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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40525.msg1182845#msg1182845 date=1285490819]
[quote author=localny link=topic=40525.msg1182759#msg1182759 date=1285448557]
For those who want more time for Hodgson, can you say why?

Liverpool Way? Could turn good? Just want to hear the logic, in case I'm knee jerking again
[/quote]

It feels weird to be taking up that challenge as I didn't want Roy appointed in the first place. However, here goes:

1. We've been here before. Kenny's time as player-manager started off in a VERY similar way, to the extent that the man himself gave at least one newspaper interview saying he'd go if the club wanted him to, and look how that turned out.

2. This few games into his first season, there is simply no way of making a sensible once-and-for-all judgment on how any manager will turn out.

3. Junking Roy now is bound to cost lots. He may well not have expected to be here that long anyway, but if his advisers are any good that'll be all the more reason to have beefed up the relevant clause(s) in his contract.

4. Adding to the general air of gloom and chaos around the club is the last thing we need, whether from the point of view of morale or from that of needing to keep the "product" attractive for potential buyers.

Let me be clear - I'm not arguing for the current situation to be ignored, or anything like it. Immediate improvement is required, and I'd be in favour of giving Roy an ultimatum (which I'd hope was set as a target for him when he was appointed anyway): top four by the end of this season or you're toast. Getting rid before then, though, runs the very real risk IMO of making things worse rather than better.
[/quote]

I'm with this. Comparisons to Dalglish's tenure aren't fair because Dalglish picked up one of the best sides on the planet, Roy has got Rafa's sloppy seconds.
 
[quote author=crump link=topic=40525.msg1182864#msg1182864 date=1285495184]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40525.msg1182845#msg1182845 date=1285490819]
[quote author=localny link=topic=40525.msg1182759#msg1182759 date=1285448557]
For those who want more time for Hodgson, can you say why?

Liverpool Way? Could turn good? Just want to hear the logic, in case I'm knee jerking again
[/quote]

It feels weird to be taking up that challenge as I didn't want Roy appointed in the first place. However, here goes:

1. We've been here before. Kenny's time as player-manager started off in a VERY similar way, to the extent that the man himself gave at least one newspaper interview saying he'd go if the club wanted him to, and look how that turned out.

2. This few games into his first season, there is simply no way of making a sensible once-and-for-all judgment on how any manager will turn out.

3. Junking Roy now is bound to cost lots. He may well not have expected to be here that long anyway, but if his advisers are any good that'll be all the more reason to have beefed up the relevant clause(s) in his contract.

4. Adding to the general air of gloom and chaos around the club is the last thing we need, whether from the point of view of morale or from that of needing to keep the "product" attractive for potential buyers.

Let me be clear - I'm not arguing for the current situation to be ignored, or anything like it. Immediate improvement is required, and I'd be in favour of giving Roy an ultimatum (which I'd hope was set as a target for him when he was appointed anyway): top four by the end of this season or you're toast. Getting rid before then, though, runs the very real risk IMO of making things worse rather than better.
[/quote]

I'm with this. Comparisons to Dalglish's tenure aren't fair because Dalglish picked up one of the best sides on the planet, Roy has got Rafa's sloppy seconds.
[/quote]

tbf the whole argument is daft but i agree with you crump
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=40525.msg1182866#msg1182866 date=1285495287]
[quote author=crump link=topic=40525.msg1182864#msg1182864 date=1285495184]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40525.msg1182845#msg1182845 date=1285490819]
[quote author=localny link=topic=40525.msg1182759#msg1182759 date=1285448557]
For those who want more time for Hodgson, can you say why?

Liverpool Way? Could turn good? Just want to hear the logic, in case I'm knee jerking again
[/quote]

It feels weird to be taking up that challenge as I didn't want Roy appointed in the first place. However, here goes:

1. We've been here before. Kenny's time as player-manager started off in a VERY similar way, to the extent that the man himself gave at least one newspaper interview saying he'd go if the club wanted him to, and look how that turned out.

2. This few games into his first season, there is simply no way of making a sensible once-and-for-all judgment on how any manager will turn out.

3. Junking Roy now is bound to cost lots. He may well not have expected to be here that long anyway, but if his advisers are any good that'll be all the more reason to have beefed up the relevant clause(s) in his contract.

4. Adding to the general air of gloom and chaos around the club is the last thing we need, whether from the point of view of morale or from that of needing to keep the "product" attractive for potential buyers.

