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Six Nations

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=38718.msg1060021#msg1060021 date=1267121168]
Ireland could well win by that kind of margin if England play like they did against Italy, but if England get a grip and play at the top of their game I wouldn't have said there were that many points between the two sides. IMO Ireland have more game-breaking potential behind the scrum overall though, so - with some hesitation, and I'd be glad to be wrong - I'm going to tip Ireland by a single-figure margin.
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I think it'll be a close game. My only concern is despite the talent in our back line, it may not get the chance to shine thanks to O'Leary as we've mentioned loads of times.

I think it's a close call between the front five's, I'd expect us to win the lineout and struggle a little bit in the scrum as usual. I think we've got a better back row though, with Ferris and Heaslip really outshining their opposite numbers.

With the backline, there's plenty of ability in that England backline if Wilkinson cuts loose. Monye is not the most well rounded of players but I'd fancy him to beat players in one on one situations. Tait and Flutey is a nice balanced midfield and could cause us problems. Armitage , if he finds a bit more form, could be a handful too.
 
Mostly agree but it's a big "if" about Wilkinson, unfortunately for us.

Not so sure your back-rowers, though I rate them highly, are so very far ahead of the England boys though, if (again) England bring their A game to the party. That'll be an, er, interesting area to watch.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=38718.msg1060502#msg1060502 date=1267176653]
Mostly agree but it's a big "if" about Wilkinson, unfortunately for us.

Not so sure your back-rowers, though I rate them highly, are so very far ahead of the England boys though, if (again) England bring their A game to the party. That'll be an, er, interesting area to watch.
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I think Rosco suggested just that.
 
Beg to differ, doc. Ross differentiated between the front fives, saying it's a close call between them, and the back rows. That to me implies that he thinks yours is way ahead of ours. I don't. Ireland's is a very fine trio indeed but not IMHO streets ahead of the England three.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=38718.msg1060553#msg1060553 date=1267185019]
Beg to differ, doc. Ross differentiated between the front fives, saying it's a close call between them, and the back rows. That to me implies that he thinks yours is way ahead of ours. I don't. Ireland's is a very fine trio indeed but not IMHO streets ahead of the England three.
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Sorry, I thought you were referring to the backline rather than back row...nah, Ross is right there 😉
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=38718.msg1060246#msg1060246 date=1267128713]
I have absolutely no fucking idea who'll win. But I'm hoping for England to beat Ireland, and Wales to beat France.

Scotland-Italy? Who gives a toss.
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Me! Come on Italy!!
 
A couple of decent articles from the Irish Times on tomorrow's match:

Plodding England can still strike quickly

TWO WEEKS ago France beat Ireland in Paris by 33 points to 10. Two years ago England beat Ireland in London by 33 points to 10. From the outset of this Six Nations I have felt that, bar the All Blacks, tomorrow is the real test of this Irish side. And that was before the French game – as a loss to England would be far more damaging. Ireland have a great record in London and, man for man, possess far more natural ability; so why the concern?

The English press have turned on Martin Johnson’s team, making him the culprit for loyalty to Jonny Wilkinson and the old ways. They would have us believe their end is nigh. But, lest we forget, England came joint second with France and Wales on six points last year. All three were a long way behind Ireland on 10. However, England scored the most tries and had the best points differential, and had that one-point Irish victory been in England’s favour they would have won the Championship. Tomorrow they are playing for the Grand Slam.

Why are we fooled? At times the English can be like an Italian soccer team away from home, settling for the nil-all draw. Along the way they play terrible rugby, with some lumbering players in key positions, such as number eight Nick Easter and hooker Dylan Hartley. But then, like the Italians, life can spring forth, and when it does it is devastating. The English back line is very dangerous, particularly with their big decoy runners in midfield. In a tight game all they’ll need is a couple of openings.

