Sal-ittihad

[Delinquent]

Speaking of the mad killer, did you hear the Chester fans singing "She's one of your own, She's one of your own. Lucy Letby, she's one of your own" to Hereford fans last week?

Which begs the question, she may have been born in Hereford but studied, lived and worked in Chester, doesn't that make her more a Cestrian rather than a Herefordian?

Absolutely. But that's not how we see things here. Just look at the Windrush scandal. We encourage huge numbers of people from the Caribbean to come and live here because we're desperate for their labour; they bring their young children with them whose experiences, opportunities and world views are shaped by the systemic racism that exists here, and at the first sign of them rebelling we blame the country we plucked them from and send them back there. It's clearly a very British trait.

 

[Delinquent]

Interesting free places with deep culture and a thriving social scene don't have to pay people multiples of what they'd earn in the G7 to go and work there. Anyone can say they know someone who loved the experience, but the whole reason you're getting so much more money is because you're going somewhere backwards, inequitable, false and fucking shite.

Are we talking about Saudia Arabia or the UK now? I can't tell.

 

[737Max]

It's a bit disingenuous to start bringing Shanghai into a convo about Riyhad. Shanghai is a huge historical cultural and trading hub. They don't have to offer massive incentives to get people to go there, because it's got its own gravity.

What local culture are you expecting westerners to get involved in in Saudi?

Stonings and beheadings obviously

 

[StevieM]

Don't you mean immigrant? Or do we only use immigrant for people who aren't from developed countries?

I’m an immigrant in Australia and an ex-Pat in Norn Iron.

I am both.

Although… you can call me whatever you want as long as I don’t have to live in Larne.

 

[Dreambeliever]

I’m an immigrant in Australia and an ex-Pat in Norn Iron.

I am both.

Although… you can call me whatever you want as long as I don’t have to live in Larne.

You are hardly an ex-Pat 😀

 

[Shay_K]

After all that recent BS from Sky Sports pundits we can finally close this thread (till Jan).

 

[Halmeister]

Salah staying - who would have thought...

Pretty much everyone? Even I said I thought he was gonna stay

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

It's a bit disingenuous to start bringing Shanghai into a convo about Riyhad. Shanghai is a huge historical cultural and trading hub. They don't have to offer massive incentives to get people to go there, because it's got its own gravity.

What local culture are you expecting westerners to get involved in in Saudi?

Bunga bunga.

 

[Athens]

You are hardly an ex-Pat 😀

You should change your name then you can be an ex-Pat.

 

[StevieM]

You are hardly an ex-Pat 😀

Well… as of about now - I’ve spent more time living in Melbourne than Larne - few more years and I’ll be able to discount the UK in total.

However… I’m still a resident, not taken citizenship despite being here for over 20 years.

 

[rubans]

I love the fact that people dont even consider what Salah wants. He might want to leave next summer but if he has an amazing season in 23/24 I wouldnt put it past him staying for even one more year, and as I said extend his contract if that happens to secure some value.

PIF have a 75 % ownership of the 4 clubs. Both Al-Hilal and Al-ittihad are after him. It might not be a biddig war but it could certainly increase the funds allocated if they see a potential place for him in more than one team.

It’s the hypocricy of fans view of loyalty for you now days…
Some Expect total undying loyalty till he stops being able to perform to our expected level or being offered a fortune from any state despite questionable politics is fine as long as it’s on our terms but soon as the player fancies a change then it’s percieved as disloyalty of the worst kind. It’s total BS.

 

[StevieM]

Pretty much everyone? Even I said I thought he was gonna stay

I thought he might go after the initial offer - but fair play, he’s not pushed it - pretty sure he knows he’ll get a bumper salary when he does decide to go and he’s seemingly in no rush.

Again - I’m fine with keeping him and losing him on a free if his output doesn’t diminish - which it isn’t.

 

[King Binny]

 

[keniget]

I'm not particularly attached to Salah. He's been great for us but he's on the wane and I like shiny new things.

Hope he has a great last season and we sell him for a stupid amount of money in the summer that'll get us a sexy replacement.

 

[binomial]

I'm not particularly attached to Salah. He's been great for us but he's on the wane and I like shiny new things.

Hope he has a great last season and we sell him for a stupid amount of money in the summer that'll get us a sexy replacement.

This all sounds great and stuff, the only issue being there isn't really anyone near as good as Salah, even a Salah "on the wane" out there at the minute, so it wouldn't surprise me if we didn't look for a replacement and instead took a new approach in our set up to a 4222.

---Gakpo---Nunez---
Diaz--------------Szobo
---MacA-----Grav---(Trent floating about)

 

[Fabio]

If the drop off from when Salah leaves can be combined with 1) Nunez, Diaz and gakpo improving output, 2) our shiny new exciting midfield picking up goals/assists, I think we would be fine.
It'll be like when we lost Gerrard. Terrifying to think about, but other people stepped up.

 

[Fabio]

We're never going to find a like for like replacement, because they don't exist. We need to find someone who we can mould in to what we need.

 

[binomial]

If the drop off from when Salah leaves can be combined with 1) Nunez, Diaz and gakpo improving output, 2) our shiny new exciting midfield picking up goals/assists, I think we would be fine.
It'll be like when we lost Gerrard. Terrifying to think about, but other people stepped up.

Well there will always be life after greats leave, just a case of finding the right balance and mending the gaps quick enough so that it doesn't have a lasting effect (like when we sold Torres/Suarez).

