Yeah that's what Woland said too. I don't remember but as I said Blanc was supposed to be an upgrade - look how that worked out 🙂
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Ya Woland always has the inside scope Dunc should have paid him back in his Koptalk days 😀
He did though over and over again.
Do you forget the ‘you can’t win anything with kids’ quote? It was accompanied with question marks over selling established stars in the team.
Anyway we disagree all good.
Main point is that it will be interesting to see who and when Klopp starts to build his new team around and who he sells in the process.
Recently we’ve done well selling by and large selling Coutinho Suarez and Torres.
That was a weird sell. I remember Ferguson blaming Beckham for losing to Real when he only brought him on and he scored two but missed a free kick near the end. 4-3 I think with a fat Ronaldo Hat trick
Bacon face is arguably the most well-known manager in the history of football for selling his star players you fucking halfwit
Beckham, Ince, Hughes, Kanchelskis, Stam, McGrath, Tevez, Keane, Strachan, Ronaldo
Oh well done you for jumping in with your size 15 wellies and being, as usual, selective to suit your response. Clearly didn't read the whole thread before responding. Actually scrap that .. It was no surprise at all. Dumb cunt.
Poor the Froggy
I'm not sure what the disagreement is here? Ferguson did/didn't sell his best players from time to time? He sold some, kept some...
Most of the time when Sir Alex sold big players it was because they'd crossed him in some way. That's how I remember it anyway.
Sir Alex was all about maintaining total authority. I think that's what drove the decisions more than Sir Alex wanting to cash in on players at their peak.
Sir Alex was all about maintaining total authority. I think that's what drove the decisions more than Sir Alex wanting to cash in on players at their peak.
Anyone wanting to break up one if not the greatest forward line of our history (time will tell) needs their head sorting.
Which potential signing is hypothetical?
Just so I know.
Because I’ll be re-quoting “It’s a hypothetical buddy” a lot!!!!
He wanted to mate, but he read the site and saw how you were going on about City being the best in the world, so he decided he could wait.
They had to sell him no? He refused to sign a new contract and wanted to move on
Did he ever actually sign for Utd? I always thought he was on that weird 2 year loan deal from his 3rd party owner
Who would you swap Salah for.
Not sure about that, am sure Lippi at Juventus started the trend before bacon face.
No, we were even back then ... the shift had happened, and bar one "he's never done that before, nor will he ever" Kompany missile, we'd have won the double ...
Absolutely. There was no asset management to it. And why would there be? They were the undisputed financial heavyweights for much of that era until Abramovich took over Chelsea. Even then, it wasnt until City got rich and then got good that there was much competition at the top of the market.
For him it was all about authority. His will went a long way to driving that club. Which is why it has imploded in his absence.
Since it’s “hypothetical buddy” - I’d swap Salah for an 18 YO Messi.
What I said was that he didn't sell his top stars without being forced to (since the discussion was all about selling Salah), there was no discussion re. non world-class team stalwarts, and I specifically mentioned Ronaldo, Beckham and Keane.
Then a couple of people inc. the S*n group Journalist, who did his best to obfuscate as he always does, come up with a list of players who clearly never were United's top stars but just good team players (Kanchelskis, Ince, Strachan fuck me) or who were released / sold because either they were past their prime or for reasons not pertaining to rotating players in/out of the squad for the sake of perpetuating dominance. However they seemed to think they were being original in bringing them back into the discussion.
Which you know was the whole point of the debate, the manager selling his star players for the cash, and to replace them with a younger player, it wasn't about them falling out with the manager or forcing their way out.
Over 20+ years you don't expect there to not be an instance or two, however the argument stands if we restrict the debate to its original premise/parameters, should we sell Salah for the money whilst he is in his prime.
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I would not swap Salah for this fella for damn sure, only player I would swap Salah for is Mbappe and nobody else. Now, if Klopp feels he has to do it because Salah wanted to leave, I am fine with it. Normally I would be up in arms about selling the best player we have, I would never condone it and when we sold Coutinho I was pissed. But after seeing what Klopp did, losing Coutinho didn't even see us dropped a single position and won some pretty nice shinny things tell me that with Klopp we can afford to lose anyone because he already knows who he wanted to get. And by doing that, we won't even miss a beat.
To some extent I feel Salah goes unappreciated by our fans, perhaps familiarity and all that jazz. Yesterday was a prime example, holding the ball up, beating 2,3,4 players with little touches and dribbles whilst retaining control and possession. Of course it doesn't always come off, it doesn't for Aguero or Messi, but enough times to help us keep control and rotate the ball around the opposition's area. Few forwards could cope with the amount of pressure he comes under.
I think its a fair question, but the obvious answer is 'not yet'. At some point we need to start bringing younger players into the squad. By the start of next season Trent and Joe will be the only established first team players under 25. Thats not an immediate concern as most of our squad will still be in the peak 26 - 30 range for another year or two. Beyond that it would be a worry.
But its better to do these things by changing one or two players a year than having to massively update a squad in a short space of time. City have let their squad age in the last couple of seasons as Chelsea did a while back. Now they are very dependent on the likes of Aguero, Silva, Fernandino and Otamendi who are all past their best. Plus they havent replaced Kompany either. The result is they are just not as relentless as they were 2 or 3 years ago and there is a rebuilding job to be done.
If Klopp wants to leave behind a great squad capable of winning trophies after he steps away then the lessons are there to be learned. If he wants to milk every last drop of success from the squad hes built before moving on and letting the next guy deal with it then he will probably get another 2 seasons out of this current group before their performance levels start to noticeably decline.
But its better to do these things by changing one or two players a year than having to massively update a squad in a short space of time. City have let their squad age in the last couple of seasons as Chelsea did a while back. Now they are very dependent on the likes of Aguero, Silva, Fernandino and Otamendi who are all past their best. Plus they havent replaced Kompany either. The result is they are just not as relentless as they were 2 or 3 years ago and there is a rebuilding job to be done.
If Klopp wants to leave behind a great squad capable of winning trophies after he steps away then the lessons are there to be learned. If he wants to milk every last drop of success from the squad hes built before moving on and letting the next guy deal with it then he will probably get another 2 seasons out of this current group before their performance levels start to noticeably decline.
good post mate.
last paragraph is key - i think his contract extension, and the reasons flying around about it, highlight the squad will be changing in the next 4 years to ensure that post Klopp, we remain as strong an outfit as possible.
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