With Riki Flutey at first centre their season can change for the better. Not because he is better than Gordon D’Arcy, but for what he’ll bring to Wilkinson. Flutey can straighten the line and create offload opportunities for his big ball-carrying outside backs. There is activity around his zone – not all the time, but his team-mates are alive to his potential.

Easter is the least athletic number eight in the Six Nations, but he does pop up at times, as do the wingers.

The English get their defence set up quickly off first-phase play, especially on the far side of the ruck. They are especially good at balancing the personnel: fatties on the inside and speedies on the outside. So it is difficult to isolate forwards.

Ireland can counter this with plenty of activity from Geordan Murphy down the blindside. Welsh tighthead Adam Jones scored a cracker on Mark Cueto’s right wing. But where was Cueto? Wales had a scrum seven metres out and 20 metres from the left touchline. Jamie Roberts carried into midfield and the ball was rewound immediately through Alun Wyn Jones to Adam Jones: try. The Welsh had stacked right and the English marked it by leaving tighthead David Wilson and backrower James Haskell protecting the blindside.

To create this, quick ball is crucial. Rob Kearney scored a wonderful team try in Twickenham two years ago, before the English pace of play (not skill) left Ireland reeling. With defence in mind, Ireland will adapt theirs to suit the English, be it an aggressive strike runner or not.

However, over the months this Irish side have been slow to rearrange their midfield on the hoof. In times past, Irish frontrow forwards were left badly exposed. This happened in Stade de France. As the pace of the game lifts along with the phases, Irish forwards and backs have a nasty habit of being sucked into the breakdown, leaving space out wide. England will want to create this imbalance with rumbles around the side and close targets off Danny Care. Ireland must remain patient and not over-commit.

In a sense, Ireland are at their most vulnerable when the opposition move away from first-phase into a fast-paced game. England can be limited in their ambition, but watch the pace of the ball. Count the seconds before Care gets his hands on it. If it’s less than five seconds Ireland are in trouble.

Compare that to the service Tomás O’Leary gets. Force yourself to count. Try to keep a close eye on the clock.

Johnson has many detractors, but watch England around the championship minutes, especially around half-time. Their bulk can ensure one-man clear-outs to Ireland’s four or five. Advantage England.

The English secondrow pair, with captain Steve Borthwick, don’t get the respect they deserve. They are much stronger and more effective than the press make out. He’s not pretty, but Borthwick does untold work around the fringes. His lineout is under-rated, as he damages the maul. His steal at a Welsh breakdown inside his half led to the Care try.

Ireland, in beating England 43-13 in that famous Croke Park fixture, managed a quality of play that was extraordinary. Time and again Shane Horgan and others got on the ball with so many options and decoy runners fixing English defenders and causing mayhem. The challenge is to not over-commit in defence and to run decoys around the ball-carrier. Jonny Sexton should force more activity around him.

I do feel for Leo Cullen. He and Donncha O’Callaghan are very different players. The Munster man fits into the high-tempo, high-pressure game of last season’s Six Nations campaign. But Cullen’s lineout management is every bit as good as Paul O’Connell’s. It is no accident Cullen stole so much in the past two internationals.

Finally, French tighthead Nicolas Mas was brutally clairvoyant two weeks ago when he predicted the end of an era: “When I saw him leaving the field so early, the one who I always saw do the 80 minutes of rugby, I thought an Irish monument is leaving. That will hurt their morale.â€

John Hayes will reach 100 caps tomorrow and enter the Irish pantheon. He has been extraordinary. Last year, in Croke Park’s victory over England, he was my man of the match. How many posters adorn public places with O’Connell high in the air? Who do you think put the Lions captain there?

See you tonight in The Stoop . . . Legends!


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Collisions will be key
February 26, 2010 @ 1:59 pm | by Frankie Sheahan

Its going to be close - very, very close. The bookies have it as a scratch game. I tend to agree - but if a gun was put to my head I’d have to say Ireland by two to three points.

As with any game of this magnitude, it will be decided in a number of key areas.

