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I think there may be some arrogance on our part here. We are not the finished article yet. It does look good. And united just signed one of the words best strikers. The team may be unbalanced, but they can take points off us with falcao. Their financial dealings will come back to bite them but I wouldn't write them off yet.
I'm not writing them off either, and personally I don't like the Falcao deal one bit.
But I think top they're taking massive massive risks with these deals. IMO top 4 is unlikely for them this year simply because they'll just run out of time, and these short term and very indulgent signings are going to make it harder than it should be next year as well. And I think if they fail then too then they really are in big trouble, because their rivals will just get stronger and stronger: every one of them would have near complete squads to build on, and ample funds to fine tune them with.
Am I right to say this is basically the squad United have now, as in guys who will be getting into the matchday squad of 18 over a season?
GK: De Gea, Lindegaard, Amos
CB: Evans, Jones, Smalling, Blackett
WB: Rafael, Rojo, Shaw, Valencia, Young
CM: Herrera, Blind, Carrick, Fellaini, Fletcher, Anderson
AM: Di María, Januzaj, Mata, Lingard
FW: Rooney, van Persie, Falcao
That squad looks like they could give Everton and Spurs good competition for the Europa League places, since they're unburdened by European and Carling Cup involvement, and because Spurs have inexplicably left themselves with a forward rotation of Adebayor, Soldado and Kane, while Everton have decided that Baines, Jagielka and Distin will get better with age.
The names in italics are either youngsters whom I don't have an idea about, or who're new to the league and it remains to be seen how they'll adapt. The guys in bold red are either due for replacement as a result of age, injuries knocking them back, problems fitting in, or just general shitness. Some of them were good enough for a title-winning squad at some point previously, but we're dealing with the here, now and a season from now, and I can't see how these guys can be relied upon for this or next season.
And then you look at the forward line - their best department - and you think "World Class" but...
- Rooney is past his peak at 28 though still a good threat on a day when he's not looking constipated;
- Van Persie is 31 and coming off an injury-filled season, and who knows if the rumours about his knee are true;
- and Falcao is 28 with 2 major knee injuries behind him (albeit about 7 - 8 years apart), and also only there for a season - for now.
As we keep being reminded, the Mancs have the money to spend their way out of it but there's a lot of work for them to do over a few transfer windows (and by then, their strikers need replacing too - joy, more overspending!). Then there's the cloud hanging over them on whether their owners will actually still sanction spending on this scale if they're not getting the outcomes to match. And of course, if that comes to pass (outcomes not matching spending), there's also the question of whether Van Gaal will even be around. A new manager, another rebuild again over a few windows, etc. We've been through it all, we know how it's like. Good stuff.
GK: De Gea, Lindegaard, Amos
CB: Evans, Jones, Smalling, Blackett
WB: Rafael, Rojo, Shaw, Valencia, Young
CM: Herrera, Blind, Carrick, Fellaini, Fletcher, Anderson
AM: Di María, Januzaj, Mata, Lingard
FW: Rooney, van Persie, Falcao
That squad looks like they could give Everton and Spurs good competition for the Europa League places, since they're unburdened by European and Carling Cup involvement, and because Spurs have inexplicably left themselves with a forward rotation of Adebayor, Soldado and Kane, while Everton have decided that Baines, Jagielka and Distin will get better with age.
The names in italics are either youngsters whom I don't have an idea about, or who're new to the league and it remains to be seen how they'll adapt. The guys in bold red are either due for replacement as a result of age, injuries knocking them back, problems fitting in, or just general shitness. Some of them were good enough for a title-winning squad at some point previously, but we're dealing with the here, now and a season from now, and I can't see how these guys can be relied upon for this or next season.
And then you look at the forward line - their best department - and you think "World Class" but...
- Rooney is past his peak at 28 though still a good threat on a day when he's not looking constipated;
- Van Persie is 31 and coming off an injury-filled season, and who knows if the rumours about his knee are true;
- and Falcao is 28 with 2 major knee injuries behind him (albeit about 7 - 8 years apart), and also only there for a season - for now.
As we keep being reminded, the Mancs have the money to spend their way out of it but there's a lot of work for them to do over a few transfer windows (and by then, their strikers need replacing too - joy, more overspending!). Then there's the cloud hanging over them on whether their owners will actually still sanction spending on this scale if they're not getting the outcomes to match. And of course, if that comes to pass (outcomes not matching spending), there's also the question of whether Van Gaal will even be around. A new manager, another rebuild again over a few windows, etc. We've been through it all, we know how it's like. Good stuff.
United easily have a better attack than us, if they can just get things to click they'll be right up there. And who gives a fuck if they spend loads, they can afford it, and not because of some oil baron cunts either.
There arnt half some massive cunts on here when it comes to dealing with opposition fans
There arnt half some massive cunts on here when it comes to dealing with opposition fans
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Well Falcao's £347k (gross), £175k (net) is going to take a massive bite out of those savings.
