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Roy when asked about Torres

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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=41124.msg1142001#msg1142001 date=1280045822]
I was told last season that Torres was seriously pissed off with the club over the way they handled his injury. He wanted the operation earlier than happened, the club wanted to wait. So, that might be his beef although could be something else.
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I thought it was him and Rafa that fell out over that
 
Im not suprised he is pissed off - Surely none of this should be mentioned (inc Mascherano) until they at least return to training and have the opportunity to meet with Hodgson and Purslow in person??

These are comments that seem to suggest that the club has zero control over what is happening... Rafa would simply have stated that things have not changed and he would meet with them as per normal as he would with every other member of the squad once they return back from their holidays...

Perhaps the club is trying to add to the speculation to see if we can cash in on both players in the next few weeks. This will give us time to find replacements.

Perhaps both are unhappy and the club see this transfer window as the perfect opportunity to cash in...



The whole situation doesnt really make sense... i really dont see any benefit in the media being aware that Mascherano is avoiding contact and that Torres is pissed off and considering his future.. CRAZY.
 
As good a player as Torres is you really can't have players dictating club policy or anarchy reigns. That said he must look after his own interests. If he thinks his future would be better served elsewhere then his agent must find him a club willing to buy him out of his contract at Liverpool. That's not going to be easy. I expect him to continue at the club.

As for Roy Hodgson he's just deflecting the question and making Purslow bear the responsibility. He's canny, should Torres leave none of the inevitable shit that hits the fan will stick to him.
 
He won't go to city because they're not in the CL. If nobody else can afford him, he's staying.

I agree with the sentiment that he's unlikely to make "an announcement" until he returns from holiday.The reason for this is because he's not making an announcement as much as he's just answering the questions put to him when he's exposed to reporters... he's not going to want to see a bunch of reporters whilst he's supposed to be resting up and having a bit of time off with his woman, so therefore won't be asked the sort of question that would provide this answer as he isn't being publicly asked any sort of question at all.

No point worrying until he's due back with the squad.
 
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=41124.msg1142009#msg1142009 date=1280047749]
No point worrying until he's due back with the squad.
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If it weren't for Roy's comments I'd agree Robin.
 
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=41124.msg1142008#msg1142008 date=1280047543]
As good a player as Torres is you really can't have players dictating club policy or anarchy reigns. That said he must look after his own interests. If he thinks his future would be better served elsewhere then his agent must find him a club willing to buy him out of his contract at Liverpool. That's not going to be easy. I expect him to continue at the club.

As for Roy Hodgson he's just deflecting the question and making Purslow bear the responsibility. He's canny, should Torres leave none of the inevitable shit that hits the fan will stick to him.
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Hodgson will still get stick..

Fans will say...

-------He didn't do enough to keep Torres - (Doesn't sound like he has gone out of his way does it?)
-------He isn't respected enough as a manager to keep our biggest overseas stars....
------- Perhaps the business men at the club don't rate his ability to convince large players to stay and hence why he is rarely involved
-------He is a yes man with Zero control over who stays or go's within the club - Makes him look weak and it almost proves what a load of Liverpool fans speculated last season -that the club were actually trying to get rid of Rafa because he wasn't willing to be a yes man and always questioned the financial situation and the need for less control of Football issues by fat cat business men.

I don't agree with all these - however, nobody can deny that Hodgson has been stripped of many of Rafa's duties. If this is to allow the owners an easier ride only time will tell. I'm hoping its due to the obvious fact that Rafa got too political and wanted control over everything which ultimately effected his ability to do the role he was actually hired to do correctly.. The lack of financial investment or impending take overs still leaves me quite sceptical as to Roy's role within the club
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=41124.msg1142011#msg1142011 date=1280048170]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=41124.msg1142009#msg1142009 date=1280047749]
No point worrying until he's due back with the squad.
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If it weren't for Roy's comments I'd agree Robin.
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Yes. But it isn't in our interests to sell him when his stock is so low. Terrible world cup, injury ravaged season, apparently being mardy with 'the club'. That's a buyers' market. He has a contract with us, like it or not. We absolutely shouldn't sell this season.
 
With regard to the beef comment, it's entirely likely Hodgson is just referring to the rubbish season, but his choice of words have left space for easy misinterpretation.

Mascher is a different kettle of fish, we've heard quotes from himself before saying he's not settled in England. Torres has always said how much he loves the club.
 
I totally agree Doc. He's got plenty of time left on his contract so I'd tell him tough, you're staying. On the other hand, part of me is thinking we should sell a player who misses half the season through injuries. His stock might drop further. If we got £60m and could reinvest the money on players I'd get shut of him.
 
I also expected Mascherano to leave because of the situation with his wife.

So if he does intend to go, but hasn't contacted the club to let them know, I think his behaviour is very bad.

However, as Mascherano has never behaved in an arsey way before, I am hoping that he has decided to give it at least one more season.
 
Mascherano can put in a transfer request, but there's no point in that unless he's sure that he'd rather be anywhere than at Liverpool, which obviously isn't true.