The Collisions

Tomorrow’s game will be extremely physical. I can’t underestimate how tough the English will be in the contact area and their whole gameplan will revolve around this area. Think about the sheer size of guys like Shaw, Borthwick and Haskell in the forwards and the power of Wilkinson, Cueto and Monye out the backs.

We need to win the collision battle that we lost hands-down in Paris. By losing the collisions in Paris we were forced into unforced errors and mistakes – in the two key areas of handling and defence.

I do think that Kidney has recognised this and that is why Donncha and Sexton have been picked and why he has Trimble and Tony Buckley on the bench.

Where to play the game

England know that if they are to beat us tomorrow it is going to be up-front. They won’t believe that they can outmuscle the likes of D’Arcy and O’Driscoll in midfield. In short, if we stand toe-to-toe with them up front then our backs will win it for us.

So from our point of view, the plan should be to employ as expansive a game as possible. To put this simply, we need to get the likes of O’Driscoll, D’Arcy and Bowe to touch the ball as many times as possible.

On Brian O’Driscoll, from a players point of view when you’re defending him in open play and he has ball in hand you have to tackle him – no matter what. You simply can’t drift out to the next attacker or buy a dummy.

This is because he is so dangerous that if he gets half a gap its try time. Most of the time he not only attracts one defender, but sucks in two or three others. There’s lots of players in world rugby who can lure more than one defender in, but what puts O’Driscoll in a class of his own is that he can distribute and offload better than anyone else in the game.

The key to unleashing O’Driscoll and the Irish backline will be Sexton’s distribution. The best thing about Rog’s game is the fact that he creates space for the guys outside him through quick and accurate passing. Sexton is a great defender and has a super kicking game but is not as well known for his distribution. If he masters this facet of his game tomorrow then we’ll be able to give the outside backs more space – which will inevitably bring tries.

Distribution from the Contact Area

I know Tomás O’Leary put up with a lot of criticism since the France match about his delivery. I’d like to briefly explain the correlation between the collision area and the speed of a scrumhalf’s delivery.

Think about the number of times in Paris Tomás had to dig and scavenge for the ball out of rucks. When you lose the collisions and the ball isn’t placed back as cleanly by the carrier, then the ruckers are on the back foot. The upshot is that the scrumhalf (a) Has to find the ball and (b) isn’t protected.

This leads to untidy ball and extra pressure from the defenders, hence the slow delivery. The scrumhalf takes longer to get his hands on the ball and longer to get the ball into a passing position. These two fractions of a second are the fine lines between a quick delivery and a slow delivery. Yes, in Paris, Tomás’s delivery was slow and the French defence was quicker out on Rog, putting more pressure on him.

So if we win the collisions tomorrow we’ll get quick ball to Sexton and the outside backs and score tries. But if we lose out in the contact area again – then everything falls apart and we’re in trouble.

John Hayes -100 Caps

John Hayes - 100 caps and worthy of every one of them. What a player and what a terrific guy. So many people were asking this week what makes Bull such a hero - well I’ll start with his true professionalism.

John is the most professional guy I’ve ever played with, bar none. His punctuality, his injury prevention exercises, his rehab, his diet, his knowledge of the game, his analysis of the oppositions set-piece before matches . . . everything he does is to the best of his ability.

I don’t think I ever remember a time when John forgot a lineout call or didn’t know the call in the scrum or a move around the park. He is an extremely savvy guy and this is down to his work ethic and desire.

To top it all off he’s as nice a guy you could wish to meet off the pitch. It is an issue for Ireland that we don’t seem to have an able replacement for him in the future. But let’s forget that for the moment and all enjoy watching a true sporting legend lead Ireland out in Twickenham tomorrow!
 
Based on what you've posted here at various times, you fellas in the Republic do seem blessed with good rugby writing.
 
That's a good start, but not a guarantee. Gerald Davies writes for the "Sunday Times" over here and you'll never read a bigger load of wordy, starry-eyed, almost Romanticised bullshit in your life. He's the Tomkins of union.
 
