class player. Most teams would miss him. Take Rooney out of Man U for instance. Look how Chelsea floundered without Lampard. To know we can cope without him is very reassuring but having him in the team does nothing but strengthen it
My point Re-Gerrard is that he is our best player. If Kenny tells him to do the job Lucas is doing he will do it and do it better than Lucas. If he replaces Spearing, same result, meireles......in fact in every position on the pitch barring Reina and probably Suarez, Gerrard would improve that position if he is told by Kenny to be disciplined and play a more 'team specific' role as (Ken already said it) he does for England.
Gerrard is our best player in almost every single position, and someone comes out of the side when hes fit.
Mos importantly though (given hes aging and misses lots of games now) we look like we can survive without him.
Thats a blessing in itself.
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Agree. Gerrard is a world class player. Most teams would miss him. Take Rooney out of Man U for instance. Look how Chelsea floundered without Lampard. To know we can cope without him is very reassuring but having him in the team does nothing but strengthen it
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45274.msg1330223#msg1330223 date=1305019015]
My point Re-Gerrard is that he is our best player. If Kenny tells him to do the job Lucas is doing he will do it and do it better than Lucas. If he replaces Spearing, same result, meireles......in fact in every position on the pitch barring Reina and probably Suarez, Gerrard would improve that position if he is told by Kenny to be disciplined and play a more 'team specific' role as (Ken already said it) he does for England.
Gerrard is our best player in almost every single position, and someone comes out of the side when hes fit.
Mos importantly though (given hes aging and misses lots of games now) we look like we can survive without him.
Thats a blessing in itself.
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Agree. Gerrard is a world class player. Most teams would miss him. Take Rooney out of Man U for instance. Look how Chelsea floundered without Lampard. To know we can cope without him is very reassuring but having him in the team does nothing but strengthen it
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All that up there !
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45274.msg1330223#msg1330223 date=1305019015]
My point Re-Gerrard is that he is our best player. If Kenny tells him to do the job Lucas is doing he will do it and do it better than Lucas. If he replaces Spearing, same result, meireles......in fact in every position on the pitch barring Reina and probably Suarez, Gerrard would improve that position if he is told by Kenny to be disciplined and play a more 'team specific' role as (Ken already said it) he does for England.
Gerrard is our best player in almost every single position, and someone comes out of the side when hes fit.
Mos importantly though (given hes aging and misses lots of games now) we look like we can survive without him.
Thats a blessing in itself.
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Agree. Gerrard is a world class player. Most teams would miss him. Take Rooney out of Man U for instance. Look how Chelsea floundered without Lampard. To know we can cope without him is very reassuring but having him in the team does nothing but strengthen it
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All that up there !
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[quote author=iseered link=topic=45274.msg1330201#msg1330201 date=1305017697]
To everyone that says we are not a one man team any more, have you considered how we might look without Suarez playing?
Europa League anyone?
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oh we're definitely reliant on suarez, theres a reason he's been MOTM so many times
but if we can strengthen in the summer and find us another match winner...who knows. Perhaps we won't be
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I agree, but I just wanted to add that Suarez had nothing to do with three of our goals yesterday.
2-0 Lucas, Johnson, Maxi --->Goal
3-0 Maxi, Meireles, Kuyt, Johnson, Kuyt ----> Goal
4-1 Flanagan, Maxi ----> Goal
[quote author=iseered link=topic=45274.msg1330201#msg1330201 date=1305017697]
To everyone that says we are not a one man team any more, have you considered how we might look without Suarez playing?
Europa League anyone?
[/quote]
oh we're definitely reliant on suarez, theres a reason he's been MOTM so many times
but if we can strengthen in the summer and find us another match winner...who knows. Perhaps we won't be
[/quote]
I agree, but I just wanted to add that Suarez had nothing to do with three of our goals yesterday.
2-0 Lucas, Johnson, Maxi --->Goal
3-0 Maxi, Meireles, Kuyt, Johnson, Kuyt ----> Goal
4-1 Flanagan, Maxi ----> Goal
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45274.msg1330223#msg1330223 date=1305019015]
My point Re-Gerrard is that he is our best player. If Kenny tells him to do the job Lucas is doing he will do it and do it better than Lucas. If he replaces Spearing, same result, meireles......in fact in every position on the pitch barring Reina and probably Suarez, Gerrard would improve that position if he is told by Kenny to be disciplined and play a more 'team specific' role as (Ken already said it) he does for England.
