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I'm fully getting involved in the personal spat.
Unlike the absolute whopper, Farky, I know waaaaay more than 2 families.
I know like maybe 4??
My sis being one. She was sold the dream, great school for her kids, great salary for her working and living in Saudi. She ditched after a few months for very similar reasons to the things Fark has mentioned.
The other thing worth adding is likely a footballers life is already super sheltered. They likely live in various smaller communities in the UK, esp as the game becomes more international. There's less of the actual old school traditional player like Milner. (On this I love the story of Scholes, three player given a sort of mid winter break by SAF. One goes Dubai another South France.. Paul checks into a campsite in the lakes.)
I know a number of people who have moved, a few absolutely love it, can't get enough. There for life.
Others have a focus of a handful of years picking up the huge salary and then move back to UK.
Unlike the absolute whopper, Farky, I know waaaaay more than 2 families.
I know like maybe 4??
My sis being one. She was sold the dream, great school for her kids, great salary for her working and living in Saudi. She ditched after a few months for very similar reasons to the things Fark has mentioned.
The other thing worth adding is likely a footballers life is already super sheltered. They likely live in various smaller communities in the UK, esp as the game becomes more international. There's less of the actual old school traditional player like Milner. (On this I love the story of Scholes, three player given a sort of mid winter break by SAF. One goes Dubai another South France.. Paul checks into a campsite in the lakes.)
I know a number of people who have moved, a few absolutely love it, can't get enough. There for life.
Others have a focus of a handful of years picking up the huge salary and then move back to UK.
I think a lot depends on a) him and b) CL ...
If he has a really good season, he may want to stay to get more records - it's what drives him.
If the team has a really good season, he'll want to be part of Klopp Vol 2.
I don't know if salahs every really come across as a paragon of virtue, so when he goes to Saudi it won't change my opinion much, same as bobby and fabs
Think with hendo people are angrier solely down to the feeling he's made us feel like rubes over the years with his vocal support of stuff. So, it's more us feeling shit about ourselves for being thick, rather than him doing anything awful.
Moral wise, none of its great like, but is what it is
Moral wise, none of its great like, but is what it is
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There will be no bidding war from Saudi clubs..
The top 4 clubs (I thinks it's 4) we take over by basically the Saudi government and These are the clubs that are bringing in the top stars. The Saudi league picks the players and what team of these 4 the player will go to. The club doesn't put the money up to buy the player so there is no way ever there will be a bidding war between clubs because the other clubs in the league like Gerrard's club can't offer the transfers of these 4 clubs
"The country's sovereign wealth fund (PIF) will actually take control of the four largest teams in the Saudi Pro League—Al Nassr, Al Hilal, Al Ittihad, and Al Ahli—all at once and ahead of the 2023/24 season"
Speaking of the mad killer, did you hear the Chester fans singing "She's one of your own, She's one of your own. Lucy Letby, she's one of your own" to Hereford fans last week?
Which begs the question, she may have been born in Hereford but studied, lived and worked in Chester, doesn't that make her more a Cestrian rather than a Herefordian?
Interesting free places with deep culture and a thriving social scene don't have to pay people multiples of what they'd earn in the G7 to go and work there. Anyone can say they know someone who loved the experience, but the whole reason you're getting so much more money is because you're going somewhere backwards, inequitable, false and fucking shite.
Lets see. There are rumored to be more than one club interested for next summer.
He's going in the summer.. its less painful to accept it now.
Also.. bidding war? PiF will determine which club buys him. There will be no bidding war.
Although he's a legend, if he wants to leave - No issue as long as we invest the money he'll bring.
Exactly.
He spoke up about these issues and accepted all the plaudits for doing so, then as soon as a big wedge of money is put in front of him, he changes his tune.
He deserves everything he gets at this point.
I love the fact that people dont even consider what Salah wants. He might want to leave next summer but if he has an amazing season in 23/24 I wouldnt put it past him staying for even one more year, and as I said extend his contract if that happens to secure some value.
PIF have a 75 % ownership of the 4 clubs. Both Al-Hilal and Al-ittihad are after him. It might not be a biddig war but it could certainly increase the funds allocated if they see a potential place for him in more than one team.
PIF have a 75 % ownership of the 4 clubs. Both Al-Hilal and Al-ittihad are after him. It might not be a biddig war but it could certainly increase the funds allocated if they see a potential place for him in more than one team.
