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Reds line up Deschamps to replace Roy

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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43294.msg1238180#msg1238180 date=1293488500]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=43294.msg1238177#msg1238177 date=1293487193]
Looks like it mate.

Anything else seems very optimistic to me.
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there's no point in getting rid of him sooner to be honest.
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We are 6 points off bottom, thats a good enough reason!

The christmas games have been Roys most succesfull 2 match run, both games postponed and he hasn't dropped any points at last
 
There's no point in removing Roy until we have the man we want lined up.

It's pretty obvious that any wish of Dalglish taking temporary charge is going to remain just that - a wish.
 
Obviously it would be great to get a good manager in right now, but if we have to wait til the summer then so be it. That certainly is preferable to getting someone only slightly less average in now on a 3 year contract.

Deschamps now > Hodgson til summer and then Deschamps >>>>>>>>> O'Neill now on a 3 year contract >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hodgson for another 3 years
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43294.msg1238180#msg1238180 date=1293488500]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=43294.msg1238177#msg1238177 date=1293487193]
Looks like it mate.

Anything else seems very optimistic to me.
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there's no point in getting rid of him sooner to be honest.
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Rubbish.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=43294.msg1238194#msg1238194 date=1293497145]
There's no point in removing Roy until we have the man we want lined up.

It's pretty obvious that any wish of Dalglish taking temporary charge is going to remain just that - a wish.
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Damage limitation and all that, he needs to go, sharpish and I don't think the Kenny thing is a pipe-dream.

I wonder what would have happened if we'd play Blackpool and got beat.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43294.msg1238228#msg1238228 date=1293529712]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43294.msg1238180#msg1238180 date=1293488500]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=43294.msg1238177#msg1238177 date=1293487193]
Looks like it mate.

Anything else seems very optimistic to me.
[/quote]

there's no point in getting rid of him sooner to be honest.
[/quote]

Rubbish.
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you'd be sacking him with five months to go and if the long term manager isn't available till the summer you'd be putting kenny in charge which is a litte disrespectful to kenny, that's saying 'you're good enough in the short term not the long term'.

sacking roy before nov would have at least made sense from a money point of view as you'd only have to pay him a years salary. sacking him now means he gets the rest of his contract paid up so there is no benefit money wise.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43294.msg1238268#msg1238268 date=1293539425]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43294.msg1238228#msg1238228 date=1293529712]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43294.msg1238180#msg1238180 date=1293488500]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=43294.msg1238177#msg1238177 date=1293487193]
Looks like it mate.

Anything else seems very optimistic to me.
[/quote]

there's no point in getting rid of him sooner to be honest.
[/quote]

Rubbish.
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you'd be sacking him with five months to go and if the long term manager isn't available till the summer you'd be putting kenny in charge which is a litte disrespectful to kenny, that's saying 'you're good enough in the short term not the long term'.

sacking roy before nov would have at least made sense from a money point of view as you'd only have to pay him a years salary. sacking him now means he gets the rest of his contract paid up so there is no benefit money wise.
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The paying up of his contract is a bit of a myth though, because there are usually clauses within which allow the club some rights over reasonable sacking, and winning just one away game surely qualifies.

There's no point keeping hold of him for the sake of it, the squad is what it is and we can do better with it, keeping hold of him just means that we'll win most home games and lose practically every away match.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=43294.msg1238273#msg1238273 date=1293539619]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43294.msg1238268#msg1238268 date=1293539425]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43294.msg1238228#msg1238228 date=1293529712]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43294.msg1238180#msg1238180 date=1293488500]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=43294.msg1238177#msg1238177 date=1293487193]
Looks like it mate.

Anything else seems very optimistic to me.
[/quote]

there's no point in getting rid of him sooner to be honest.
[/quote]

Rubbish.
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you'd be sacking him with five months to go and if the long term manager isn't available till the summer you'd be putting kenny in charge which is a litte disrespectful to kenny, that's saying 'you're good enough in the short term not the long term'.

sacking roy before nov would have at least made sense from a money point of view as you'd only have to pay him a years salary. sacking him now means he gets the rest of his contract paid up so there is no benefit money wise.
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The paying up of his contract is a bit of a myth though, because there are usually clauses within which allow the club some rights over reasonable sacking, and winning just one away game surely qualifies.

