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The media are quoting various figures between £40 and £50million as being what we will lose out on this season due to the CL exit. The American's have obviously secured their loan against projected incomes, without this income are they able to pay back?

One of the fears is obviously that they might start selling off players, which could prove tough for them especially if Rafa rallies the players to sit tight on their contracts and force the hands of the owners to sell. Plus from a business perceptive, this season must have shown them that selling off big players/assets will make the club weaker and mean we miss out on financial rewards such as the CL.

I'm taking the teeny tiny positive from last night, I think it's gonna force their hand, and they will sell by January.
 
Can't see it been 40-50..


[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=37426.msg998383#msg998383 date=1259145214]
The media are quoting various figures between £40 and £50million as being what we will lose out on this season due to the CL exit. The American's have obviously secured their loan against projected incomes, without this income are they able to pay back?

One of the fears is obviously that they might start selling off players, which could prove tough for them especially if Rafa rallies the players to sit tight on their contracts and force the hands of the owners to sell. Plus from a business perceptive, this season must have shown them that selling off big players/assets will make the club weaker and mean we miss out on financial rewards such as the CL.

I'm taking the teeny tiny positive from last night, I think it's gonna force their hand, and they will sell by January.
[/quote] Hope so but doubt it..
 
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=37426.msg998383#msg998383 date=1259145214]
The media are quoting various figures between £40 and £50million as being what we will lose out on this season due to the CL exit. The American's have obviously secured their loan against projected incomes, without this income are they able to pay back?

One of the fears is obviously that they might start selling off players, which could prove tough for them especially if Rafa rallies the players to sit tight on their contracts and force the hands of the owners to sell. Plus from a business perceptive, this season must have shown them that selling off big players/assets will make the club weaker and mean we miss out on financial rewards such as the CL.

I'm taking the teeny tiny positive from last night, I think it's gonna force their hand, and they will sell by January.
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It depends on what they sell. Hopefully it will not be Mr Torres.
 
We sold Alonso, they were probably rubbing their hands together with glee that the thought of that £30million, but we've suffered, and from speculated figures, they gained £30million but are arguably losing £40million, hasn't proved financially wise for them.

They must recognise selling assets, and they will look towards Torres as he is our biggest asset, is gonna make us even less of a money maker. We struggling to qualify for the CL and get beyond the Group stages with him here. They must see that, even if purely from a money making point of view.
 
They'll be uproar at the mere suggestion of Torres leaving. In fact the squad's so bare the only players we can realistically get rid are Dossena and Voronin.

They should sell-up and move on. There's nothing for them here but bitterness and discontent.
 
Whatever anyone says about the Yanks they are businessmen and would surely not see the sense in selling off our assets. They will want to protect their investment as much as possible.
Essentially our top players are our only assets.

If they are in as much financial trouble as is reported they may see that their best bet is to sell up sooner rather than later. They would probably make a profit now, albeit not as big a one as they would have liked.
 
If Torres goes, so will Rafa. How positive is that for those wanting him sacked?
 
How about this for silver lining, we can only play Chelsea a maximum of two more times this season.
 
[quote author=Bradley link=topic=37426.msg998576#msg998576 date=1259160784]
How about this for silver lining, we can only play Chelsea a maximum of two more times this season.
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What about cup replays?
 
I don't think they will get away with selling Torres though. Rafa can play it real smart with his players, especially those like Torres, who he seemingly has a good relationship with. He can encourage players to sit tight on their contracts, he still plays them week in week out. If they want to stay at the club, Rafa can convince them that they and he will out live the owners at Liverpool.

I'm no Rafa lover, but if he was smart, that's how he'd play it. If they can't sell the assets off, they'll have to sell the whole thing.
 
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37426.msg998579#msg998579 date=1259161020]
[quote author=Bradley link=topic=37426.msg998576#msg998576 date=1259160784]
How about this for silver lining, we can only play Chelsea a maximum of two more times this season.
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What about cup replays?
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I like that positive attitude, if we get drawn against Chelsea we might scrape a draw.
 