Gerrard is our best player in almost every single position, and someone comes out of the side when hes fit.
Mos importantly though (given hes aging and misses lots of games now) we look like we can survive without him.
Thats a blessing in itself.
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Not sure that Gerrard can do a better job than Lucas, he's not selfless enough in my opinion. He should replace Spearing.
My point Re-Gerrard is that he is our best player. If Kenny tells him to do the job Lucas is doing he will do it and do it better than Lucas. If he replaces Spearing, same result, meireles......in fact in every position on the pitch barring Reina and probably Suarez, Gerrard would improve that position if he is told by Kenny to be disciplined and play a more 'team specific' role as (Ken already said it) he does for England.
Gerrard is our best player in almost every single position, and someone comes out of the side when hes fit.
Mos importantly though (given hes aging and misses lots of games now) we look like we can survive without him.
Thats a blessing in itself.
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Not sure that Gerrard can do a better job than Lucas, he's not selfless enough in my opinion. He should replace Spearing.
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[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45274.msg1330203#msg1330203 date=1305017773]
[quote author=iseered link=topic=45274.msg1330201#msg1330201 date=1305017697]
To everyone that says we are not a one man team any more, have you considered how we might look without Suarez playing?
Europa League anyone?
[/quote]
oh we're definitely reliant on suarez, theres a reason he's been MOTM so many times
but if we can strengthen in the summer and find us another match winner...who knows. Perhaps we won't be
[/quote]
I agree, but I just wanted to add that Suarez had nothing to do with three of our goals yesterday.
2-0 Lucas, Johnson, Maxi --->Goal
3-0 Maxi, Meireles, Kuyt, Johnson, Kuyt ----> Goal
4-1 Flanagan, Maxi ----> Goal
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I know not directly, but come on. His off the ball movement and his ability to pull defenders (aye aye) leaves space open for others
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45274.msg1330203#msg1330203 date=1305017773]
[quote author=iseered link=topic=45274.msg1330201#msg1330201 date=1305017697]
To everyone that says we are not a one man team any more, have you considered how we might look without Suarez playing?
Europa League anyone?
[/quote]
oh we're definitely reliant on suarez, theres a reason he's been MOTM so many times
but if we can strengthen in the summer and find us another match winner...who knows. Perhaps we won't be
[/quote]
I agree, but I just wanted to add that Suarez had nothing to do with three of our goals yesterday.
2-0 Lucas, Johnson, Maxi --->Goal
3-0 Maxi, Meireles, Kuyt, Johnson, Kuyt ----> Goal
4-1 Flanagan, Maxi ----> Goal
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I know not directly, but come on. His off the ball movement and his ability to pull defenders (aye aye) leaves space open for others
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[quote author=Modo link=topic=45274.msg1330378#msg1330378 date=1305028142]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45274.msg1330203#msg1330203 date=1305017773]
[quote author=iseered link=topic=45274.msg1330201#msg1330201 date=1305017697]
To everyone that says we are not a one man team any more, have you considered how we might look without Suarez playing?
Europa League anyone?
[/quote]
oh we're definitely reliant on suarez, theres a reason he's been MOTM so many times
but if we can strengthen in the summer and find us another match winner...who knows. Perhaps we won't be
[/quote]
I agree, but I just wanted to add that Suarez had nothing to do with three of our goals yesterday.
2-0 Lucas, Johnson, Maxi --->Goal
3-0 Maxi, Meireles, Kuyt, Johnson, Kuyt ----> Goal
4-1 Flanagan, Maxi ----> Goal
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I know not directly, but come on. His off the ball movement and his ability to pull defenders (aye aye) leaves space open for others
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Of course. Just wanted to give some credit to the rest. We're definitely lacking without Suarez in the team but I wouldn't go so far as to call us a one-man team.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45274.msg1330378#msg1330378 date=1305028142]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45274.msg1330203#msg1330203 date=1305017773]
[quote author=iseered link=topic=45274.msg1330201#msg1330201 date=1305017697]
To everyone that says we are not a one man team any more, have you considered how we might look without Suarez playing?
Europa League anyone?
[/quote]
oh we're definitely reliant on suarez, theres a reason he's been MOTM so many times
but if we can strengthen in the summer and find us another match winner...who knows. Perhaps we won't be
[/quote]
I agree, but I just wanted to add that Suarez had nothing to do with three of our goals yesterday.
