Rodgers' wife wants 51 house and half his wages.

[singlerider]

In a normal marriage, people support and help each other.

We've focused on the negative impact a wife could have so far, without considering the positive.

He could develop a drinking problem, or drugs, or gambling addiction that she helped him overcome. He could have developed depression that she supported him through and stayed by his side (many marriages do not survive this). These are relatively extreme examples, but on a much more banal level it could be simple things like acting as a sounding board when he was mulling something over, being a test dummy if he wanted to practice a press conference, she could have coached him in public speaking, maybe she taught him how to use the word synonymous correctly, she might have written his CVs because he didn't know how to use Word. There are myriad ways in which she could have had a positive or negative effect on his career, we won't know because we aren't privy to them, but the possibilities are there.

And you act like this is controversial?

 

[ILD]

I'm following this thread from the lines at Universal Studios. About to ride The Simpsons...back later by which time I'm sure we'll have all moved on.

I've been on that ride. Watch out for the 4d effects as you enter Maggie's mouth.

 

[ILD]

Christ that sounds awful taken out of context.

Disclaimer : Nothing sexual implied.

 

[peterhague]

In a normal marriage, people support and help each other.

We've focused on the negative impact a wife could have so far, without considering the positive.

He could develop a drinking problem, or drugs, or gambling addiction that she helped him overcome. He could have developed depression that she supported him through and stayed by his side (many marriages do not survive this). These are relatively extreme examples, but on a much more banal level it could be simple things like acting as a sounding board when he was mulling something over, being a test dummy if he wanted to practice a press conference, she could have coached him in public speaking, maybe she taught him how to use the word synonymous correctly, she might have written his CVs because he didn't know how to use Word. There are myriad ways in which she could have had a positive or negative effect on his career, we won't know because we aren't privy to them, but the possibilities are there.

And you act like this is controversial?

But I don't accept that such things materially influence the success of a husband's career. The humble binman's wife seems just as likely to offer that kind of support. Is he in her debt below a certain level of renumeration?

Must, say, Cherie Blair be an exceptionally supportive wife?

The whole premise is just nonsensical. What's more, it seems excessively mean-spirited to even attempt to place a monetary value on such voluntary and generally reciprocated support.

 

[jexykrodic]

According to reports the maintenance issue has been resolved for a while.

The battle is over the property business.

I expect a wise judge will make her (if she isn't already) a director of the company with equal pay and/or dividends with other directors and a share of any sale of the business in the future.

It may be that she wants the asset (business) sold and half the proceeds and he probably wants to continue in business, in which case his argument is much stronger. A judge isn't going to order the winding up of a business because of a divorce.

 

[singlerider]

You can 'not accept' it all you want peter, but it's an undeniable truth. I know of a couple of blokes that wouldn't have had even remotely the kind of career path they have were it not for the women in their lives, whether that be because they are pushy, supportive or whatever. The humble binman's wife may well offer the same kind of support, and no doubt would be compensated in a similar fashion if they were to split up. What Cherie Blair has to do with anything, fuck only knows.

To use a football analogy, if a club develops a youth player, who then moves on to another team - like Ings let's say - then the club that made him what he is will be given remuneration. Now, for all we know, that player could have been exceptionally talented and would have made it regardless, but the club put in place the support structures, helped him, gave him guidance and so on. Whilst undoubtedly a person would not magically become an amazing player simply by virtue of having these things in place, equally there have been plenty of talented youngsters that have disappeared of the face of the planet, never to be seen or heard of again.

The selling club is compensated for their role in developing the player. If a wife can demonstrate her role in developing the husband, why should she not be compensated for that?

 

[jexykrodic]

The selling club is compensated for their role in developing the player. If a wife can demonstrate her role in developing the husband, why should she not be compensated for that?

She will be.

There is already a maintenance agreement regards income.

The property assets are the issue at court.

 

[ILD]

I think Peter and SR are having a little personal side bar here that everyone else is avoiding. It's like watching two people rowing on the street. You are semi interested at first to see what's going on but you are in rush and have no time or need to get involved.

 

[keniget]

To use a football analogy, if a club develops a youth player, who then moves on to another team - like Ings let's say - then the club that made him what he is will be given remuneration. Now, for all we know, that player could have been exceptionally talented and would have made it regardless, but the club put in place the support structures, helped him, gave him guidance and so on. Whilst undoubtedly a person would not magically become an amazing player simply by virtue of having these things in place, equally there have been plenty of talented youngsters that have disappeared of the face of the planet, never to be seen or heard of again.

That doesn't work as an analogy.

Football club = company = professional setting.

It's not directly comparable to the support you get from your partner.

 

[keniget]

I think Peter and SR are having a little personal side bar here that everyone else is avoiding. It's like watching two people rowing on the street. You are semi interested at first to see what's going on but you are in rush and have no time or need to get involved.

I should've read your post first before responding!

 

[singlerider]

That doesn't work as an analogy.

Football club = company = professional setting.