Well, as per this championship Wales only turned up for the 2nd half. It´s a shame the competition is based over the combined scores of both halves otherwise we´d be runaway winners.

I s´pose it makes it exciting.
 
Another France victory almost entirely built on opposition errors. That said, having a magnificent defence forces errors but it ain't typical French rugby, is it?

Really enjoyed the Welsh comeback. Some dreadful kicks from Byrne though when Wales had them pinned back.
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=38718.msg1060873#msg1060873 date=1267222923]
Another France victory almost entirely built on opposition errors. That said, having a magnificent defence forces errors but it ain't typical French rugby, is it?

Really enjoyed the Welsh comeback. Some dreadful kicks from Byrne though when Wales had them pinned back.
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Yeah, that's been the story of our championship so far - way too many unforced errors, silly penalties given away and yesterday a ten minute spot of woeful kicking when we had the French on the rack. I really thought they were there for the taking at the time, which given that we had been 0-20 down at half time was some achievment.

Ah well, there's always next year. Hopefully it may come together before we play your mob.
 
Magnificent second half from Wales, though Lee Byrne (of all people) will not want to remember those kicks which took the wind out of the Welsh sails at a crucial time. Wrong decision for MOTM in my book - I'd have given it to Bradley Davies. Goodness knows why this Welsh team has to have its backs to the wall before it begins to motor properly - though Heaven knows that's a question we've also had to ask ourselves about LFC too often this season.
 
I actually want to kill the french number 9. Smug cunt. I hate him. Won't even write the bastards name.
 
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=38718.msg1060974#msg1060974 date=1267272793]
I actually want to kill the french number 9. Smug cunt. I hate him. Can't even spell the bastards name.
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Quite.
 
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=38718.msg1058092#msg1058092 date=1266856187]
Bryn me ol' mucker, what do think about laying Scotland beating the Iti's on Sunday? Should Scotland even be favourites? Thy're about 1.68 on Betfair and I'm toying with the idea of laying it.
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Bryndaloo talked me out of this bet last night so I've sold out for a small loss, he better be right about the Scots winning.
 
[quote author=Dancing Brave link=topic=38718.msg1061003#msg1061003 date=1267275297]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=38718.msg1058092#msg1058092 date=1266856187]
Bryn me ol' mucker, what do think about laying Scotland beating the Iti's on Sunday? Should Scotland even be favourites? Thy're about 1.68 on Betfair and I'm toying with the idea of laying it.
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Bryndaloo talked me out of this bet last night so I've sold out for a small loss, he better be right about the Scots winning.
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Oops.
 
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[quote author=Dancing Brave link=topic=38718.msg1061003#msg1061003 date=1267275297]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=38718.msg1058092#msg1058092 date=1266856187]
Bryn me ol' mucker, what do think about laying Scotland beating the Iti's on Sunday? Should Scotland even be favourites? Thy're about 1.68 on Betfair and I'm toying with the idea of laying it.
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Bryndaloo talked me out of this bet last night so I've sold out for a small loss, he better be right about the Scots winning.
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Oops.
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Clinical finish from the Irish.

England were playing an expansive game, quick turnover and they were all over the place.
 
Jesus fuck, now Brian Moore has achieved his key stage 1 spaz Ref badge, he's constantly having a go at the referee.

He may be right sometimes, but fuck me it's boring.
 
Superb bit of play by Sexton with the grubber and Bowe did the simple thing very well.

England's pick and go game around the ruck is very good though so they'll develop good chances throughout this game by sucking in our defence that way.
 
Yeah, I said in the opening game that England looked strong attacking around the fringes.

The ball seems to be spilling out quite a lot though. Little mistakes like that can undo a huge amount of forward work.

England pick up some deserved points

3-5

Good game, shit atmosphere.
 
Ferris is a beast. I don't know how me makes so many tackles, hits loads of rucks and then still makes himself available to carry ball.
 
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