Silva or Tevez?

[phantomjoy]

[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=33463.msg878278#msg878278 date=1243595828]
I hope United sign Tevez. We know what they're getting with him. A solid, hardworking striker. With talk of them letting him go and instead getting Benzema. Now, that would be VERY concerning.
[/quote]

we seem to be under this misconception that if the scum buy benzema, he will be a world beater. remember he might just flop like berbatov. in fact berbatov had already played in the epl. if they want to buy benzema let them. they will have the same problem they have now. fitting 4 into 2.

 

[ibromurph]

[quote author=phantomjoy link=topic=33463.msg878290#msg878290 date=1243596612]
[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=33463.msg878278#msg878278 date=1243595828]
I hope United sign Tevez. We know what they're getting with him. A solid, hardworking striker. With talk of them letting him go and instead getting Benzema. Now, that would be VERY concerning.
[/quote]

we seem to be under this misconception that if the scum buy benzema, he will be a world beater. remember he might just flop like berbatov. in fact berbatov had already played in the epl. if they want to buy benzema let them. they will have the same problem they have now. fitting 4 into 2.
[/quote]

Benzema is stronger, faster & has a better touch than Tevez. There are some players that you can just tell can play in any league.

He's tailor made for the premiership:

PACE - Check.
STRENGTH - Check.
INTELLIGENCE - Check.
TECHNIQUE - Check.
WORKRATE - Check.

I've never known an attacking player with those 5 attributes NOT to do well in the Premiership and whilst it seems so simple/simplified, it's actually hard finding strikers who possess all 5 attributes.

 

[SummerOnions]

[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=33463.msg878283#msg878283 date=1243596323]
There aren't many out and out LW players in Europe. Is Silva a proper LW player? Forgive me if I'm talking shit, but to be a true 'wingy winger' (TM Doc_Mac), I think pace is something of a requisite. You know, the sort of thing we see in Ronaldo, Ribery, and (down a notch) Lennon or SWP. If we buy Silva, wouldn't his most natural position be in the area SG and Kuyt occupy?
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I think someone with a left foot would be ideal.(Obviously they had 2 legs, but their left foot was the stronger of the two)

 

[TheBunnyman]

[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=33463.msg878298#msg878298 date=1243597569]
[quote author=phantomjoy link=topic=33463.msg878290#msg878290 date=1243596612]
[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=33463.msg878278#msg878278 date=1243595828]
I hope United sign Tevez. We know what they're getting with him. A solid, hardworking striker. With talk of them letting him go and instead getting Benzema. Now, that would be VERY concerning.
[/quote]

we seem to be under this misconception that if the scum buy benzema, he will be a world beater. remember he might just flop like berbatov. in fact berbatov had already played in the epl. if they want to buy benzema let them. they will have the same problem they have now. fitting 4 into 2.
[/quote]

Benzema is stronger, faster & has a better touch than Tevez. There are some players that you can just tell can play in any league.

He's tailor made for the premiership:

PACE - Check.
STRENGTH - Check.
INTELLIGENCE - Check.
TECHNIQUE - Check.
WORKRATE - Check.

I've never known an attacking player with those 5 attributes NOT to do well in the Premiership and whilst it seems so simple/simplified, it's actually hard finding strikers who possess all 5 attributes.
[/quote]

Look, I'm Karim's biggest fan, but a) he's not THAT fast, and b) he can be a lazy sod at times. Both his fitness levels and his attitude are also slightly suspect: the scary thing is that, with the right manager and environment, he could be maybe 50% better than he is already.

The real problem United would have if they signed him is that he's so similar to Berbatov. Not only do they play the same position, but they even have a very similar style. I think Benzema has more to his game, but I still don't see how they could play together.