Is the correct answer.
I'm not sure whether there is anything worth having an argument over.
Just like to point out that this is very much a matter of personal preference. I totally get that some expats are just there for the money, and have no desire to partake in the local culture. It's easy as a very well paid expat to live in a bubble with other expats, having little gatherings with people just like yourself. International Schools are very expensive so the quality of teachers, nutrition, facilities, curriculum etc are probably top top notch. Kids are a priority in our lives and we do whatever we can to make sure they grow up in the environment we want for them. I get that. In fact, I would probably do the same.
But I do find it more admirable when expats take some time to interact with the locals and learn more about the culture. Remember reading about some guys who spend years in Shanghai and the only Chinese they know is to ask for their glass to be refilled. What's the point of living like that? Go to the market, wander the streets, live like a local, don't just have sex with them.
I get that this is not for everyone. But what I can't stand are those that spend all their time in their white-man cocoon then, after fucking off, spout some inane bullshit like "Disneyland with a Death Penalty" or some shit about there are no human rights, the place is backwards, inequitable, soul-less, there is no freedom or culture etc.
How the fuck would you know? All you ever did here was drink beer and watch football.
Just like to point out that this is very much a matter of personal preference. I totally get that some expats are just there for the money, and have no desire to partake in the local culture. It's easy as a very well paid expat to live in a bubble with other expats, having little gatherings with people just like yourself. International Schools are very expensive so the quality of teachers, nutrition, facilities, curriculum etc are probably top top notch. Kids are a priority in our lives and we do whatever we can to make sure they grow up in the environment we want for them. I get that. In fact, I would probably do the same.
But I do find it more admirable when expats take some time to interact with the locals and learn more about the culture. Remember reading about some guys who spend years in Shanghai and the only Chinese they know is to ask for their glass to be refilled. What's the point of living like that? Go to the market, wander the streets, live like a local, don't just have sex with them.
I get that this is not for everyone. But what I can't stand are those that spend all their time in their white-man cocoon then, after fucking off, spout some inane bullshit like "Disneyland with a Death Penalty" or some shit about there are no human rights, the place is backwards, inequitable, soul-less, there is no freedom or culture etc.
How the fuck would you know? All you ever did here was drink beer and watch football.
It's a bit disingenuous to start bringing Shanghai into a convo about Riyhad. Shanghai is a huge historical cultural and trading hub. They don't have to offer massive incentives to get people to go there, because it's got its own gravity.
What local culture are you expecting westerners to get involved in in Saudi?
What local culture are you expecting westerners to get involved in in Saudi?
Yes this just emphasises that expat life isn't for everyone (no surprise there, humans aren't cookie cut outs) and will undoubtedly vary by degrees according to the destination country, but the vast majority (and I'm using industry reviews/reports from the world's largest expat relocation agencies, Cartus & Sirva, not just anecdotal evidence) greatly enjoy the experience and post-tour reviews show that over 90% of families would repeat it. I don't think it's helpful to exclusively use the Middle East as an example, there are more than 60 million expats worldwide (the majority not on MNC contracts of course) and just a tiny percentage in the Middle East.
Most go abroad on 2 year contracts but a majority extend that, often for one year but it can be for many more. And it is often because of their integration into the local community (and the newly found understanding of different cultures and people that simply cannot be understood or appreciated back home) that many stay or extend contracts.
Again on schools, Farky's comments on how IS are 'colonial institutions' demonstrates almost a total lack of understanding (and no little bias) on why Int. Schools even exist. It's all very well saying you'd like to integrate your child into the local community (a worthy goal and experience but think of what that means to a child, new country, new language etc.) but that isn't feasible in many cases (due to language first and foremost and a different curriculum / schooling system which would make reintegration back into the home system extremely difficult, being at the forefront, this can apply even when on the surface it should be easy, e.g. Americans in the UK).
Of course if the aim is long term integration into the target country then some / most of the above isn't applicable. So from the UK into the USA is a very glib example.
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I know a shrink, well known and runs a highly reputable therapy center.
She tells me that more than 2/3 of her clients are wealthy and upper-class. And some of their problems that they sob their hearts out, were so trifle, that you'd be tempted to think your life is at least ten times better than them.
Obviously, that data is skewed because the poor hardly have got the time nor money to go see a shrink, considering their main concerns usually involve finding enough money to make it through the day.