Let me be clear - I'm not arguing for the current situation to be ignored, or anything like it. Immediate improvement is required, and I'd be in favour of giving Roy an ultimatum (which I'd hope was set as a target for him when he was appointed anyway): top four by the end of this season or you're toast. Getting rid before then, though, runs the very real risk IMO of making things worse rather than better.
[/quote]

I'm with this. Comparisons to Dalglish's tenure aren't fair because Dalglish picked up one of the best sides on the planet, Roy has got Rafa's sloppy seconds.
[/quote]

tbf the whole argument is daft but i agree with you crump
[/quote]

Yay, that's at least three of us in the 'we didn't really want it and we don't really know what's happpening but we guess we best see it through' camp.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40525.msg1182870#msg1182870 date=1285495574]
That's a better title than Jim whatever the fuck his name is's Army.
[/quote]

I have no opinion one way or the other or my groups title....
 
[quote author=crump link=topic=40525.msg1182864#msg1182864 date=1285495184]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40525.msg1182845#msg1182845 date=1285490819]
[quote author=localny link=topic=40525.msg1182759#msg1182759 date=1285448557]
For those who want more time for Hodgson, can you say why?

Liverpool Way? Could turn good? Just want to hear the logic, in case I'm knee jerking again
[/quote]

It feels weird to be taking up that challenge as I didn't want Roy appointed in the first place. However, here goes:

1. We've been here before. Kenny's time as player-manager started off in a VERY similar way, to the extent that the man himself gave at least one newspaper interview saying he'd go if the club wanted him to, and look how that turned out.

2. This few games into his first season, there is simply no way of making a sensible once-and-for-all judgment on how any manager will turn out.

3. Junking Roy now is bound to cost lots. He may well not have expected to be here that long anyway, but if his advisers are any good that'll be all the more reason to have beefed up the relevant clause(s) in his contract.

4. Adding to the general air of gloom and chaos around the club is the last thing we need, whether from the point of view of morale or from that of needing to keep the "product" attractive for potential buyers.

Let me be clear - I'm not arguing for the current situation to be ignored, or anything like it. Immediate improvement is required, and I'd be in favour of giving Roy an ultimatum (which I'd hope was set as a target for him when he was appointed anyway): top four by the end of this season or you're toast. Getting rid before then, though, runs the very real risk IMO of making things worse rather than better.
[/quote]

I'm with this. Comparisons to Dalglish's tenure aren't fair because Dalglish picked up one of the best sides on the planet, Roy has got Rafa's sloppy seconds.
[/quote]

I agree, but among those sloppy seconds are one of the best Goalies in the World, one of (some say THE) best midfielders in the World, and one of the best Forwards in the World.

They are not being utilized properly, they're not being 'geed up' for matches, the manager comes out with SHITE like 'we deserved our point' against a team that had FAILED TO SCORE AT ANFIELD in the last TEN FUCKING YEARS!

What the fucks going on? He seems to be undermining us from within, 'go out there and try lads, if we get at least a draw against Birmingham and Sunderland, I'm quite happy. I expect to lose against ManU because there a fantastic team with a fantastic manager and your not and neither am I'?
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=40525.msg1182876#msg1182876 date=1285496586]
[quote author=crump link=topic=40525.msg1182864#msg1182864 date=1285495184]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40525.msg1182845#msg1182845 date=1285490819]
[quote author=localny link=topic=40525.msg1182759#msg1182759 date=1285448557]
For those who want more time for Hodgson, can you say why?

Liverpool Way? Could turn good? Just want to hear the logic, in case I'm knee jerking again
[/quote]

It feels weird to be taking up that challenge as I didn't want Roy appointed in the first place. However, here goes:

1. We've been here before. Kenny's time as player-manager started off in a VERY similar way, to the extent that the man himself gave at least one newspaper interview saying he'd go if the club wanted him to, and look how that turned out.

2. This few games into his first season, there is simply no way of making a sensible once-and-for-all judgment on how any manager will turn out.

3. Junking Roy now is bound to cost lots. He may well not have expected to be here that long anyway, but if his advisers are any good that'll be all the more reason to have beefed up the relevant clause(s) in his contract.

4. Adding to the general air of gloom and chaos around the club is the last thing we need, whether from the point of view of morale or from that of needing to keep the "product" attractive for potential buyers.

Let me be clear - I'm not arguing for the current situation to be ignored, or anything like it. Immediate improvement is required, and I'd be in favour of giving Roy an ultimatum (which I'd hope was set as a target for him when he was appointed anyway): top four by the end of this season or you're toast. Getting rid before then, though, runs the very real risk IMO of making things worse rather than better.
[/quote]

I'm with this. Comparisons to Dalglish's tenure aren't fair because Dalglish picked up one of the best sides on the planet, Roy has got Rafa's sloppy seconds.
[/quote]

I agree, but among those sloppy seconds are one of the best Goalies in the World, one of (some say THE) best midfielders in the World, and one of the best Forwards in the World.