 

[TheBunnyman]

[quote author=Gareth link=topic=33463.msg878304#msg878304 date=1243597865]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=33463.msg878283#msg878283 date=1243596323]
There aren't many out and out LW players in Europe. Is Silva a proper LW player? Forgive me if I'm talking shit, but to be a true 'wingy winger' (TM Doc_Mac), I think pace is something of a requisite. You know, the sort of thing we see in Ronaldo, Ribery, and (down a notch) Lennon or SWP. If we buy Silva, wouldn't his most natural position be in the area SG and Kuyt occupy?
[/quote]

I think someone with a left foot would be ideal.(Obviously they had 2 legs, but their left foot was the stronger of the two)
[/quote]

Silva generally plays LW or LF or whatever you want to call it Doc. He's not an 'out-and-out' winger, in the sense that Ribery can be, but he's very comfortable in that part of the pitch. If you want a comparison, I'd say Iniesta is the closest you'll find. Silva's touch and vision are not perhaps *quite* at Iniesta's level, but he's young and can definitely improve. If we want to play a quick-passing game, he'd help us a lot more than Tevez, I think.

 

[ibromurph]

[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=33463.msg878308#msg878308 date=1243598197]
[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=33463.msg878298#msg878298 date=1243597569]
[quote author=phantomjoy link=topic=33463.msg878290#msg878290 date=1243596612]
[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=33463.msg878278#msg878278 date=1243595828]
I hope United sign Tevez. We know what they're getting with him. A solid, hardworking striker. With talk of them letting him go and instead getting Benzema. Now, that would be VERY concerning.
[/quote]

we seem to be under this misconception that if the scum buy benzema, he will be a world beater. remember he might just flop like berbatov. in fact berbatov had already played in the epl. if they want to buy benzema let them. they will have the same problem they have now. fitting 4 into 2.
[/quote]

Benzema is stronger, faster & has a better touch than Tevez. There are some players that you can just tell can play in any league.

He's tailor made for the premiership:

PACE - Check.
STRENGTH - Check.
INTELLIGENCE - Check.
TECHNIQUE - Check.
WORKRATE - Check.

I've never known an attacking player with those 5 attributes NOT to do well in the Premiership and whilst it seems so simple/simplified, it's actually hard finding strikers who possess all 5 attributes.
[/quote]

Look, I'm Karim's biggest fan, but a) he's not THAT fast, and b) he can be a lazy sod at times. Both his fitness levels and his attitude are also slightly suspect: the scary thing is that, with the right manager and environment, he could be maybe 50% better than he is already.

The real problem United would have if they signed him is that he's so similar to Berbatov. Not only do they play the same position, but they even have a very similar style. I think Benzema has more to his game, but I still don't see how they could play together.

[/quote]

THAT fast? How fast were you thinking? I didn't mention a speed?

The guy's got good pace.. it doesn't have to be electric like Fernando or Eto'o, but he's no slouch like Kuyt. He's got good acceleration over 10-5m, deceptive pace, which is all you need in the top division. I'm not looking for Usain Bolt. We had him and sold him to Marseille.

As for workrate, again, we're obviously using different measurements.. he's no Kuyt.. but he's no Berbatov either. He's like Henry, he won't be chasing back the ball much in his own half(i'm not a big fan of that anyway), but he'll work the channels and do all the necessary running in the right areas of the pitch.

.. and all this, "I don't see how they could play together" is nonsense.. great players play better with great players especially when they have a top manager guiding them. There was similar talk of how Tevez and Rooney would fit, and talk of where Berbatov would fit in a year late. Ultimately, United have won back to back titles, a CL, a world club cup and league cup rotating with those lot, who apparently "couldn't play together".

.. and the whole "4 in 2", is again, just nonsense.. if you've got the money, then why not have the options? I'm sure Rafa would sooner have the options of 10 in 2, than only have 2 players that we seem to hang all our titles hopes on.

 

[TheBunnyman]

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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=33463.msg878308#msg878308 date=1243598197]
[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=33463.msg878298#msg878298 date=1243597569]
[quote author=phantomjoy link=topic=33463.msg878290#msg878290 date=1243596612]
[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=33463.msg878278#msg878278 date=1243595828]
I hope United sign Tevez. We know what they're getting with him. A solid, hardworking striker. With talk of them letting him go and instead getting Benzema. Now, that would be VERY concerning.
[/quote]

we seem to be under this misconception that if the scum buy benzema, he will be a world beater. remember he might just flop like berbatov. in fact berbatov had already played in the epl. if they want to buy benzema let them. they will have the same problem they have now. fitting 4 into 2.
[/quote]

Benzema is stronger, faster & has a better touch than Tevez. There are some players that you can just tell can play in any league.