2-0 Lucas, Johnson, Maxi --->Goal
3-0 Maxi, Meireles, Kuyt, Johnson, Kuyt ----> Goal
4-1 Flanagan, Maxi ----> Goal
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I know not directly, but come on. His off the ball movement and his ability to pull defenders (aye aye) leaves space open for others
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Of course. Just wanted to give some credit to the rest. We're definitely lacking without Suarez in the team but I wouldn't go so far as to call us a one-man team.
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[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45274.msg1330403#msg1330403 date=1305028785]
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[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45274.msg1330203#msg1330203 date=1305017773]
[quote author=iseered link=topic=45274.msg1330201#msg1330201 date=1305017697]
To everyone that says we are not a one man team any more, have you considered how we might look without Suarez playing?
Europa League anyone?
[/quote]
oh we're definitely reliant on suarez, theres a reason he's been MOTM so many times
but if we can strengthen in the summer and find us another match winner...who knows. Perhaps we won't be
[/quote]
I agree, but I just wanted to add that Suarez had nothing to do with three of our goals yesterday.
2-0 Lucas, Johnson, Maxi --->Goal
3-0 Maxi, Meireles, Kuyt, Johnson, Kuyt ----> Goal
4-1 Flanagan, Maxi ----> Goal
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I know not directly, but come on. His off the ball movement and his ability to pull defenders (aye aye) leaves space open for others
[/quote]
Of course. Just wanted to give some credit to the rest. We're definitely lacking without Suarez in the team but I wouldn't go so far as to call us a one-man team.
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i know it is reductive, but it's like when torres signed for us. He scared the shit out defenders even when he wasn't near the ball, leaving space for others to run in to. When we have a few more bits of talent over the park then i'll happily admit we're not a 1 or 2 man team. But it all depends on getting the balance right, which at the moment we have
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45274.msg1330403#msg1330403 date=1305028785]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45274.msg1330378#msg1330378 date=1305028142]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45274.msg1330203#msg1330203 date=1305017773]
[quote author=iseered link=topic=45274.msg1330201#msg1330201 date=1305017697]
To everyone that says we are not a one man team any more, have you considered how we might look without Suarez playing?
Europa League anyone?
[/quote]
oh we're definitely reliant on suarez, theres a reason he's been MOTM so many times
but if we can strengthen in the summer and find us another match winner...who knows. Perhaps we won't be
[/quote]
I agree, but I just wanted to add that Suarez had nothing to do with three of our goals yesterday.
2-0 Lucas, Johnson, Maxi --->Goal
3-0 Maxi, Meireles, Kuyt, Johnson, Kuyt ----> Goal
4-1 Flanagan, Maxi ----> Goal
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I know not directly, but come on. His off the ball movement and his ability to pull defenders (aye aye) leaves space open for others
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Of course. Just wanted to give some credit to the rest. We're definitely lacking without Suarez in the team but I wouldn't go so far as to call us a one-man team.
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i know it is reductive, but it's like when torres signed for us. He scared the shit out defenders even when he wasn't near the ball, leaving space for others to run in to. When we have a few more bits of talent over the park then i'll happily admit we're not a 1 or 2 man team. But it all depends on getting the balance right, which at the moment we have
Obviously Stevie is a great player, but strangely I have noticed in past seasons that when he is out of the team, the others seem to play better. I thought this was particularly noticeable with Alonso who always seemed to be a transformed player when he didn't have Stevie alongside him.
[quote author=Portly link=topic=45274.msg1330429#msg1330429 date=1305029655]
Obviously Stevie is a great player, but strangely I have noticed in past seasons that when he is out of the team, the others seem to play better. I thought this was particularly noticeable with Alonso who always seemed to be a transformed player when he didn't have Stevie alongside him.
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you're not alone with noticing that
Obviously Stevie is a great player, but strangely I have noticed in past seasons that when he is out of the team, the others seem to play better. I thought this was particularly noticeable with Alonso who always seemed to be a transformed player when he didn't have Stevie alongside him.
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you're not alone with noticing that
Its not so much 'are we better without him' its more 'do we miss him when he isn't playing', and no we don't.
The team are playing superb football.
Think about it its fucking weird......
Without Gerrard and no torres we are playing the best football we have played in God knows how long, just last January 5 short months ago that was inconcievable.
Is there a place for Gerrard in the team? of course there is, BUT .... I hope its not the Gerrard who wants to do every.... fucking.... thing,
I hope its a newer Gerrard who (just one example) lets other players take free kicks and corners, (ok thats 2 but I hope you know what I mean!)