They are not being utilized properly, they're not being 'geed up' for matches, the manager comes out with SHITE like 'we deserved our point' against a team that had FAILED TO SCORE AT ANFIELD in the last TEN FUCKING YEARS!

What the fucks going on? He seems to be undermining us from within, 'go out there and try lads, if we get at least a draw against Birmingham and Sunderland, I'm quite happy. I expect to lose against ManU because there a fantastic team with a fantastic manager and your not and neither am I'?
[/quote]

I hear you and I know and I'm not happy either... but I wasn't joking even before we hired him when blues would ask me about administration and I'd answer that it seems it's only the difference between 8th and 12th anyways... that was based on how we finished last season - the expectation had never been as low in my life. Then the players stayed and Cole came and I thought we might do ok... we still might... but this season is going to require everyone to be a bit more zen than normal, it always was.
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=40525.msg1182858#msg1182858 date=1285493820]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40525.msg1182845#msg1182845 date=1285490819]
[quote author=localny link=topic=40525.msg1182759#msg1182759 date=1285448557]
For those who want more time for Hodgson, can you say why?

Liverpool Way? Could turn good? Just want to hear the logic, in case I'm knee jerking again
[/quote]

It feels weird to be taking up that challenge as I didn't want Roy appointed in the first place. However, here goes:

1. We've been here before. Kenny's time as player-manager started off in a VERY similar way, to the extent that the man himself gave at least one newspaper interview saying he'd go if the club wanted him to, and look how that turned out.

2. This few games into his first season, there is simply no way of making a sensible once-and-for-all judgment on how any manager will turn out.

3. Junking Roy now is bound to cost lots. He may well not have expected to be here that long anyway, but if his advisers are any good that'll be all the more reason to have beefed up the relevant clause(s) in his contract.

4. Adding to the general air of gloom and chaos around the club is the last thing we need, whether from the point of view of morale or from that of needing to keep the "product" attractive for potential buyers.

Let me be clear - I'm not arguing for the current situation to be ignored, or anything like it. Immediate improvement is required, and I'd be in favour of giving Roy an ultimatum (which I'd hope was set as a target for him when he was appointed anyway): top four by the end of this season or you're toast. Getting rid before then, though, runs the very real risk IMO of making things worse rather than better.
[/quote]

17.08.1985 2 - 0 Arsenal Anfield 1st Division Kenny's 1st game in charge
21.08.1985 2 - 2 Aston Villa Villa Park 1st Division
24.08.1985 0 - 1 Newcastle St James' Park 1st Division
26.08.1985 5 - 0 Ipswich Anfield 1st Division
31.08.1985 2 - 2 West Ham Upton Park 1st Division
03.09.1985 2 - 0 Nottm For Anfield 1st Division

15.08.2010 1 - 1 Arsenal Anfield Premier League Roys 1st Prem game in charge
23.08.2010 0 - 3 Man City City of Manchester. Premier League
29.08.2010 1 - 0 WBA Anfield Premier League
12.09.2010 0 - 0 Birmingham St Andrews Premier League
19.09.2010 2 - 3 Man Utd Old Trafford Premier League
25.09.2010 2 - 2 Sunderland Anfield Premier League

Can't see the 'VERY similar' really, Kenny team was an attacking creative team, he made clever substitutions and changed formation when needed.

Roy puts his head in hands so he can't see the mess on the field, and doesn't change anything unless a physio says 'you need to make a sub, player Xxxx is unable to continue'
[/quote]

Yes, the Dalglish of 25 years ago would be far better than Hodgson.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=40525.msg1182883#msg1182883 date=1285497625]
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=40525.msg1182858#msg1182858 date=1285493820]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40525.msg1182845#msg1182845 date=1285490819]
[quote author=localny link=topic=40525.msg1182759#msg1182759 date=1285448557]
For those who want more time for Hodgson, can you say why?

Liverpool Way? Could turn good? Just want to hear the logic, in case I'm knee jerking again
[/quote]

It feels weird to be taking up that challenge as I didn't want Roy appointed in the first place. However, here goes:

1. We've been here before. Kenny's time as player-manager started off in a VERY similar way, to the extent that the man himself gave at least one newspaper interview saying he'd go if the club wanted him to, and look how that turned out.