You get about £2m per round after the group stages in the CL and the winner gets £8m.

Say we reach the semi finals again, we'd have lost out on £6m. Although if we won the Europa cup we'd get £2.6 so it'd be more like £4m down the shitter.

That's without TV £££.

Apparently servicing the debt costs the club £35M a season, if we get £20M odd from qualifying for the CL plus the extra £5 odd from finishing in the top 4, we'll be out of pocket big time next season, if we don't qualify.
 
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=37426.msg998588#msg998588 date=1259162059]
You get about £2m per round after the group stages in the CL and the winner gets £8m.

Say we reach the semi finals again, we'd have lost out on £6m. Although if we won the Europa cup we'd get £2.6 so it'd be more like £4m down the shitter.

That's without TV £££.

Apparently servicing the debt costs the club £35M a season, if we get £20M odd from qualifying for the CL plus the extra £5 odd from finishing in the top 4, we'll be out of pocket big time next season, if we don't qualify.
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Purslow said if we play 2 (or 3 can't remember which) games in the Europa league we'll make as much money as we did last year in the CL.

The debt has been reduced it's estimated that to service it this year will cost 25m excluding arrangement fees.
 
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=37426.msg998383#msg998383 date=1259145214]
The media are quoting various figures between £40 and £50million as being what we will lose out on this season due to the CL exit. The American's have obviously secured their loan against projected incomes, without this income are they able to pay back?

One of the fears is obviously that they might start selling off players, which could prove tough for them especially if Rafa rallies the players to sit tight on their contracts and force the hands of the owners to sell. Plus from a business perceptive, this season must have shown them that selling off big players/assets will make the club weaker and mean we miss out on financial rewards such as the CL.

I'm taking the teeny tiny positive from last night, I think it's gonna force their hand, and they will sell by January.
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Ok this is something I dont understand. How did we miss out on 40 to 50 million this season from not making the last 16? Obviously we've lost out on some money but did someone pull this figure out of their arse?
For instance, if we got through to the last 16 and then got knocked out....how much did we stand to lose then?
Or is it a case that each of the last 16 teams will each gain at least 40 million each from getting through for just one more round (bollox)!! When the winners only get 8.5 million (with obvious bonuses along the way). Maybe with tv rights we might make extra but are we really going to make that much more when every CL game is on tv. It seems to me that journalists are pulling huge figures out of their respective arses to make us seem doomed again.

I'd be more interested in what Purslow says in that if we play 2 rounds of the europa league then we are exactly where we want to be financially!! That would seem more likely as some reports suggest that Bremen got more for winning the uefa cup last year than Bayern for making the last 8 in the CL.

But then again if somebody has exact facts of how much we stand to lose then please enlighten me because all ive been reading all day seems like everybody's been making up their own figures!!
 
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=37426.msg998383#msg998383 date=1259145214]
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I'm taking the teeny tiny positive from last night, I think it's gonna force their hand, and they will sell by January.
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Do you really think that's how it works??
 
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=37426.msg998871#msg998871 date=1259184514]
Evidently.

Isn't that the point of posting your opinion?
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No.

Because the yanks can't just decide to sell and then instantly a buyer will appear out of nowhere and pay 400million in the middle of a global recession. Have a bit of common sense.
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=37426.msg998421#msg998421 date=1259147436]
Whatever anyone says about the Yanks they are businessmen and would surely not see the sense in selling off our assets. They will want to protect their investment as much as possible.
Essentially our top players are our only assets.

If they are in as much financial trouble as is reported they may see that their best bet is to sell up sooner rather than later. They would probably make a profit now, albeit not as big a one as they would have liked.
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I hope what you say is true. However, the parallels between Hicks association with Corinthians and LFC are similar. It is like history being repeated - promise of a new stadium, initial purchase of expensive players, followed by asset stripping. In fact it is the same with the Rangers also. However in the Rangers case, the MLB have bailed them out for a year. Thats what saved their asses.
 