He's tailor made for the premiership:

PACE - Check.
STRENGTH - Check.
INTELLIGENCE - Check.
TECHNIQUE - Check.
WORKRATE - Check.

I've never known an attacking player with those 5 attributes NOT to do well in the Premiership and whilst it seems so simple/simplified, it's actually hard finding strikers who possess all 5 attributes.
[/quote]

Look, I'm Karim's biggest fan, but a) he's not THAT fast, and b) he can be a lazy sod at times. Both his fitness levels and his attitude are also slightly suspect: the scary thing is that, with the right manager and environment, he could be maybe 50% better than he is already.

The real problem United would have if they signed him is that he's so similar to Berbatov. Not only do they play the same position, but they even have a very similar style. I think Benzema has more to his game, but I still don't see how they could play together.

[/quote]

THAT fast? How fast were you thinking? I didn't mention a speed?

The guy's got good pace.. it doesn't have to be electric like Fernando or Eto'o, but he's no slouch like Kuyt. He's got good acceleration over 10-5m, deceptive pace, which is all you need in the top division. I'm not looking for Usain Bolt. We had him and sold him to Marseille.

As for workrate, again, we're obviously using different measurements.. he's no Kuyt.. but he's no Berbatov either. He's like Henry, he won't be chasing back the ball much in his own half(i'm not a big fan of that anyway), but he'll work the channels and do all the necessary running in the right areas of the pitch.

.. and all this, "I don't see how they could play together" is nonsense.. great players play better with great players especially when they have a top manager guiding them. There was similar talk of how Tevez and Rooney would fit, and talk of where Berbatov would fit in a year late. Ultimately, United have won back to back titles, a CL, a world club cup and league cup rotating with those lot, who apparently "couldn't play together".

.. and the whole "4 in 2", is again, just nonsense.. if you've got the money, then why not have the options? I'm sure Rafa would sooner have the options of 10 in 2, than only have 2 players that we seem to hang all our titles hopes on.
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Perhaps, but it would still be an extraordinary waste of resources. Benzema would cost a lot more than Tevez, and he'd want to play most games - and to play mostly in his best position, which is no9. Unless Berbatov is going to become a £30m supersub, I don't see how that can happen.

They're already wasting Rooney by playing him out of position. And yes, you can say 'They've won back-to-back titles' etc, but this season what won them the league was their defence, not their multi-million-pound attack. They scored fewer goals than we did, despite our obvious limitations and lack of depth up front. If you keep rotating big players and playing them out of position, eventually they lose patience, as we've seen with Tevez.

I wouldn't want Benzema to go to United because I like him a lot as a player, but I would fear them much more if they bought the kind of striker they don't currently have - a Villa or an Eto'o - rather than another replica of a player already at the club.

 

[ibromurph]

[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=33463.msg878318#msg878318 date=1243599892]
Perhaps, but it would still be an extraordinary waste of resources. Benzema would cost a lot more than Tevez, and he'd want to play most games - and to play mostly in his best position, which is no9. Unless Berbatov is going to become a £30m supersub, I don't see how that can happen.

They're already wasting Rooney by playing him out of position. And yes, you can say 'They've won back-to-back titles' etc, but this season what won them the league was their defence, not their multi-million-pound attack. They scored fewer goals than we did, despite our obvious limitations and lack of depth up front. If you keep rotating big players and playing them out of position, eventually they lose patience, as we've seen with Tevez.

I wouldn't want Benzema to go to United because I like him a lot as a player, but I would fear them much more if they bought the kind of striker they don't currently have - a Villa or an Eto'o - rather than another replica of a player already at the club.
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I don't want to get too far away from my main point here, which has almost been lost.
I'd rather they signed Tevez than any other top young striker frankly, because we (rivals) know what they're getting with Tevez. A good striker but not a spectacular one (as you've attested by their goal return this year). Where we both a agree is that a more forward thinking striker like Villa would be a better fit for their side (I think Benzema would too, but no need to split hairs). But as someone mention WYSIWYG with Tevez and i'm not in awe of his ability. I think we'd have slightly better chance of toppling a Tevez-lead United than a Villa/*top forward*-lead one which was my main point really.