2. This few games into his first season, there is simply no way of making a sensible once-and-for-all judgment on how any manager will turn out.

3. Junking Roy now is bound to cost lots. He may well not have expected to be here that long anyway, but if his advisers are any good that'll be all the more reason to have beefed up the relevant clause(s) in his contract.

4. Adding to the general air of gloom and chaos around the club is the last thing we need, whether from the point of view of morale or from that of needing to keep the "product" attractive for potential buyers.

Let me be clear - I'm not arguing for the current situation to be ignored, or anything like it. Immediate improvement is required, and I'd be in favour of giving Roy an ultimatum (which I'd hope was set as a target for him when he was appointed anyway): top four by the end of this season or you're toast. Getting rid before then, though, runs the very real risk IMO of making things worse rather than better.
[/quote]

17.08.1985 2 - 0 Arsenal Anfield 1st Division Kenny's 1st game in charge
21.08.1985 2 - 2 Aston Villa Villa Park 1st Division
24.08.1985 0 - 1 Newcastle St James' Park 1st Division
26.08.1985 5 - 0 Ipswich Anfield 1st Division
31.08.1985 2 - 2 West Ham Upton Park 1st Division
03.09.1985 2 - 0 Nottm For Anfield 1st Division

15.08.2010 1 - 1 Arsenal Anfield Premier League Roys 1st Prem game in charge
23.08.2010 0 - 3 Man City City of Manchester. Premier League
29.08.2010 1 - 0 WBA Anfield Premier League
12.09.2010 0 - 0 Birmingham St Andrews Premier League
19.09.2010 2 - 3 Man Utd Old Trafford Premier League
25.09.2010 2 - 2 Sunderland Anfield Premier League

Can't see the 'VERY similar' really, Kenny team was an attacking creative team, he made clever substitutions and changed formation when needed.

Roy puts his head in hands so he can't see the mess on the field, and doesn't change anything unless a physio says 'you need to make a sub, player Xxxx is unable to continue'
[/quote]

Yes, the Dalglish of 25 years ago would be far better than Hodgson.
[/quote]

The Dalglish of NOW would seeing as he has won the title with 2 different Clubs since then, and Hodgepodge hasn't won many away games.
 
Dalglish would have been worth the risk considering how poorly Hodgson has been.

But choosing between the Manager of the Year 2010 and someone who won the title in 1995 would have been a no brainer on paper.

The same manager who doesnt win many away games also got to the UEFA Cup Final in 1997 and 2010 (since so many on here rate losing in a European final so highly, it's worth a mention).

Hodgson has been rubbish so far, but let's be honest about the situation we find ourselves in.
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=40525.msg1182889#msg1182889 date=1285498128]
When did kenny last win a title? Out of curiosity?

This century?
[/quote]

When did Hodgepodge? This Lifetime? Answers No btw
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=40525.msg1182891#msg1182891 date=1285498245]
Dalglish would have been worth the risk considering how poorly Hodgson has been.

But choosing between the Manager of the Year 2010 and someone who won the title in 1995 would have been a no brainer on paper.

The same manager who doesnt win many away games also got to the UEFA Cup Final in 1997 and 2010 (since so many on here rate losing in a European final so highly, it's worth a mention).

Hodgson has been rubbish so far, but let's be honest about the situation we find ourselves in.
[/quote]

Feller, Harry Redknapp was Manager of the year?

2009–10 ENG ! Redknapp, HarryHarry Redknapp Tottenham Hotspur First Englishman to win after qualifying for the Champions League for the first time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FA_Premier_League_Manager_of_the_Year
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=40525.msg1182895#msg1182895 date=1285498478]
Roy won titles in sweden. If you're argue at least be right
[/quote]

Sweden FFS.

You do know Hodgepodege is STILL chasing his 8th away win in the Prem and he's now in his 4th Season chasing it?
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=40525.msg1182896#msg1182896 date=1285498507]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=40525.msg1182891#msg1182891 date=1285498245]
Dalglish would have been worth the risk considering how poorly Hodgson has been.

But choosing between the Manager of the Year 2010 and someone who won the title in 1995 would have been a no brainer on paper.

The same manager who doesnt win many away games also got to the UEFA Cup Final in 1997 and 2010 (since so many on here rate losing in a European final so highly, it's worth a mention).

Hodgson has been rubbish so far, but let's be honest about the situation we find ourselves in.
[/quote]

Feller, Harry Redknapp was Manager of the year?