With Coutinho we saw the gaps in goal and at the back and we did what we did perfectly.....same needs to happen again if we don't wanna see a drop off for another 5 years.

 

[Woland]

This all sounds great and stuff, the only issue being there isn't really anyone near as good as Salah, even a Salah "on the wane" out there at the minute, so it wouldn't surprise me if we didn't look for a replacement and instead took a new approach in our set up to a 4222.

---Gakpo---Nunez---
Diaz--------------Szobo
---MacA-----Grav---(Trent floating about)

Yeah the recruitment lads will all be knocking off early after three hours on Starfield. They won't even be looking. When they have their meetings with the board they'll just have a flick through Twitter and make something up.

 

[Frogfish]

It's a bit disingenuous to start bringing Shanghai into a convo about Riyhad. Shanghai is a huge historical cultural and trading hub. They don't have to offer massive incentives to get people to go there, because it's got its own gravity.

What local culture are you expecting westerners to get involved in in Saudi?

This is exactly what I mean when I hear people spouting off about something they know SFA about as if it is fact. Come on Woland.

Moving a family from what is a classified as a Grade A country to a Grade C country (in terms of adjustment to a new way of life, culture, food, schooling etc.) involves a massive increase in salary just to persuade a family to take the chance on a move. For Shanghai there are a lot of factors to consider (all of the above plus ethnic background of the assignee, marital status, number of children if any, whether the spouse will be working or not, how it will affect their career path, etc.). For Shanghai the salary increase could be anywhere from x2 to x5 based on those factors and the specialisation of the assignee.

It isn't just about the difficulty of life there, it's about the upheaval and change in everything that the assignee (and family) took for granted. It's why most MNC's have psychologists on hand to help with the adjustment. Culture shock to a family is massive, and so is reverse culture shock when the time comes to be repatriated.

It seems you are looking more at the difference in culture/lifestyle between Shanghai and Saudi whereas that is only a small part of the picture.

 

[tombrown]

I'm an ex pat in a 3rd world country (County Clare) so my opinion is most important. I just need to understand what you are all on about, then form an opinion. At some point I will share it

 

[darkstarexodus]

I've found this conversation interesting in that I've spent much of my career working in more remote parts of my own country for financial reasons. And many of the same points and counterpoints discussed apply.

 

[Dreambeliever]

Well… as of about now - I’ve spent more time living in Melbourne than Larne - few more years and I’ll be able to discount the UK in total.

However… I’m still a resident, not taken citizenship despite being here for over 20 years.

Ex-Pat indicates a temp arrangement and intention to permanently return after working overseas no?
I got citizenship 6 years ago. Dual is the business.

 

[Frogfish]

Ex-Pat indicates a temp arrangement and intention to permanently return after working overseas no?
I got citizenship 6 years ago. Dual is the business.

No not really. It could be a temporary or permanent arrangement. Just someone who doesn't live in their native country. I'm an expat in China and I've been there 28 years !

 

[Dreambeliever]

No not really. It could be a temporary or permanent arrangement. Just someone who doesn't live in their native country. I'm an expat in China and I've been there 28 years !

Every definition I’ve ever read indicates temp arrangement with intent to return home but fair enough.

 

[StevieM]

Ex-Pat indicates a temp arrangement and intention to permanently return after working overseas no?
I got citizenship 6 years ago. Dual is the business.

I always assumed ex-pat meant - I’m gone, baby gone!!!!… “on a jet plane… don’t know if I’ll be back again…”.

We used to do this thing at the Quiet Man in Melbourne, where we’d go all John Denver when the “roll-ins” were fucking off back home after their year or so.

 

[Farkmaster]

I always assumed ex-pat meant - I’m gone, baby gone!!!!… “on a jet plane… don’t know if I’ll be back again…”.

We used to do this thing at the Quiet Man in Melbourne, where we’d go all John Denver when the “roll-ins” were fucking off back home after their year or so.

Expat is just a phrase that feels haughtier to people than immigrant so they don't get cognitive dissonance when they complain about the overwhelming larger group of poor kind of immigrant who is also trying to improve their life through transformative amounts of money.

 

[Frogfish]

Every definition I’ve ever read indicates temp arrangement with intent to return home but fair enough.

An expatriate is a person who resides outside their native country. The term often refers to a professional or skilled worker who intends to return to their country of origin. However, it may also refer to retirees, artists and other individuals who have chosen to live outside their native country. Wikipedia

Right click on the word and pretty much every dictionary definition will be as above.

 

[Hansern]

I thought he might go after the initial offer - but fair play, he’s not pushed it - pretty sure he knows he’ll get a bumper salary when he does decide to go and he’s seemingly in no rush.

Again - I’m fine with keeping him and losing him on a free if his output doesn’t diminish - which it isn’t.

I think all the talk about a move came from the Saudi end, and as previously said most havent talked about what Mo wants. He hasnt given any indication throughout that he wanted a move.
Was funny reading about the "noises" coming out of the club though..

I expect Salah to have great season in 23/24, and if he does he might end up staying one more year.

 

[Dreambeliever]

An expatriate is a person who resides outside their native country. The term often refers to a professional or skilled worker who intends to return to their country of origin. However, it may also refer to retirees, artists and other individuals who have chosen to live outside their native country. Wikipedia

Right click on the word and pretty much every dictionary definition will be as above.

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