Not on his performances this season .. he's probably being over-rated !
Is Batfink a duck?
Seriously ! Where did this gem come from Portly ? I love it - what an insane clause.
Oliver Kay Chief Football Correspondent
Last updated at 12:01AM, September 2 2014
Manchester United’s extravagant spending reflects how fast times have changed for the club, Oliver Kay writes
What a difference a year makes. Twelve months ago, the final hours of the transfer window were an embarrassment for Manchester United as frantic late moves to sign Fábio Coentrão and Ander Herrera left Marouane Fellaini as their only summer signing. This time it has been all about the thrill of the chase: Luke Shaw, Herrera, Marcos Rojo, Ángel di María, Daley Blind and finally Radamel Falcao.
It is among the most extravagant outlays in the game’s history and it represents two very distinct and different phenomena. The first is the Glazer family’s overdue realisation that underinvestment was no longer possible in the post-Ferguson era. The second, less welcome, is the extent of United’s descent into the type of spending patterns that Sir Alex Ferguson, not so long ago, described as “kamikaze”.
In the space of 12 months, starting with that ill-fated deal for Fellaini, United’s transfer expenditure has exceeded £200 million and, for all Louis van Gaal’s talk of “philosophy”, it has seemed as wild and extravagant as the worst excesses of Chelsea under Roman Abramovich or Manchester City under Sheikh Mansour. Certainly, it will be a long time before anyone at Old Trafford dares to accuse Chelsea, City, Paris Saint-Germain or any other nouveau riche club of inflating the transfer market again.
So much of United’s business over the past year or so seems to have been more about the desire of Ed Woodward, the executive vice-chairman, to make a statement than about creating or sustaining the kind of philosophy to which Van Gaal alludes. The £37.5 million signing of Juan Mata only seemed to make sense if Wayne Rooney was on his way out, yet a fortnight later Rooney was signing a new contract worth a projected £300,000 a week. The signings of Rojo, Shaw and Blind made sense in the context of Van Gaal’s seemingly unswerving dedication to a 3-4-1-2 formation, but now, after a poor start, the talk is of a switch to a flat back four.
Some of the talk within Old Trafford of late is that, if United are back in the Champions League next season, the outlay will have proved more than worthwhile. Yes, it is essential that United force their way back into Europe’s elite competition and yes, their chances of doing so have improved with just about each one of those deals, but to add £200 million worth of talent to a title-winning squad should have been a guarantee that just about every weakness, short-term and long-term, was addressed. That has not been the case.
Much has been made of United’s defensive deficiencies, particularly since Rio Ferdinand, Nemanja Vidic and Patrice Evra departed this summer, and the lack of steel and energy in midfield. There have also been growing concerns about the lack of chemistry between Mata, Rooney and Robin van Persie in attack. Whether the way forward under Van Gaal is 3-4-1-2, 4-3-1-2, 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, it is not easy to discern a consistency of vision in United’s transfer policy, even in the four months since they sacked David Moyes.
Then there is the knock-on effect of this outlay. United have always prided themselves on developing their own young players. Ferguson, while bemoaning others’ tendency to “pay stupid money and silly salaries”, spoke two years ago of United’s dedication to preserving a home-grown core within the team and squad. Even if Tom Cleverley and Danny Welbeck are hardly of the class of David Beckham or Paul Scholes, it feels as if something might have been lost in the rush to clear the decks to make way for a vanity signing or two.
When Ferguson spoke of other clubs spending “stupid money”, he was talking about City’s deals to signs, among others, Yaya Touré, David Silva and Sergio Agüero. Now, suddenly, City, Chelsea and others hear of the figures that United are offering for Shaw, Di María and Falcao and they leave them alone to get on with their business. No doubt they preferred the days when the Glazers were sucking United dry, but not too many of this summer’s deals will cause sleepless nights at the Etihad Stadium or at Stamford Bridge, where they know very well that spending wildly does not guarantee success.
Last updated at 12:01AM, September 2 2014
Manchester United’s extravagant spending reflects how fast times have changed for the club, Oliver Kay writes
What a difference a year makes. Twelve months ago, the final hours of the transfer window were an embarrassment for Manchester United as frantic late moves to sign Fábio Coentrão and Ander Herrera left Marouane Fellaini as their only summer signing. This time it has been all about the thrill of the chase: Luke Shaw, Herrera, Marcos Rojo, Ángel di María, Daley Blind and finally Radamel Falcao.
It is among the most extravagant outlays in the game’s history and it represents two very distinct and different phenomena. The first is the Glazer family’s overdue realisation that underinvestment was no longer possible in the post-Ferguson era. The second, less welcome, is the extent of United’s descent into the type of spending patterns that Sir Alex Ferguson, not so long ago, described as “kamikaze”.