[quote author=Doc_Rule link=topic=37426.msg998910#msg998910 date=1259185769]
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=37426.msg998871#msg998871 date=1259184514]
Evidently.

Isn't that the point of posting your opinion?
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No.

Because the yanks can't just decide to sell and then instantly a buyer will appear out of nowhere and pay 400million in the middle of a global recession. Have a bit of common sense.
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Hmm. You still haven't answered my question. You asked "Do you really think that's how it works??" and proceeded to tell me your opinion unrelated to that.

Shall we try again?
 
An opinion that the Yanks are going to make a snap decision to sell and magically a buyer will appear is more or a retardation than an opinion.
 
[quote author=Doc_Rule link=topic=37426.msg998985#msg998985 date=1259187400]
An opinion that the Yanks are going to make a snap decision to sell and magically a buyer will appear is more or a retardation than an opinion.
[/quote]

Neither of them are 'yanks'. You do realise that, don't you, dunderhead?
 
[quote author=Doc_Rule link=topic=37426.msg998985#msg998985 date=1259187400]
An opinion that the Yanks are going to make a snap decision to sell and magically a buyer will appear is more or a retardation than an opinion.
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I was under the impression they both hired quite expensive intermediaries to sell, at least part, of their investment in LFC? Hardly a snap decision!

The sharks have been circling for nearly a year.
 
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37426.msg998996#msg998996 date=1259187632]
Neither of them are 'yanks'. You do realise that, don't you, dunderhead?
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So why isn't Hicks a Yank? I'm obviously missing something - sorry :-[

Or are Yanks from the North only?
 
[quote author=Dee link=topic=37426.msg998998#msg998998 date=1259187754]
[quote author=Doc_Rule link=topic=37426.msg998985#msg998985 date=1259187400]
An opinion that the Yanks are going to make a snap decision to sell and magically a buyer will appear is more or a retardation than an opinion.
[/quote]

I was under the impression they both hired quite expensive intermediaries to sell, at least part, of their investment in LFC? Hardly a snap decision!

The sharks have been circling for nearly a year.
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They are trying to find a buyer but can't. Hence, they are not just going to announce their intention to sell and a buyer is going to appear out of thin air.
 
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37426.msg998996#msg998996 date=1259187632]
[quote author=Doc_Rule link=topic=37426.msg998985#msg998985 date=1259187400]
An opinion that the Yanks are going to make a snap decision to sell and magically a buyer will appear is more or a retardation than an opinion.
[/quote]

Neither of them are 'yanks'. You do realise that, don't you, dunderhead?
[/quote]

George Gillett, American, Born in Wisconsin
Tom Hicks, American, Born in Texas

There could be an argument made for Hicks not being a yank as he's not from the north of the US. But Gillett is.

So a yank and a redneck. Does that work for you?
 
[quote author=Doc_Rule link=topic=37426.msg999002#msg999002 date=1259187888]
They are trying to find a buyer but can't. Hence, they are not just going to announce their intention to sell and a buyer is going to appear out of thin air.
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Like the (UK) domestic housing market, there are buyers out there but not for 2007 prices
 
Well that's very true. But they don't seem willing to sell at a lower price, hence they are trying to sell parts of it at inflated prices.
 
You've managed to divert away from the point; again.

If you don't want to come to terms with your own frailties and insecurities, that's perfectly fine.

Subjecting anyone else to them isn't.
 
[quote author=Doc_Rule link=topic=37426.msg999007#msg999007 date=1259188177]
Well that's very true. But they don't seem willing to sell at a lower price, hence they are trying to sell parts of it at inflated prices.
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But if they did look for a buyer at a current market price you agree that there'd be interest?
 
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