But that tells me one thing - money ain't everything. It will never buy you lasting happiness. Cliched as it may seem, i am starting to find that it's true, throughout these years. That's just my observation though. Which is also why, it's so important our club have the right sort of owners - nobody's perfect, but at least The Liverpool Way tradition has not eroded (yet).
Another thing - when i was a lot younger, i used to party with some teachers. These were expat teachers working in international schools - and the stories and sexploits i used to hear from them would be enough to keep an erotica website running for years.
Now i'm not saying all international schools are messed up, obviously not, but i suddenly recalled that bit. lol
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my dad was an expat in Turkey and Italy.
I went to int' schools.
Italy was mostly European expacts, Turkey was people from all over Africa, South East Asia and Europe.
Had a great time and we loved traveling around the countries, enjoying their insane beauty and food culture etc.
My dad rejected opportunities to countries where he felt they were inappropriate for his family, even though there was insane money to make.
It's a fun experience.
I rejected my only opportunity to be an expat (ha ha in London)
I went to int' schools.
Italy was mostly European expacts, Turkey was people from all over Africa, South East Asia and Europe.
Had a great time and we loved traveling around the countries, enjoying their insane beauty and food culture etc.
My dad rejected opportunities to countries where he felt they were inappropriate for his family, even though there was insane money to make.
It's a fun experience.
I rejected my only opportunity to be an expat (ha ha in London)
If people want to move abroad then good luck to them, and if they want to live in purpose-built communities while they are there, that is also fine.
It is unlikely I would get the offer and I won't be seeking it out either, but if someone offered me 10 times my salary to work and live in another country for a few years I would probably take it to be honest. Reason being that I could probably retire after those few years.
How and where I chose to live when I was there would pretty much depend on what other people in that position had done, to be honest, and I suspect when it comes down to it most others would do the same.
If you move somewhere and everyone who has gone before you was living in a separate, secure area rather than downtown, there is probably a pretty good reason for that.
It is unlikely I would get the offer and I won't be seeking it out either, but if someone offered me 10 times my salary to work and live in another country for a few years I would probably take it to be honest. Reason being that I could probably retire after those few years.
How and where I chose to live when I was there would pretty much depend on what other people in that position had done, to be honest, and I suspect when it comes down to it most others would do the same.
If you move somewhere and everyone who has gone before you was living in a separate, secure area rather than downtown, there is probably a pretty good reason for that.
Nail meet head.
I agree with all that. You go to a shithole, you live behind gates, you retire early. That's the deal. It sounds pretty decent and depending on how you are fixed it will work for many.
Anyway, Henderson is a thick hypocrite, but that's got nothing to do with Salah who has a totally different set of circumstances. it's also got nothing to do with middle class people wanting to shave a decade or two off their working life.
Anyway, Henderson is a thick hypocrite, but that's got nothing to do with Salah who has a totally different set of circumstances. it's also got nothing to do with middle class people wanting to shave a decade or two off their working life.
As an ex-Pat I can confirm that living in a backward community, filled with horrible inequalities, disgusting intolerance, 3rd world facilities to all but those with money and overbearing religious doctrines that affect your every day life and your freedoms, is just a shit way of life!!!
But… enough about why I left Larne…
But… enough about why I left Larne…
Well, they could be very loyal to their colleagues. If you know what I mean...
My point was don't listen to the spin and the platitudes, it's usually not real and hyped.
There is some virtue signaling (TM Dantes) from Hendo and everyone fell in love, only to be hurt (again). My point was don't fall for the same omg he's so professional, he loves us, he's competitive etc and then when Salah leaves in Jan/July there'll be people like wtf he could have gone another year.
Maybe this is my general feeling towards all players, but I raised it a while back re the club and was blasted but they'll say what they think is useful and beneficial and row back if needed and the backlash is too much.
There is some virtue signaling (TM Dantes) from Hendo and everyone fell in love, only to be hurt (again). My point was don't fall for the same omg he's so professional, he loves us, he's competitive etc and then when Salah leaves in Jan/July there'll be people like wtf he could have gone another year.
Maybe this is my general feeling towards all players, but I raised it a while back re the club and was blasted but they'll say what they think is useful and beneficial and row back if needed and the backlash is too much.
Don't you mean immigrant? Or do we only use immigrant for people who aren't from developed countries?
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