There's no point keeping hold of him for the sake of it, the squad is what it is and we can do better with it, keeping hold of him just means that we'll win most home games and lose practically every away match.
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hey, no one hates roy me than me but I just don't see the point of removing him this far into the season, and replace him with whom?
if we are going to give the job to kenny then we should GIVE the job to kenny. say we give the job to kenny and we go on a losing streak? what then? say we give the job to kenny and we go on a winning streak? 'thanks for amazing job you did kenny but we always had (insert manager) in mind'.
 
After all this time, I think Kenny would be content with a caretaker role Neil, I doubt he's under any illusions that he can just walk in and take over and he'll probably relish the opportunity to prove himself.
 
Kenny would always put the club before himself and accept any decision.

He doesn't seem the sort to hold any grudges and I think he would be happy to help the club in anyway he can

I would be extremely surprised if Henry offered him the job though.
 
I know people are desparate to get rid (no one more than me) but let's be honest here, there are only five months to go till the end of the season.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43294.msg1238268#msg1238268 date=1293539425]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43294.msg1238228#msg1238228 date=1293529712]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43294.msg1238180#msg1238180 date=1293488500]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=43294.msg1238177#msg1238177 date=1293487193]
Looks like it mate.

Anything else seems very optimistic to me.
[/quote]

there's no point in getting rid of him sooner to be honest.
[/quote]

Rubbish.
[/quote]

you'd be sacking him with five months to go and if the long term manager isn't available till the summer you'd be putting kenny in charge which is a litte disrespectful to kenny, that's saying 'you're good enough in the short term not the long term'.[/quote]

It's true that showing Roy had been shown the door earlier would have made good financial sense, but that's far from being the only factor involved. Keeping him on now will ensure that the new guy starts off on the back foot, and that's well worth avoiding.

As for that stuff about "disrespectful" - nonsense, I'm afraid. Kenny wanted the job on a caretaker basis in the first place. It was far more disrespectful NOT to give him the job, and still would be given the almighty cock-up Roy's made of it.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43294.msg1238278#msg1238278 date=1293540427]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43294.msg1238268#msg1238268 date=1293539425]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43294.msg1238228#msg1238228 date=1293529712]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43294.msg1238180#msg1238180 date=1293488500]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=43294.msg1238177#msg1238177 date=1293487193]
Looks like it mate.

Anything else seems very optimistic to me.
[/quote]

there's no point in getting rid of him sooner to be honest.
[/quote]

Rubbish.
[/quote]

you'd be sacking him with five months to go and if the long term manager isn't available till the summer you'd be putting kenny in charge which is a litte disrespectful to kenny, that's saying 'you're good enough in the short term not the long term'.[/quote]

It's true that showing Roy had been shown the door earlier would have made good financial sense, but that's far from being the only factor involved. Keeping him on now will ensure that the new guy starts off on the back foot, and that's well worth avoiding.

As for that stuff about "disrespectful" - nonsense, I'm afraid. Kenny wanted the job on a caretaker basis in the first place. It was far more disrespectful NOT to give him the job, and still would be given the almighty cock-up Roy's made of it.
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we're midtable midiocrity, the new manager is starting on the back foot regards.
I wanted roy removed before the transfer window at all costs but now we have a DoF, 'meh', it's not like roy is going to be calling the shots with regards to signings.
 
We're performing like midtable mediocrity but we don't have to, and junking Roy pronto is one major key to changing that, both to get the existing players playing and to make sure he has NO voice (which isn't the case at the moment, despite your attempt to wave the matter away) in future signings.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=43294.msg1238275#msg1238275 date=1293540174]
After all this time, I think Kenny would be content with a caretaker role Neil, I doubt he's under any illusions that he can just walk in and take over and he'll probably relish the opportunity to prove himself.
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Would Kenny be any better than roy? Honest question.