 

[keniget]

Berbatov has arguably already been used as a 30M super-sub this season, hasn't he?

I'm inclined to agree with ibro in that I'd rather they kept Tevez then spent 30M on someone like Villa or Aguero.

 

[Loch Ness Monster]

[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=33463.msg878207#msg878207 date=1243589138]
i'm finding it very hard to choose atm.
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You should never choose atm. Unless you are Singlerider.

 

[SummerOnions]

[quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=33463.msg878377#msg878377 date=1243608890]
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=33463.msg878207#msg878207 date=1243589138]
i'm finding it very hard to choose atm.
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You should never choose atm. Unless you are Singlerider.
[/quote]

ahahahaha

 

[TheBunnyman]

[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=33463.msg878325#msg878325 date=1243600525]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=33463.msg878318#msg878318 date=1243599892]
Perhaps, but it would still be an extraordinary waste of resources. Benzema would cost a lot more than Tevez, and he'd want to play most games - and to play mostly in his best position, which is no9. Unless Berbatov is going to become a £30m supersub, I don't see how that can happen.

They're already wasting Rooney by playing him out of position. And yes, you can say 'They've won back-to-back titles' etc, but this season what won them the league was their defence, not their multi-million-pound attack. They scored fewer goals than we did, despite our obvious limitations and lack of depth up front. If you keep rotating big players and playing them out of position, eventually they lose patience, as we've seen with Tevez.

I wouldn't want Benzema to go to United because I like him a lot as a player, but I would fear them much more if they bought the kind of striker they don't currently have - a Villa or an Eto'o - rather than another replica of a player already at the club.
[/quote]

I don't want to get too far away from my main point here, which has almost been lost.
I'd rather they signed Tevez than any other top young striker frankly, because we (rivals) know what they're getting with Tevez. A good striker but not a spectacular one (as you've attested by their goal return this year). Where we both a agree is that a more forward thinking striker like Villa would be a better fit for their side (I think Benzema would too, but no need to split hairs). But as someone mention WYSIWYG with Tevez and i'm not in awe of his ability. I think we'd have slightly better chance of toppling a Tevez-lead United than a Villa/*top forward*-lead one which was my main point really.
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In which case we agree.

And I think it was me who said WYSIWYG, comparing him to Silva earlier in this thread.

 

[redsx]

It's Silva for me.

 

[phantomjoy]

excuse my ignorance but what does WYSIWYG mean?

 

[peekay]

[quote author=phantomjoy link=topic=33463.msg878559#msg878559 date=1243627432]
excuse my ignorance but what does WYSIWYG mean?
[/quote]

what you see is what you get

 

[rage]

who fits our system on the left of a 4231 better - silva
who has more guile, speed and flair (all the things we're missing in them home draws) - silva

why are we in for tevez - because we'd enjoy getting him from utd even though he isn't what we need.

tevez would fit on the right of a 4231 and occasional second striker better but should we blow 25 million to upgrade on dirk who's just had his best season and signed a new contract?

come on rafa please don't get blinded by tevez like you did with heinze just because you can get a player off utd regardless of whether they're good enough or a priority position.

 

[ibromurph]

I don't think either of these 2 are what we really need. Can't we just Ribery instead?

If not, then the next Ribery, wherever he is.

I mean, his talent there for all to see before he went to Bayern, and we missed the boat. Surely there's someone else knocking around the Spanish, French or Dutch leagues of equal potential who's waiting for a chance to explode onto the big stage? Someone around the 23/4year old mark that won't require a whole season to adapt?

 

[keniget]

If there was anyone of that calibre knocking around, we'd all know about him.

 

[ibromurph]

Keni, I actually wanted your input as you clearly watch a lot of different football.. doesn't anyone come to mind?