In the space of 12 months, starting with that ill-fated deal for Fellaini, United’s transfer expenditure has exceeded £200 million and, for all Louis van Gaal’s talk of “philosophy”, it has seemed as wild and extravagant as the worst excesses of Chelsea under Roman Abramovich or Manchester City under Sheikh Mansour. Certainly, it will be a long time before anyone at Old Trafford dares to accuse Chelsea, City, Paris Saint-Germain or any other nouveau riche club of inflating the transfer market again.
So much of United’s business over the past year or so seems to have been more about the desire of Ed Woodward, the executive vice-chairman, to make a statement than about creating or sustaining the kind of philosophy to which Van Gaal alludes. The £37.5 million signing of Juan Mata only seemed to make sense if Wayne Rooney was on his way out, yet a fortnight later Rooney was signing a new contract worth a projected £300,000 a week. The signings of Rojo, Shaw and Blind made sense in the context of Van Gaal’s seemingly unswerving dedication to a 3-4-1-2 formation, but now, after a poor start, the talk is of a switch to a flat back four.
Some of the talk within Old Trafford of late is that, if United are back in the Champions League next season, the outlay will have proved more than worthwhile. Yes, it is essential that United force their way back into Europe’s elite competition and yes, their chances of doing so have improved with just about each one of those deals, but to add £200 million worth of talent to a title-winning squad should have been a guarantee that just about every weakness, short-term and long-term, was addressed. That has not been the case.
Much has been made of United’s defensive deficiencies, particularly since Rio Ferdinand, Nemanja Vidic and Patrice Evra departed this summer, and the lack of steel and energy in midfield. There have also been growing concerns about the lack of chemistry between Mata, Rooney and Robin van Persie in attack. Whether the way forward under Van Gaal is 3-4-1-2, 4-3-1-2, 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, it is not easy to discern a consistency of vision in United’s transfer policy, even in the four months since they sacked David Moyes.
Then there is the knock-on effect of this outlay. United have always prided themselves on developing their own young players. Ferguson, while bemoaning others’ tendency to “pay stupid money and silly salaries”, spoke two years ago of United’s dedication to preserving a home-grown core within the team and squad. Even if Tom Cleverley and Danny Welbeck are hardly of the class of David Beckham or Paul Scholes, it feels as if something might have been lost in the rush to clear the decks to make way for a vanity signing or two.
When Ferguson spoke of other clubs spending “stupid money”, he was talking about City’s deals to signs, among others, Yaya Touré, David Silva and Sergio Agüero. Now, suddenly, City, Chelsea and others hear of the figures that United are offering for Shaw, Di María and Falcao and they leave them alone to get on with their business. No doubt they preferred the days when the Glazers were sucking United dry, but not too many of this summer’s deals will cause sleepless nights at the Etihad Stadium or at Stamford Bridge, where they know very well that spending wildly does not guarantee success.
It was only something I heard on TV - the Sky News newspaper review. The journalists Kevin McGuire and Andrew Pierce were discussing the Falcao deal and I think it was Pierce who said that Rooney's contract specifies that he has to be the highest-paid player at the club. I have done a Google search on Rooney's contract but can't find anything to substantiate it.
Go have a wank and calm down froggy.
I did admit I should probably not bother with the thread in the post you quoted, but fair play, I see where you're coming from. Each to their own.
Interesting article Macca but not so sure either City or Chelsea would agree with his conclusion :
Both of them bought their way to multiple trophies !
I'm hugely disappointed but confident in my prediction that United will make Top 4 this season at the expense of Arsenal.
Revised.
1. City (strength in depth over CFC)
2. Chelsea
3. Liverpool (very impressed with the performances of all the signings so far and Sterling, Sturridge, Allen and Henderson look like they are stepping up even on last season's performances).
4. United (have strengthened enough to overcome Arsenal)
5. Arsenal (have been unimpressed with both their signings, bar Sanchez, and their performances so far. Replacing Giroud with Welbeck until January is a massive step down in the actual goal scoring dept and Sanchez is not a CF).
6. Everton
7. Spurs (flat track bullies)
8. Southampton (Koeman is a good manager and they have bought well, bar Pelle)
Both of them bought their way to multiple trophies !
I'm hugely disappointed but confident in my prediction that United will make Top 4 this season at the expense of Arsenal.
Revised.
1. City (strength in depth over CFC)
2. Chelsea
3. Liverpool (very impressed with the performances of all the signings so far and Sterling, Sturridge, Allen and Henderson look like they are stepping up even on last season's performances).
4. United (have strengthened enough to overcome Arsenal)
5. Arsenal (have been unimpressed with both their signings, bar Sanchez, and their performances so far. Replacing Giroud with Welbeck until January is a massive step down in the actual goal scoring dept and Sanchez is not a CF).
6. Everton
7. Spurs (flat track bullies)
8. Southampton (Koeman is a good manager and they have bought well, bar Pelle)
Not if he thinks like Borini he won't.
Borini is rumoured to want 100k a week...
If he thinks like Borini he'd probably want £1million a week.
Nah, he's a cunt apparently
Or that Borini is honouring the contract he signed with the club.
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