Take the sentimentality out of it.
 
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=43294.msg1238286#msg1238286 date=1293541668]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=43294.msg1238275#msg1238275 date=1293540174]
After all this time, I think Kenny would be content with a caretaker role Neil, I doubt he's under any illusions that he can just walk in and take over and he'll probably relish the opportunity to prove himself.
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Would Kenny be any better than roy? Honest question.

Take the sentimentality out of it.
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Could he be any worse? Seriously?

At least his heart is in the right place, he's been around the club for decades and he won't give Alzheimer riddled interviews.
 
DD would be the obvious choice currently it would seem.

Which of the 3 options are best for the team this season though?

Sack Roy now and pay the money for DD
Sack Roy now and bring in Kenny as a caretaker til the summer (if he proves himself give him the job)
Leave Roy til the summer and bring in DD then?
 
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=43294.msg1238286#msg1238286 date=1293541668]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=43294.msg1238275#msg1238275 date=1293540174]
After all this time, I think Kenny would be content with a caretaker role Neil, I doubt he's under any illusions that he can just walk in and take over and he'll probably relish the opportunity to prove himself.
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Would Kenny be any better than roy? Honest question.

Take the sentimentality out of it.
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Would a manager who has won the title with 2 different clubs be better than Roy who has won 7 away games in 4 years?

Is that a serious question?
 
I'd take Des Champ as manager in a heartbeat.

Actually been one of my favoured candidates all along. Whenever I've seen Marseille play they've impressed me with their attacking style and the fact he won the Ligue 1 in his first year there with a team that had gone without a league-trophy for 20-years says it all.
 
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=43294.msg1238297#msg1238297 date=1293544162]
DD would be the obvious choice currently it would seem.

Which of the 3 options are best for the team this season though?

Sack Roy now and pay the money for DD
Sack Roy now and bring in Kenny as a caretaker til the summer (if he proves himself give him the job)
Leave Roy til the summer and bring in DD then?
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Option 2 without the bit in brackets, which the King won't want. Option 1 would be the next best, but costlier than it need be. Option 3 IMHO is ridiculous and would achieve nothing except making the current situation worse.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43294.msg1238274#msg1238274 date=1293540029]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=43294.msg1238273#msg1238273 date=1293539619]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43294.msg1238268#msg1238268 date=1293539425]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43294.msg1238228#msg1238228 date=1293529712]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43294.msg1238180#msg1238180 date=1293488500]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=43294.msg1238177#msg1238177 date=1293487193]
Looks like it mate.

Anything else seems very optimistic to me.
[/quote]

there's no point in getting rid of him sooner to be honest.
[/quote]

Rubbish.
[/quote]

you'd be sacking him with five months to go and if the long term manager isn't available till the summer you'd be putting kenny in charge which is a litte disrespectful to kenny, that's saying 'you're good enough in the short term not the long term'.

sacking roy before nov would have at least made sense from a money point of view as you'd only have to pay him a years salary. sacking him now means he gets the rest of his contract paid up so there is no benefit money wise.
[/quote]

The paying up of his contract is a bit of a myth though, because there are usually clauses within which allow the club some rights over reasonable sacking, and winning just one away game surely qualifies.

There's no point keeping hold of him for the sake of it, the squad is what it is and we can do better with it, keeping hold of him just means that we'll win most home games and lose practically every away match.
[/quote]

hey, no one hates roy me than me but I just don't see the point of removing him this far into the season, and replace him with whom?if we are going to give the job to kenny then we should GIVE the job to kenny. say we give the job to kenny and we go on a losing streak? what then? say we give the job to kenny and we go on a winning streak? 'thanks for amazing job you did kenny but we always had (insert manager) in mind'.
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We are not far from relegation... And still have plenty of awaygames to go!
 