The team are playing superb football.
Think about it its fucking weird......
Without Gerrard and no torres we are playing the best football we have played in God knows how long, just last January 5 short months ago that was inconcievable.
Is there a place for Gerrard in the team? of course there is, BUT .... I hope its not the Gerrard who wants to do every.... fucking.... thing,
I hope its a newer Gerrard who (just one example) lets other players take free kicks and corners, (ok thats 2 but I hope you know what I mean!)
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[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45274.msg1329940#msg1329940 date=1304979263]
he's better than jay, but jay is perfect for that role whereas gerrard may not be.....
erm
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Obviously 99% of fans will say no, however our balance is looking so good right now and we are not relying on getting the ball to one man and looking for a 50 yard killer ball.
For the first time in 6 years I can see a Liverpool team without Gerrard and not feel the need to go into the fetile position
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Fucking hell.
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Jesus Christ, I'm not saying I don't want Gerrard I'm saying we are playing the kind of football that isn't reliant on one man dragging the rest of them around by the bootlaces.
Get A GRIP
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Settle down, Dreamers. It's a good thread stimulating a good discussion. It was the "fetile" effort that I was struggling to comprehend.
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[quote author=Fabio link=topic=45274.msg1329940#msg1329940 date=1304979263]
he's better than jay, but jay is perfect for that role whereas gerrard may not be.....
erm
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Obviously 99% of fans will say no, however our balance is looking so good right now and we are not relying on getting the ball to one man and looking for a 50 yard killer ball.
For the first time in 6 years I can see a Liverpool team without Gerrard and not feel the need to go into the fetile position
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Fucking hell.
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Jesus Christ, I'm not saying I don't want Gerrard I'm saying we are playing the kind of football that isn't reliant on one man dragging the rest of them around by the bootlaces.
Get A GRIP
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Settle down, Dreamers. It's a good thread stimulating a good discussion. It was the "fetile" effort that I was struggling to comprehend.
I remember reading in a management textbook about various management styles. These were as follows:
1. I'm OK, you're OK
2. I'm OK, you're not OK
3. I'm not OK, you're OK
4. I'm not OK, you're not OK
I think that as a captain, Stevie's approach is the second. Carra's is the first, which in my book makes him a better captain.
1. I'm OK, you're OK
2. I'm OK, you're not OK
3. I'm not OK, you're OK
4. I'm not OK, you're not OK
I think that as a captain, Stevie's approach is the second. Carra's is the first, which in my book makes him a better captain.
We are much better without Gerrard because the players are all taking responsibility instead of leaving Gerrard to do it all on his own.
We have greater cohesion and balance. The team attacks and defends as a unit.
When Gerrard returns, it will be interesting to see where Kenny plays him.
We have greater cohesion and balance. The team attacks and defends as a unit.
When Gerrard returns, it will be interesting to see where Kenny plays him.
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45274.msg1330223#msg1330223 date=1305019015]
My point Re-Gerrard is that he is our best player. If Kenny tells him to do the job Lucas is doing he will do it and do it better than Lucas. If he replaces Spearing, same result, meireles......in fact in every position on the pitch barring Reina and probably Suarez, Gerrard would improve that position if he is told by Kenny to be disciplined and play a more 'team specific' role as (Ken already said it) he does for England.
Gerrard is our best player in almost every single position, and someone comes out of the side when hes fit.
Mos importantly though (given hes aging and misses lots of games now) we look like we can survive without him.
Thats a blessing in itself.
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Not sure that Gerrard can do a better job than Lucas, he's not selfless enough in my opinion. He should replace Spearing.
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I think I just heard a faint KABOOM in a distance. Someone's head apparently exploded upon reading that phrase.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45274.msg1330223#msg1330223 date=1305019015]
My point Re-Gerrard is that he is our best player. If Kenny tells him to do the job Lucas is doing he will do it and do it better than Lucas. If he replaces Spearing, same result, meireles......in fact in every position on the pitch barring Reina and probably Suarez, Gerrard would improve that position if he is told by Kenny to be disciplined and play a more 'team specific' role as (Ken already said it) he does for England.
Gerrard is our best player in almost every single position, and someone comes out of the side when hes fit.
Mos importantly though (given hes aging and misses lots of games now) we look like we can survive without him.
Thats a blessing in itself.
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Not sure that Gerrard can do a better job than Lucas, he's not selfless enough in my opinion. He should replace Spearing.