I'm not so sure we'd all know (I certainly didn't know about Robben before he came, or Arshavin before the UEFA cup final). Maybe i'm just howling in the wind here, but surely, there is someone out there available (who hasn't been already mentioned here)? The other thread "left-field signing" is probably what i'm getting at here.

Now, I don't watch much French/Italian/Russian football, but surely there is someone out there, of that potential (perhaps not quite there now) that we can still get.

We missed the boat on Arshavin.. is Zhirkov of similar calibre? What's Juan Mata like?

 

[redfromlondon]

[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=33463.msg878648#msg878648 date=1243633981]
Keni, I actually wanted your input as you clearly watch a lot of different football.. doesn't anyone come to mind?

I'm not so sure we'd all know (I certainly didn't know about Robben before he came, or Arshavin before the UEFA cup final). Maybe i'm just howling in the wind here, but surely, there is someone out there available (who hasn't been already mentioned here)? The other thread "left-field signing" is probably what i'm getting at here.

Now, I don't watch much French/Italian/Russian football, but surely there is someone out there, of that potential (perhaps not quite there now) that we can still get.

We missed the boat on Arshavin.. is Zhirkov of similar calibre? What's Juan Mata like?
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Ive seen alot of Zhirkov and he is very, very good. He prodominatly plays LB or attacking Wing back and is very nifty, likes to showboat and has an exception cross on him.

Juan Mata is another Ive noticed and he is also very good, he is versitile as he covers LW, support striker and main striker, he is quick and has a good shot on him. Going to be one for the future.

I know you didnt ask me but Ive been following these two quite alot. Zhirkov as LB of the euros for me. Mata is one for the future, likes a dive thats his main downfall.

 

[ibromurph]

[quote author=redfromlondon link=topic=33463.msg878655#msg878655 date=1243635960]
[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=33463.msg878648#msg878648 date=1243633981]
Keni, I actually wanted your input as you clearly watch a lot of different football.. doesn't anyone come to mind?

I'm not so sure we'd all know (I certainly didn't know about Robben before he came, or Arshavin before the UEFA cup final). Maybe i'm just howling in the wind here, but surely, there is someone out there available (who hasn't been already mentioned here)? The other thread "left-field signing" is probably what i'm getting at here.

Now, I don't watch much French/Italian/Russian football, but surely there is someone out there, of that potential (perhaps not quite there now) that we can still get.

We missed the boat on Arshavin.. is Zhirkov of similar calibre? What's Juan Mata like?
[/quote]

Ive seen alot of Zhirkov and he is very, very good. He prodominatly plays LB or attacking Wing back and is very nifty, likes to showboat and has an exception cross on him.

Juan Mata is another Ive noticed and he is also very good, he is versitile as he covers LW, support striker and main striker, he is quick and has a good shot on him. Going to be one for the future.

I know you didnt ask me but Ive been following these two quite alot. Zhirkov as LB of the euros for me. Mata is one for the future, likes a dive thats his main downfall.
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Hey.. thanks, i'll take any opinion.

I saw Zhirkov in the Euros playing LB and whilst he was good, you can never be quite sure on players based on international tournaments (c.ref Spit the Dog).

As for Mata, i don't even know what he looks like. When you say 'quick' he's not just the spanish version of Downing, is he? If he's anything like Vicente (before the injuries) then surely he'd be worth a look?

Also, what's Diego Capel like from Sevilla.. I've heard his name a couple of times. Is he a left winger? Left footed? quick?
Sevilla have brought through some good players in the past (Ramos, Alves, Adriano, Fabiano, Baptista, Navas, Reyes, etc)

I watched Hulk the other week, and in his 2 games against United. That guy has got ALL the raw physical and technical potential. He's fast, strong, great touch, he can dribble (not kick and run).. it's just a shame he's greedy as fcuk and lacks game intelligence. I wonder whether he's young enough to improve still?

 

[redfromlondon]

[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=33463.msg878659#msg878659 date=1243637050]
[quote author=redfromlondon link=topic=33463.msg878655#msg878655 date=1243635960]
[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=33463.msg878648#msg878648 date=1243633981]
Keni, I actually wanted your input as you clearly watch a lot of different football.. doesn't anyone come to mind?