Success as player? Check.
Success as manager? Check.
Plays good football? Check.
Speaks perfect English? Check.
Understands the Premierleague? Check.

Flawless.
 
There is seriously nothing good to come from Roy still being here now. I'm at a loss as to why he's still in a job now. I would have sacked him after 8 games this season.

If we don't beat Wolves, and he doesn't get the sack, I'll have to question the mentality of the board. Like Mark (I think) said, could Kenny be any worse? He's got to go. Now. Before he can inflict any more, and lasting, damage at the club, especially with the transfer window looming.

With regards to Deschamps, he looks good on paper. I'd be optimistic about him coming in.
 
What would worry me if they do keep Roy on is that it would have to mean they regard this season as a complete write-off already (as apparently do those fellow Reds on here who've been supporting that option). I would never, ever want anybody connected with the club to be that defeatist under any circumstances, but I also think it would be a serious mistake in its own right because it would underestimate the importance of limiting the damage already being done by a failing management regime.
 
[quote author=JimmyK link=topic=43294.msg1238315#msg1238315 date=1293545737]
Success as player? Check.[/quote]

is that relavent?

[quote author=JimmyK link=topic=43294.msg1238315#msg1238315 date=1293545737]
Success as manager? Check.[/quote]

but not in the top two leagues in world football.

[quote author=JimmyK link=topic=43294.msg1238315#msg1238315 date=1293545737]
Plays good football? Check.[/quote]

that's good to know.

[quote author=JimmyK link=topic=43294.msg1238315#msg1238315 date=1293545737]
Speaks perfect English? Check.[/quote]

that's good to know.

[quote author=JimmyK link=topic=43294.msg1238315#msg1238315 date=1293545737]
Understands the Premierleague? Check.[/quote]

as a player rather than a manager.

[quote author=JimmyK link=topic=43294.msg1238315#msg1238315 date=1293545737]
Flawless.
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not quite, and not my first choice but certainly a good choice if we do go for him.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43294.msg1238317#msg1238317 date=1293545979]
Haha.

For sale on eBay: 50,000 French rifles. Never used. Only dropped once.
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43294.msg1238323#msg1238323 date=1293546440]
What would worry me if they do keep Roy on is that it would have to mean they regard this season as a complete write-off already (as apparently do those fellow Reds on here who've been supporting that option). I would never, ever want anybody connected with the club to be that defeatist under any circumstances, but I also think it would be a serious mistake in its own right because it would underestimate the importance of limiting the damage already being done by a failing management regime.
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Yeah, definitely. It's also another year of mediocrity/shite that Gerrard has had to endure. He doesn't deserve that in his career now, every year is precious to him. It could also be one season too many of shite for Torres, and he'll decide to be off. I think Torres will leave anyway, at the end of the season. But we shouldn't be so resigned to it.

Also, with how shite this league is this year, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that we can get into the Champions league places if we put a good run together in the second half of the season.

It would definitely send out the wrong message if we just accept being shite and finish 11th, while an average Man Utd side claim the 19th league title. It wouldn't be the Liverpool Football Club we know and love without such fight and passion.
 
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[quote author=StevieM link=topic=43294.msg1238286#msg1238286 date=1293541668]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=43294.msg1238275#msg1238275 date=1293540174]
After all this time, I think Kenny would be content with a caretaker role Neil, I doubt he's under any illusions that he can just walk in and take over and he'll probably relish the opportunity to prove himself.
[/quote]

Would Kenny be any better than roy? Honest question.

Take the sentimentality out of it.
[/quote]

Would a manager who has won the title with 2 different clubs be better than Roy who has won 7 away games in 4 years?

Is that a serious question?
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If the manager in question hasn't managed a team in over a decade, then yes I t6hink it's a very serious question.

It's not about Dalglish's love of the club, nor his willingness to do the job - it's about his ability to be effective as a manager here and now.

Don't gte me wrong, Dalglish IS the reason I started watching football, let alone supporting Liverpool - but it may very well end in tears if he comes back in a management capacity.
 
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