2009–10 ENG ! Redknapp, HarryHarry Redknapp Tottenham Hotspur First Englishman to win after qualifying for the Champions League for the first time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FA_Premier_League_Manager_of_the_Year
[/quote]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LMA_Manager_of_the_Year
 
Yeah, he got that for his massively succesful ONE away win in the Prem that Season?

Or was it the impressive 46 points tally?

12 Fulham 38 11 3 5 27 15 1 7 11 12 31 -7 46


That awards a fucking joke mate.
 
You're entitled to that opinion, mate..

I do get the feeling though that you'd change your tune about if Rafa had ever won it.

(Hasn't)
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=40525.msg1182907#msg1182907 date=1285499070]
You're entitled to that opinion, mate..

I do get the feeling though that you'd change your tune about if Rafa had ever won it.

(Hasn't)
[/quote]

Yeah because Roy got it for getting to a Europa League final and losing, while Rafa didn't in 05 because he got us to our first European Cup final in 20 years and won.

Against all the odds after being 3-0 down at half time, in what was called 'the greatest European Cup final in history'.

Makes perfect sence to me, does it to you too?
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=40525.msg1182911#msg1182911 date=1285499803]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=40525.msg1182907#msg1182907 date=1285499070]
You're entitled to that opinion, mate..

I do get the feeling though that you'd change your tune about if Rafa had ever won it.

(Hasn't)
[/quote]

Yeah because Roy got it for getting to a Europa League final and losing, while Rafa didn't in 05 because he got us to our first European Cup final in 20 years and won.

Against all the odds after being 3-0 down at half time, in what was called 'the greatest European Cup final in history'.

Makes perfect sence to me, does it to you too?
[/quote]

They dish them out before the finals, so the result of either final wasn't the issue.
 
I don't really care about the awards, they mean nothing.

But your constant Hodgson bashing is motivated by your ludicrous views on Rafa; in fact you're arguably one of the imaginary strawmen Mamma Mia has accused me of creating.

(where is Mamma Mia anyway?)

I can very easily say that HOdgson has been rubbish, but you and some others on here will always be blind to the flaws of Rafa..some of which are the reason we're shit, and will be for some time.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=40525.msg1182915#msg1182915 date=1285500171]
I don't really care about the awards, they mean nothing.

But your constant Hodgson bashing is motivated by your ludicrous views on Rafa; in fact you're arguably one of the imaginary strawmen Mamma Mia has accused me of creating.

(where is Mamma Mia anyway?)

I can very easily say that HOdgson has been rubbish, but you and some others on here will always be blind to the flaws of Rafa..some of which are the reason we're shit, and will be for some time.
[/quote]

Wrong mate, I said Rafa had had his time, I also said if we are going to replace him we need someone better not someone worse.

I was overjoyed when Kenny put his name in the hat.

I was DISMAYED when Roy got the job, because he isn't Liverpool quality.

I would absoloutly LOVE Roy to prove me wrong because I love the CLUB not any player or Manager.

As I've stated before I started going the match when we was a 2nd Division team, my Grandad was a Red and Everton was the 'big team' at the time.

I firmly believe in the old addage 'No one is bigger than the club', I saw Keegan Leave, and Shanks retire, they was the 2 biggest upsets imaginable at the time, but we got Kenny insted of Keegan and we got Bob instead of Shanks.

Anyway, I hope I eat copius amounts of Humble Pie soon enough, but I honestly doubt it. I firmly believe that Roy isn't Liverpool quality, and want him gone before the damge he is doing is irreversible.
 
[quote author=ragehard link=topic=40525.msg1182914#msg1182914 date=1285500148]
he got the award out of a combination of pity, age and being english
[/quote]

In this case you're my poster of the year regardless of your age.
 
It will be a fantastic shitfest on here if the Fat waster wins nothing for Inter this season.

Can you imagine - from Treble winners to flops.

Oh that thread will be glorious.
 
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=40525.msg1182935#msg1182935 date=1285503440]
It will be a fantastic shitfest on here if the Fat waster wins nothing for Inter this season.

Can you imagine - from Treble winners to flops.

Oh that thread will be glorious.


[/quote]

Rafa's gone, why do you keep harping on about the past?
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40525.msg1182944#msg1182944 date=1285504178]
Why would anyone give a fuck, unless you're fucking retarded?

Oh.
[/quote]

Definitely this.
 
[quote author=ragehard link=topic=40525.msg1182914#msg1182914 date=1285500148]
he got the award out of a combination of pity, age and being english
[/quote]

Good to see you were on the panel that nominated him. This can be the only reason you know this to be true. What? You don't know its true?

Well getaway, Rage in posting his (shit) opinion shocker....

*yawn*
 
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