What he needs is a formal offer from Inter or Barca, and that's out of his hands.
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=41124.msg1142015#msg1142015 date=1280048903]
I totally agree Doc. He's got plenty of time left on his contract so I'd tell him tough, you're staying. On the other hand, part of me is thinking we should sell a player who misses half the season through injuries. His stock might drop further. If we got £60m and could reinvest the money on players I'd get shut of him.
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Torres spent much of last season with a sulky face, and I don't want to see the same phenomenon this season. If he is going to have a permanent chip on his shoulder, this will have a bad effect on the dressing room morale which is probably more important than retaining his services.

There's no guarantee that Torres will be worth more at the end of next season than he is now. If he has another succession of injuries, he will be worth less than he is now. There's a good case for selling him if we can get a realistic offer.
 
[quote author=Portly link=topic=41124.msg1142020#msg1142020 date=1280049814]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=41124.msg1142015#msg1142015 date=1280048903]
I totally agree Doc. He's got plenty of time left on his contract so I'd tell him tough, you're staying. On the other hand, part of me is thinking we should sell a player who misses half the season through injuries. His stock might drop further. If we got £60m and could reinvest the money on players I'd get shut of him.
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Torres spent much of last season with a sulky face, and I don't want to see the same phenomenon this season. If he is going to have a permanent chip on his shoulder, this will have a bad effect on the dressing room morale which is probably more important than retaining his services.

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I'm not sure about that, Portly. He may have sulked quite a lot, but he still managed to score 18 goals in 20 games. Where would we have finished without him?
 
The contracts are so heavily weighted in the player's favour they mean bugger all now. The whole game is a stupid mess, every time a new income source is generated and injected into clubs they just piss it straight into the players faces, plus interest.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=41124.msg1142022#msg1142022 date=1280050023]
I'm not sure about that, Portly. He may have sulked quite a lot, but he still managed to score 18 goals in 20 games. Where would we have finished without him?
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I am all too aware of how good he is, Bunnyman. I just feel that a sulky, discontented Torres will cause more damage to priceless team spirit than even his talents are worth.

Still, he is only a youngster, let's hope that with good management he can be turned round and approach games with a cheerful, positive attitude.
 
Ferguson managed to win the league with a sulky 'slave' Ronaldo still at the club. No-one will pay 60 million for Torres right now, and I fear Roy Hodgson won't be allowed to reinvest the money anyway.
 
Just saw this interview on sky, and Im sure that beef quote has been made up. In the interview on the sky site he basically says his concerns are not with me, they go back to a while back with the club, which I can only assume is Liverpool have not kept up their end of the bargain when they agreed a transfer, this isnt final, I think he can be talked round.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41124.msg1141997#msg1141997 date=1280045293]
I wish Old Uncle Roy would keep his trap shut more often

'Beef with the club, not me'

Weally? So you haven't managed to outline your gleaming plans to him, or your other top player who won't return your calls
Oh well. Maybe Purssssslow did it for you.



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Well at least he's not the yes man you painted him to be.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41124.msg1142031#msg1142031 date=1280051676]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41124.msg1141997#msg1141997 date=1280045293]
I wish Old Uncle Roy would keep his trap shut more often

'Beef with the club, not me'

Weally? So you haven't managed to outline your gleaming plans to him, or your other top player who won't return your calls
Oh well. Maybe Purssssslow did it for you.



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Well at least he's not the yes man you painted him to be.
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It's not clear to me exactly what Roy Hodgson's role is. Is he Team Manager or simply a coach?

Every time he's questioned about players or transfers he defers to Mr Purslow, have we adopted the continental model of the coach being supplied with players who he then coaches?

If so, it's entirely legitimate to leave negotiations to Mr Purslow.
 
I've always maintained regardless of player stature that NOBODY is bigger than the club. I'm of the view that if they want to leave, have the balls to come out and say it so we know where we stand and can plan ahead.

The Torres and Mascherano saga is tiresome. At this point I would flog both players if Roy is guaranteed the funds to re-invest. Overall with reinvestment and quality buys from a potential 70 - 80 million combined fee, this would theoretically be our strongest squad since the Dalglish era.
 
I think it's great that our 'manager' has no clue at all about what is going on with two of our best players.

It's what every fan wants to see, isn't it?

Baaaaa
 
I don't think Hodgson should go frantically chasing round the world begging Mascherano and Torres to re-join the squad. He is doing the right thing by waiting for them to put their cards on the table. Which they ought to do if they have any intention of leaving.
 
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=41124.msg1142038#msg1142038 date=1280053295]
Overall with reinvestment and quality buys from a potential 70 - 80 million combined fee, this would theoretically be our strongest squad since the Dalglish era.
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you're mad if you really think that.

a) clubs will see us coming and will know we have 70 mil burning a hole in our pocket, even mediocre playes will become expensive for us, never mind world class players.

b) world class players wont want to join a club where the best players are leaving

that 70 mil would in all likelihood end up padding out the squad with average to good players.
 
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