I'm not so sure we'd all know (I certainly didn't know about Robben before he came, or Arshavin before the UEFA cup final). Maybe i'm just howling in the wind here, but surely, there is someone out there available (who hasn't been already mentioned here)? The other thread "left-field signing" is probably what i'm getting at here.

Now, I don't watch much French/Italian/Russian football, but surely there is someone out there, of that potential (perhaps not quite there now) that we can still get.

We missed the boat on Arshavin.. is Zhirkov of similar calibre? What's Juan Mata like?
[/quote]

Ive seen alot of Zhirkov and he is very, very good. He prodominatly plays LB or attacking Wing back and is very nifty, likes to showboat and has an exception cross on him.

Juan Mata is another Ive noticed and he is also very good, he is versitile as he covers LW, support striker and main striker, he is quick and has a good shot on him. Going to be one for the future.

I know you didnt ask me but Ive been following these two quite alot. Zhirkov as LB of the euros for me. Mata is one for the future, likes a dive thats his main downfall.
[/quote]

Hey.. thanks, i'll take any opinion.

I saw Zhirkov in the Euros playing LB and whilst he was good, you can never be quite sure on players based on international tournaments (c.ref Spit the Dog).

As for Mata, i don't even know what he looks like. When you say 'quick' he's not just the spanish version of Downing, is he? If he's anything like Vicente (before the injuries) then surely he'd be worth a look?

Also, what's Diego Capel like from Sevilla.. I've heard his name a couple of times. Is he a left winger? Left footed? quick?
Sevilla have brought through some good players in the past (Ramos, Alves, Adriano, Fabiano, Baptista, Navas, Reyes, etc)

I watched Hulk the other week, and in his 2 games against United. That guy has got ALL the raw physical and technical potential. He's fast, strong, great touch, he can dribble (not kick and run).. it's just a shame he's greedy as fcuk and lacks game intelligence. I wonder whether he's young enough to improve still?
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Nah Mata is quick, he's got a similar build to Silva (little taller) but looks very good. As I said, he falls over alot but he is defo imo worth a look.

Capel is a bit like Babel for Sevilla, plays lw but a bit of an enigma, in and out fo the team, cant seem to build on what was a promising start. Personally wouldnt go near him til he proves himself but that said, when i have seen him on song, he is very very technically gifted, beats a man, not hugley speedy but very clever and got a good cross on him.

I like Hulk, I really think he is one to watch, he is one footed like a alot of ppl have mentioned but he has a corker of a shot and is very strong on the ball. Temper tantrums seem to be his thing so ould be a risk.

I would love to see us buy Luis Suarez, check him out. He is very skilfull can play striker or lw/rw, has a screamer of a shot. Down side is he is playing in Holland and we all know how hit or miss those boys can be.

 

[ibromurph]

Does Suarez play on the wing of a 4-3-3 or 4-4-2? Would we have another Babel situation on our hands with him, whereby Rafa wouldn't trust him to play on the left of midfield?

That would be my main concern considering a lot of Dutch teams play the 4-3-3 system and being a wide forward has different demands than an orthodox left midfielder.

 

[rebel23]

having thought about it more, if it's one or the other i'd go with Tevez, we need another goal scorer if Torres is out for half the season which is quite possible with confed cup and a 3 week break again i.e exactly the same as last year. I expect there will be lots of games he wouldnt be available for so Tevez would be a good option to have

 

[doctor_mac]

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[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=33463.msg878659#msg878659 date=1243637050]
[quote author=redfromlondon link=topic=33463.msg878655#msg878655 date=1243635960]
[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=33463.msg878648#msg878648 date=1243633981]
Keni, I actually wanted your input as you clearly watch a lot of different football.. doesn't anyone come to mind?

I'm not so sure we'd all know (I certainly didn't know about Robben before he came, or Arshavin before the UEFA cup final). Maybe i'm just howling in the wind here, but surely, there is someone out there available (who hasn't been already mentioned here)? The other thread "left-field signing" is probably what i'm getting at here.

Now, I don't watch much French/Italian/Russian football, but surely there is someone out there, of that potential (perhaps not quite there now) that we can still get.