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I think I just heard a faint KABOOM in a distance. Someone's head apparently exploded upon reading that phrase.
[quote author=rurikbird link=topic=45274.msg1330952#msg1330952 date=1305106066]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=45274.msg1330394#msg1330394 date=1305028616]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45274.msg1330223#msg1330223 date=1305019015]
My point Re-Gerrard is that he is our best player. If Kenny tells him to do the job Lucas is doing he will do it and do it better than Lucas. If he replaces Spearing, same result, meireles......in fact in every position on the pitch barring Reina and probably Suarez, Gerrard would improve that position if he is told by Kenny to be disciplined and play a more 'team specific' role as (Ken already said it) he does for England.
Gerrard is our best player in almost every single position, and someone comes out of the side when hes fit.
Mos importantly though (given hes aging and misses lots of games now) we look like we can survive without him.
Thats a blessing in itself.
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Not sure that Gerrard can do a better job than Lucas, he's not selfless enough in my opinion. He should replace Spearing.
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I think I just heard a faint KABOOM in a distance. Someone's head apparently exploded upon reading that phrase.
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Let me add to it, lest I get rounded upon as happens when I defend Lucas. Gerrard doesn't have the football personality for want of a better phrase for the 'water carrier' role, which is all about letting the creative players shine. Gerrard's detractors call him 'Stevie Me' for a reason.
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=45274.msg1330394#msg1330394 date=1305028616]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45274.msg1330223#msg1330223 date=1305019015]
My point Re-Gerrard is that he is our best player. If Kenny tells him to do the job Lucas is doing he will do it and do it better than Lucas. If he replaces Spearing, same result, meireles......in fact in every position on the pitch barring Reina and probably Suarez, Gerrard would improve that position if he is told by Kenny to be disciplined and play a more 'team specific' role as (Ken already said it) he does for England.
Gerrard is our best player in almost every single position, and someone comes out of the side when hes fit.
Mos importantly though (given hes aging and misses lots of games now) we look like we can survive without him.
Thats a blessing in itself.
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Not sure that Gerrard can do a better job than Lucas, he's not selfless enough in my opinion. He should replace Spearing.
[/quote]
I think I just heard a faint KABOOM in a distance. Someone's head apparently exploded upon reading that phrase.
[/quote]
Let me add to it, lest I get rounded upon as happens when I defend Lucas. Gerrard doesn't have the football personality for want of a better phrase for the 'water carrier' role, which is all about letting the creative players shine. Gerrard's detractors call him 'Stevie Me' for a reason.
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=45274.msg1330963#msg1330963 date=1305106514]
Let me add to it, lest I get rounded upon as happens when I defend Lucas. Gerrard doesn't have the football personality for want of a better phrase for the 'water carrier' role, which is all about letting the creative players shine. Gerrard's detractors call him 'Stevie Me' for a reason.
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Yeah, they're cunts.
Gerrard has done the water carrier role for England in the past - it's just a role that doesn't make the best use of his abilities.
Let me add to it, lest I get rounded upon as happens when I defend Lucas. Gerrard doesn't have the football personality for want of a better phrase for the 'water carrier' role, which is all about letting the creative players shine. Gerrard's detractors call him 'Stevie Me' for a reason.
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Yeah, they're cunts.
Gerrard has done the water carrier role for England in the past - it's just a role that doesn't make the best use of his abilities.
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[quote author=KopKing link=topic=45274.msg1330963#msg1330963 date=1305106514]
Let me add to it, lest I get rounded upon as happens when I defend Lucas. Gerrard doesn't have the football personality for want of a better phrase for the 'water carrier' role, which is all about letting the creative players shine. Gerrard's detractors call him 'Stevie Me' for a reason.
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Yeah, they're cunts.
Gerrard has done the water carrier role for England in the past - it's just a role that doesn't make the best use of his abilities.
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Which is my point. Lucas does that role for Brazil NOW, a far better team with far better players.
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=45274.msg1330963#msg1330963 date=1305106514]
Let me add to it, lest I get rounded upon as happens when I defend Lucas. Gerrard doesn't have the football personality for want of a better phrase for the 'water carrier' role, which is all about letting the creative players shine. Gerrard's detractors call him 'Stevie Me' for a reason.
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Yeah, they're cunts.
Gerrard has done the water carrier role for England in the past - it's just a role that doesn't make the best use of his abilities.
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Which is my point. Lucas does that role for Brazil NOW, a far better team with far better players.
As I said, I'd like him in the team.
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