It's not directly comparable to the support you get from your partner.

I didn't say it was a good analogy

 

[Farkmaster]

How many houses is proper recompense for having to hear a Rodgerian pontification about every subject? You know that they aren't exclusive to football.

 

[Rosco]

How many houses is proper recompense for having to hear a Rodgerian pontification about every subject? You know that they aren't exclusive to football.

We deserve one each

 

[Aidan O' Neill]

But I don't accept that such things materially influence the success of a husband's career. The humble binman's wife seems just as likely to offer that kind of support. Is he in her debt below a certain level of renumeration?

Must, say, Cherie Blair be an exceptionally supportive wife?

The whole premise is just nonsensical. What's more, it seems excessively mean-spirited to even attempt to place a monetary value on such voluntary and generally reciprocated support.

How can those things not affect the success of his career? Have you never had a bad day in your personal life that affected the quality of your work? Surely a better home life leads to a better working life in the vast majority of cases.

As an example my Mam worked part-time only about 5 or 6 days a month for a good 15-20 years, before returning to full time work, as she was looking after myself, my brother and my sister, and my Dad worked full time and also briefly studied while working to help elevate his career. They made a decision between them as to how best raise a family and also try have enough income to have a decent standard of living. He eventually ended up with a very good job before retiring this year, while my Mam's job remained mostly at the same level as she hadn't got to work as much or study as much as him. There is no way he could have had the same focus or his career and studies if he didn't know that his kids were definitely being looked after well at home or as sexist as it sounds would he have had the same time to put into studying or getting presentations ready for work if he had to cook all of his own dinners, sort his own washing, have to deal household bills, do school runs etc?

Thankfully, I don't think my folks are going to be divorcing, but if they did I reckon my Mam would be entitled to somewhere near 50% of what my Dad has.

 

[jexykrodic]

What the fuck has bad days and all the other bollocks got to do with 102 fucking houses?

The maintenance is sorted.

Do you kill the business and sell everything, continue the business and each derive an income, divvy the houses up and create 2 separate entities? and on and on and...

Neither is going to lack for cash it's only the houses that are at issue.

For fuckin fucks spunkin fuckin sake.

 

[tomasjj]

I didn't say it was a good analogy

Shouldn't need an analogy as those who have been in a proper adult relationship would know what we are talking about here.

 

[Athens]

Frankly you lot disgust me.

I can't believe my joke about Peter wanting his money off a girl after offering to buy her a drink didn't get any likes.

 

[cloggypop]

Buy her a joke?

 

[Athens]

Buy her a joke?

What are you talking about?

 

[cloggypop]

What are you talking about?

I didn't quote you as I thought you were better than that. I was wrong. So wrong.

 

[Athens]

I didn't quote you as I thought you were better than that. I was wrong. So wrong.

So wrong about what? I don't follow.

 

[Mors]

How can those things not affect the success of his career? Have you never had a bad day in your personal life that affected the quality of your work? Surely a better home life leads to a better working life in the vast majority of cases.

You're not behaving in a very professional manner if you're letting your home life impact your performance in the workplace on any sort of regular basis. I've known fella's that have been having a fucking nightmare with their other halves but it has not for 1 minute impacted how well they did their job. So would the other half's payout be reduced if she made him have many bad days? As surely if he's excellent as his job then it MUST be on a huge part down to his missus and not his dedication and hard work.

 

[nealmac]

How can those things not affect the success of his career? Have you never had a bad day in your personal life that affected the quality of your work? Surely a better home life leads to a better working life in the vast majority of cases.

As an example my Mam worked part-time only about 5 or 6 days a month for a good 15-20 years, before returning to full time work, as she was looking after myself, my brother and my sister, and my Dad worked full time and also briefly studied while working to help elevate his career. They made a decision between them as to how best raise a family and also try have enough income to have a decent standard of living. He eventually ended up with a very good job before retiring this year, while my Mam's job remained mostly at the same level as she hadn't got to work as much or study as much as him. There is no way he could have had the same focus or his career and studies if he didn't know that his kids were definitely being looked after well at home or as sexist as it sounds would he have had the same time to put into studying or getting presentations ready for work if he had to cook all of his own dinners, sort his own washing, have to deal household bills, do school runs etc?

Thankfully, I don't think my folks are going to be divorcing, but if they did I reckon my Mam would be entitled to somewhere near 50% of what my Dad has.

Spot the Irishman.

 

[Athens]

You're not behaving in a very professional manner if you're letting your home life impact your performance in the workplace on any sort of regular basis. I've known fella's that have been having a fucking nightmare with their other halves but it has not for 1 minute impacted how well they did their job. So would the other half's payout be reduced if she made him have many bad days? As surely if he's excellent as his job then it MUST be on a huge part down to his missus and not his dedication and hard work.

You're not behaving in a professional manner if you spend have your working day debating the divorce proceedings of the current Liverpool manager.