We missed the boat on Arshavin.. is Zhirkov of similar calibre? What's Juan Mata like?
[/quote]

Ive seen alot of Zhirkov and he is very, very good. He prodominatly plays LB or attacking Wing back and is very nifty, likes to showboat and has an exception cross on him.

Juan Mata is another Ive noticed and he is also very good, he is versitile as he covers LW, support striker and main striker, he is quick and has a good shot on him. Going to be one for the future.

I know you didnt ask me but Ive been following these two quite alot. Zhirkov as LB of the euros for me. Mata is one for the future, likes a dive thats his main downfall.
[/quote]

Hey.. thanks, i'll take any opinion.

I saw Zhirkov in the Euros playing LB and whilst he was good, you can never be quite sure on players based on international tournaments (c.ref Spit the Dog).

As for Mata, i don't even know what he looks like. When you say 'quick' he's not just the spanish version of Downing, is he? If he's anything like Vicente (before the injuries) then surely he'd be worth a look?

Also, what's Diego Capel like from Sevilla.. I've heard his name a couple of times. Is he a left winger? Left footed? quick?
Sevilla have brought through some good players in the past (Ramos, Alves, Adriano, Fabiano, Baptista, Navas, Reyes, etc)

I watched Hulk the other week, and in his 2 games against United. That guy has got ALL the raw physical and technical potential. He's fast, strong, great touch, he can dribble (not kick and run).. it's just a shame he's greedy as fcuk and lacks game intelligence. I wonder whether he's young enough to improve still?
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Nah Mata is quick, he's got a similar build to Silva (little taller) but looks very good. As I said, he falls over alot but he is defo imo worth a look.

Capel is a bit like Babel for Sevilla, plays lw but a bit of an enigma, in and out fo the team, cant seem to build on what was a promising start. Personally wouldnt go near him til he proves himself but that said, when i have seen him on song, he is very very technically gifted, beats a man, not hugley speedy but very clever and got a good cross on him.

I like Hulk, I really think he is one to watch, he is one footed like a alot of ppl have mentioned but he has a corker of a shot and is very strong on the ball. Temper tantrums seem to be his thing so ould be a risk.

I would love to see us buy Luis Suarez, check him out. He is very skilfull can play striker or lw/rw, has a screamer of a shot. Down side is he is playing in Holland and we all know how hit or miss those boys can be.


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This was all gravy in the Left-field signing thread. Wasted it in here.

 

[keniget]

Ibro, I'm sure there are some decent players out there, but I don't know if anyone quite has "world star" written all over them in the same way Ribery did at Marseille.

I quite liked the look of Menez before he moved to Roma and although I've not seen much of him, heard that he's had a bit of a mixed year. Hope he does well though.

I was hugely impressed with Eljero Elia for FC Twente when I saw them play against Man City. He played on the left wing, looked lightning, good on the ball and went past players like they weren't there. I have only ever seen that one game however. It seems to be his team-mate Arnautovi? that is being linked to big clubs though.

Capel was a bit of a diving head down merchant last time I saw him (which admittedly was some time ago). Wouldn't be excited to be linked with him.

Shaktar had a 20 year old Brazilian called Willian who was playing wide left in the UEFA Cup final. He looked tiny, but was fast and quite decent. I imagine that he's very raw in general though and not at all ready for another move. Maybe rurikbird would be able to provide further insight.

Is Di Maria any good at Benfica? Young Argie that plays on the left.

 

[TheBunnyman]

I don't think buying a raw talent is going to help us - look what happened to Babel. We need someone top-class who can slot in to that LWF role. Why look beyond Silva when he's almost certainly going to be available and probably wants to join all his mates here?

 

[Squiggles]

I've been keen on signing Silva for the last two seasons so I'm pushed into a corner here.

I like my flanks to be have contrasting qualities and that's what Silva provide over Tevez, who is very much like Kuyt but arguably a bit quicker and more skilful.

Silva is also a natural candidate with the LWF position but has the versatility to play anywhere in the forward line and has heaps of potential. He's also not tainted with the United love-fest.

Silva is without doubt the riskier transfer but it's one we should take.