Depends on who we replace them with.
Simon Mignolet - signing confirmed
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Depends on who we replace them with.
It seems to me that unless Reina wants to leave this is all a bit unnecessary.
Perhaps the powers that be feel that he's not justifying his 100K a week salary (or whatever it is) and are going to sign someone to push him out the door.
Either way, I hope we've done our homework. There does seem to be a fair bit of choice as far as signing a decent goalkeeper goes so it'd be a bit frustrating if we spend 10M on the wrong one.
Perhaps the powers that be feel that he's not justifying his 100K a week salary (or whatever it is) and are going to sign someone to push him out the door.
Either way, I hope we've done our homework. There does seem to be a fair bit of choice as far as signing a decent goalkeeper goes so it'd be a bit frustrating if we spend 10M on the wrong one.
Thats the one thanks. He had a good season.
Not really. Reina is nowhere near as good or consistent as he was a few years back when he was saving penalties on a regular basis. Very poor two seasons ago and upped his game more this season. But you could see he was overweight when the season started which I found shocking and showed me a lack of desire. Then he starts to make more of an effort, and I think it was because he thought valdes was gonna leave in the summer and wanted to get his move to barca.
I like Mignolet. Has all the qualities to become a very good GK.
Sounds like Reina is on his way out and Mignolet is his replacement.
As Keni says I hope we've done our homework and are certain he's the player we want and need.
Belgian media and the local reporters in Sunderland are reporting it, sounds close.
Sounds like Reina is on his way out and Mignolet is his replacement.
As Keni says I hope we've done our homework and are certain he's the player we want and need.
Belgian media and the local reporters in Sunderland are reporting it, sounds close.
Any number 2 keeper is a massive waste of money these days. They hardly ever play ANY level of football, not even reserve football, and they just sit on the bench. If that happened, knowingly, to an outfield player people would be up in arms. The only way to justify the expense is either to buy a young keeper who will at least learn on the job or promote a young keeper from the youth set-up. There's no logic in buying a genuinely good keeper from another club because if he's willing to be a number 2 his attitude is shite. So the talk coming out of the club that the idea is to keep Reina AND buy this keeper must surely be nonsense. And I don't have any faith in the notion of a number 2 'putting pressure' on the first choice keeper - you either stick with your first choice or you bin him. When Souey was playing musical chairs with James, Friedel and Hooper the only thing he accomplished was wrecking all three players' self-belief.
of course
At the time we wouldn't have known it but looking back I think it's obvious Reina was better than Dudek.
Reina was better when we signed him than he is now too
He wasn't unknown quality though, having played 3 full seasons with Villarreal then. It will be interesting if we can find comments back then regarding the signing of Reina because I remember reading comments doubting his abilities and about his failed Barca spell back then. Don't think he got many fans excited, nor was great things expected of him.
I think football has become far more globalized in recent years due to the development of Internet and other factors. These days we have YouTube, streaming sites, blogs, forums and even the mainstream media outlets seem to cover foreign football more than they used to.
Has this made us more informed as fans? Perhaps a topic in it's own right.
No doubt about it mate, but I was refering more at the club's scouting point of view. All in all, just think its silly to write of players just because they are from a smaller club or less reputable than other players/targets. That's my only point actually. 🙂 I haven't watch enough of Sunderland to be rooting for his signing.
On a sidenote, videos put up by his management company:
What do you mean by that? Slightly salted with a high cocoa content?
No he isn't - He's a bloody good keeper that has been playing for a shit team.
This is terrible news if true, he's no better a keeper than Reina, but where Reina is world class is as a sweeper, passing the ball to the defence and occasionally setting up an attack with a quick throw - either way hardly ever conceding possession and allowing us to build from the back. Mignolet from what I've seen ( quite alot ) panicks with the ball at his feet and is a hoofer - just what our midfield and attack needs as they are all pretty average headers of a ball. A complete waste of money unless Reina is agitating for a move, I despair I really do.
@tony - You have to think of it in a different way. No one is disputing what Reina has done but the fact is he would want to go to Barca - If Valdes leaves which seems likely then Reina is a good replacement. We get a good fee for a player in his 30's. I'm surprised you don't rate Mignolet. He seems a good solid keeper from what I've seen. This article sums it up little for me.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ds-would-be-wise-to-sell-pepe-reina-in-summer
Liverpool Transfer News: Reds Would Be Wise to Sell Pepe Reina in Summer
JOSEPH ZUCKER
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Pepe Reina has been a loyal servant of Liverpool since arriving in 2005. The time has probably come, though, for both parties to go their separate ways.
Speculation has been rife this summer that Reina will be off to Barcelona. It was the club where he started his career, and an opening might be there if Victor Valdeseventually leaves, as John Cross of Mirror Football notes is possible.
Liverpool aren't beating around the bush and waiting for Reina to make a decision, as the Daily Mail's Joe Bernstein reported they are looking at Sunderland's SimonMignolet as a replacement.
Reina has made it clear that he is perfectly happy to remain at Anfield, and the only club he would move to is Barcelona: "I have a contract at Liverpool and I feel valued there. The only reason I would plan to move elsewhere is if there was interest in me from Barcelona."
While it would be sad to see him leave, the club would be making a good decision by profiting off Reina now.
Even with his affinity for Barca out in the open, the Reds would realistically still be able to get a fee in the range of £12-20 million for him.
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In the future, his value is only going to drop. While goalkeepers do remain on top form longer than outfield players, Reina is 30 years old. It's not like he's got another seven to 10 years to offer a new club. If the Reds are going to pull the trigger on any sale, they need to do it while Reina is still valuable.
From about 2006-09, Reina was one of the best goalkeepers in the world. He would make fantastic saves, and his distribution was second to none.