 

[nealmac]

You're not behaving in a very professional manner if you're letting your home life impact your performance in the workplace on any sort of regular basis. I've known fella's that have been having a fucking nightmare with their other halves but it has not for 1 minute impacted how well they did their job. So would the other half's payout be reduced if she made him have many bad days? As surely if he's excellent as his job then it MUST be on a huge part down to his missus and not his dedication and hard work.

My argument would be that family comes before work, whether it's good or bad issues. So fuck being professional.

 

[gkmacca]

 

[Insignificance]

Se can have half his squad as well!

 

[FoxForceFive]

Dear me, this is desperate stuff SR. I was responding, quite reasonably to the general intended message of your stupid fucking example, not the details. Whether or not the behaviour you described might reasonably lead to career ruination was hardly the point. It seemed pedantic and mean minded to question it. I thought the point you were making was that a wife could, in extremis, behave in such a way as to damage a husband's career. You backed it up with examples. It scarcely seems to be my responsibility to vet whether or not your example is sound when the real question is whether or not I accept the possibility of a wife's behaviour, WHATEVER IT IS WE DEEM NECESSARY, could have such an effect.

I do accept that, but quite obviously that behaviour would have to be extremely obnoxious. It wouldn't fall into the normal range of marital conduct (I think one of the examples you gave was spending a lot of cash and doing loads of shopping). But within the normal range of conduct between couples, yes I maintain that a wife has no effect on the husband's career.

Since I started staying at home with the kids Bex has been promoted three times & has passed over 50 exams in work.

When I worked she couldn't do any of it, cos we, as most couples have to, had to do the usual leaving work early, doing condensed weeks, not travelling too far for meetings & countless other concessions that parents have to make to be able to do their share. She's also been able to take holidays & study days off work to study cos I've been there to look after the kids, which she wouldn't have been able to do as she would have need the leave for school holidays.

I could have refused & gone to work, or worked nights, as some parents I know do, meaning she'd have to bear much more of the weight of parenting as well as working full time, one or both of us would have been working term time only, & I highly doubt she'd have progressed from her job at that time.

My actions wouldn't have been unreasonable, lots of parents choose to work instead of staying at home, but if they do so it's obvious that the other parent will have to make the usual concessions at work which inevitably stall their career.

I find it hard to believe that you don't know this already. You must work with people who have kids who's other real also works & see the amount of time they have to take off, the regular early finishes or late starts, inability to travel for work etc that being a parent entails, & realise that reduces their chances at progression. I suspect you're just being churlish to troll.

 

[Fabio]

Since I started staying at home with the kids Bex has been promoted three times & has passed over 50 exams in work.

When I worked she couldn't do any of it, cos we, as most couples have to, had to do the usual leaving work early, doing condensed weeks, not travelling too far for meetings & countless other concessions that parents have to make to be able to do their share. She's also been able to take holidays & study days off work to study cos I've been there to look after the kids, which she wouldn't have been able to do as she would have need the leave for school holidays.

I could have refused & gone to work, or worked nights, as some parents I know do, meaning she'd have to bear much more of the weight of parenting as well as working full time, one or both of us would have been working term time only, & I highly doubt she'd have progressed from her job at that time.

My actions wouldn't have been unreasonable, lots of parents choose to work instead of staying at home, but if they do so it's obvious that the other parent will have to make the usual concessions at work which inevitably stall their career.

I find it hard to believe that you don't know this already. You must work with people who have kids who's other real also works & see the amount of time they have to take off, the regular early finishes or late starts, inability to travel for work etc that being a parent entails, & realise that reduces their chances at progression. I suspect you're just being churlish to troll.

I just turned down an interview to do a 2 year nurse course because I couldn't afford a pay cut for 2 years with the El bambino

 

[peterhague]

You can 'not accept' it all you want peter, but it's an undeniable truth. I know of a couple of blokes that wouldn't have had even remotely the kind of career path they have were it not for the women in their lives, whether that be because they are pushy, supportive or whatever. The humble binman's wife may well offer the same kind of support, and no doubt would be compensated in a similar fashion if they were to split up. What Cherie Blair has to do with anything, fuck only knows.

To use a football analogy, if a club develops a youth player, who then moves on to another team - like Ings let's say - then the club that made him what he is will be given remuneration. Now, for all we know, that player could have been exceptionally talented and would have made it regardless, but the club put in place the support structures, helped him, gave him guidance and so on. Whilst undoubtedly a person would not magically become an amazing player simply by virtue of having these things in place, equally there have been plenty of talented youngsters that have disappeared of the face of the planet, never to be seen or heard of again.

The selling club is compensated for their role in developing the player. If a wife can demonstrate her role in developing the husband, why should she not be compensated for that?

You may well know such examples but the ownership rights of the woman in that success is so obviously unprovable that it's ludicrous to even try to put a value on her share.

In general such support as a man receives that can actually be identified as a contribution to his salary is fairly unvarying: labour time saved on cooking and cleaning, and if there are children, the value of her contribution there. Something in the order of £5k a year would seem generous compensation. And that's for a non-working wife, too!