Over the last couple of seasons, though, the Spaniard has started to fall off little by little. It's not as if he has completely fallen off a cliff and is a terrible keeper now.
No one could argue, though, that Reina is still the player he was when Liverpool was qualifying for the Champions League.
Reina has always been prone to a howler. That percentage seems to have risen in recent years. Mistakes are bound to happen, and with goalkeepers, they're magnified. With Reina, they happen a little too often now to be explained away by bad luck.
Save percentage is also a big problem. Andrew Beasley had a nice post on Bass Tuned to Red that pointed out how Reina's save percentage has dropped pretty much every season since 2005-06. His save percentage continued declining in 2012-13, only reaching 67.6 percent, which would be the lowest it's been since Reina moved to Anfield. He also had the second highest goals against average of his Liverpool career.
Supporters can argue that Mignolet or Asmir Begovic aren't the kind of goalkeepers who are good enough to get Liverpool back into the Champions League. While those concerns have a certain amount of validity, the same questions should be asked about Reina as well.
At a certain point, you have to start objectively evaluating a player based on what he is doing now and not his reputation. Given his recent performances, there's nothing that would make you think Reina is going to return to form. He'll remain a good goalkeeper, but he'll also be continuing his downward trajectory.
At least someone like Mignolet or Begovic is younger and is bound to improve.
The transfer of Reina would be a sentimental loss for Liverpool, but it could actually turn out to be an improvement on the pitch.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ds-would-be-wise-to-sell-pepe-reina-in-summer
Liverpool Transfer News: Reds Would Be Wise to Sell Pepe Reina in Summer
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JOSEPH ZUCKER
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Pepe Reina has been a loyal servant of Liverpool since arriving in 2005. The time has probably come, though, for both parties to go their separate ways.
Speculation has been rife this summer that Reina will be off to Barcelona. It was the club where he started his career, and an opening might be there if Victor Valdeseventually leaves, as John Cross of Mirror Football notes is possible.
Liverpool aren't beating around the bush and waiting for Reina to make a decision, as the Daily Mail's Joe Bernstein reported they are looking at Sunderland's SimonMignolet as a replacement.
Reina has made it clear that he is perfectly happy to remain at Anfield, and the only club he would move to is Barcelona: "I have a contract at Liverpool and I feel valued there. The only reason I would plan to move elsewhere is if there was interest in me from Barcelona."
While it would be sad to see him leave, the club would be making a good decision by profiting off Reina now.
Even with his affinity for Barca out in the open, the Reds would realistically still be able to get a fee in the range of £12-20 million for him.
In the future, his value is only going to drop. While goalkeepers do remain on top form longer than outfield players, Reina is 30 years old. It's not like he's got another seven to 10 years to offer a new club. If the Reds are going to pull the trigger on any sale, they need to do it while Reina is still valuable.
From about 2006-09, Reina was one of the best goalkeepers in the world. He would make fantastic saves, and his distribution was second to none.
Over the last couple of seasons, though, the Spaniard has started to fall off little by little. It's not as if he has completely fallen off a cliff and is a terrible keeper now.
No one could argue, though, that Reina is still the player he was when Liverpool was qualifying for the Champions League.
Reina has always been prone to a howler. That percentage seems to have risen in recent years. Mistakes are bound to happen, and with goalkeepers, they're magnified. With Reina, they happen a little too often now to be explained away by bad luck.
Save percentage is also a big problem. Andrew Beasley had a nice post on Bass Tuned to Red that pointed out how Reina's save percentage has dropped pretty much every season since 2005-06. His save percentage continued declining in 2012-13, only reaching 67.6 percent, which would be the lowest it's been since Reina moved to Anfield. He also had the second highest goals against average of his Liverpool career.
Supporters can argue that Mignolet or Asmir Begovic aren't the kind of goalkeepers who are good enough to get Liverpool back into the Champions League. While those concerns have a certain amount of validity, the same questions should be asked about Reina as well.
At a certain point, you have to start objectively evaluating a player based on what he is doing now and not his reputation. Given his recent performances, there's nothing that would make you think Reina is going to return to form. He'll remain a good goalkeeper, but he'll also be continuing his downward trajectory.
At least someone like Mignolet or Begovic is younger and is bound to improve.
The transfer of Reina would be a sentimental loss for Liverpool, but it could actually turn out to be an improvement on the pitch.
in essence we are paying 10m for a goalie who is not as good as our current goalie who will probably go for 8m. Doesn't make sense.
He is 6 years younger if that helps.
The reason for the fee differential is their respective ages, which also mean that Mignolet's value will increase provided we do well, whereas Pepe's will decline whatever happens. By itself that's not sufficient reason to do the swap, but it is a major factor to be considered.
I was all for selling Reina earlier in the season, but his improvement late on made me think he could have a couple of years more before moving on.
Losing Carra and Reina does a lot to our defensive experience and two very vocal players.
On the other hand, Reinas value is decreasing and his quality these days are not worthy of 110k a week salary.
If this happens, we better hope Mignolet is the right player.
Losing Carra and Reina does a lot to our defensive experience and two very vocal players.
On the other hand, Reinas value is decreasing and his quality these days are not worthy of 110k a week salary.
If this happens, we better hope Mignolet is the right player.
we're not wigan, its not about who has more value in money terms, WHO IS BETTER? easy question, easy answer.
Indeed. If the figures are to be believed, he's on £100k/wk too. We'll have to find a replacement sooner or later and if we can fund it with his sale, it does make sense - as long as the replacement is worthy, that is.
Red mara, you're oversimplifying again. We're not sufficiently minted to take that attitude - we HAVE to think of the money side as well. I'm in no hurry to see Pepe go, but it's wrong to pretend there wouldn't be an upside if he decides to do so.
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