There's never been a managerial appointment/change which didn't carry an element of risk, but I don't see any case at all for arguing that bringing Kenny back as caretaker "may very well" end in tears.
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43294.msg1238355#msg1238355 date=1293551761]
There's never been a managerial appointment/change which didn't carry an element of risk, but I don't see any case at all for arguing that bringing Kenny back as caretaker "may very well" end in tears.
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He hasn't managed a team in over a decade and his last 2 managerial appointments ended "in tears" (he ended up going to court with Celtic).
The thing his.. despite Roy being completely unsuitable for the job, I'm not convinced Dalglish would at this stage, do a better job.
We're not going to finish in the top 4.. let's be absolutely clear about that.... but equally we're not going to be relegated. Personally I'd be fucking delighted is we didn't make the Europa League next season (I've had my fill of watching us at 3am on a Monday morning).
Seriously... what's Dalglish going to do.... the last time he managed, his teams weren't renouned for attacking verve... so he4's not going to transform us in to a Barnes/Beardsley/Alderidgesque footballing wankfest.
What will happen if he's appointed is... we'll still be shite... and Dalglish will steer us to our lowest league position in fuck knows how long before being "kindly" relived of managerial duties at the end of the season.
I don't want that.
There's never been a managerial appointment/change which didn't carry an element of risk, but I don't see any case at all for arguing that bringing Kenny back as caretaker "may very well" end in tears.
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He hasn't managed a team in over a decade and his last 2 managerial appointments ended "in tears" (he ended up going to court with Celtic).
The thing his.. despite Roy being completely unsuitable for the job, I'm not convinced Dalglish would at this stage, do a better job.
We're not going to finish in the top 4.. let's be absolutely clear about that.... but equally we're not going to be relegated. Personally I'd be fucking delighted is we didn't make the Europa League next season (I've had my fill of watching us at 3am on a Monday morning).
Seriously... what's Dalglish going to do.... the last time he managed, his teams weren't renouned for attacking verve... so he4's not going to transform us in to a Barnes/Beardsley/Alderidgesque footballing wankfest.
What will happen if he's appointed is... we'll still be shite... and Dalglish will steer us to our lowest league position in fuck knows how long before being "kindly" relived of managerial duties at the end of the season.
I don't want that.
The best option by far is, Roy out now and the new man in now. Every day Roy stays we sink further into the mire.
[quote author=JimmyK link=topic=43294.msg1238315#msg1238315 date=1293545737]
Success as player? Check.
Success as manager? Check.
Plays good football? Check.
Speaks perfect English? Check.
Understands the Premierleague? Check.
Flawless.
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Hmmm i remember in the summer when people checked Roys boxes and concluded with him being the best signing around.
Success as player? Check.
Success as manager? Check.
Plays good football? Check.
Speaks perfect English? Check.
Understands the Premierleague? Check.
Flawless.
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Hmmm i remember in the summer when people checked Roys boxes and concluded with him being the best signing around.
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=43294.msg1238369#msg1238369 date=1293554517]
[quote author=JimmyK link=topic=43294.msg1238315#msg1238315 date=1293545737]
Success as player? Check.
Success as manager? Check.
Plays good football? Check.
Speaks perfect English? Check.
Understands the Premierleague? Check.
Flawless.
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Hmmm i remember in the summer when people checked Roys boxes and concluded with him being the best signing around.
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Yeah there was some right Divs shouting a lot early doors, but they have all gone quiet now
[quote author=JimmyK link=topic=43294.msg1238315#msg1238315 date=1293545737]
Success as player? Check.
Success as manager? Check.
Plays good football? Check.
Speaks perfect English? Check.
Understands the Premierleague? Check.
Flawless.
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Hmmm i remember in the summer when people checked Roys boxes and concluded with him being the best signing around.
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Yeah there was some right Divs shouting a lot early doors, but they have all gone quiet now
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Squiggles
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[quote author=Asbo link=topic=43294.msg1238370#msg1238370 date=1293554598]
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=43294.msg1238369#msg1238369 date=1293554517]
[quote author=JimmyK link=topic=43294.msg1238315#msg1238315 date=1293545737]
Success as player? Check.
Success as manager? Check.
Plays good football? Check.
Speaks perfect English? Check.
Understands the Premierleague? Check.
Flawless.
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Hmmm i remember in the summer when people checked Roys boxes and concluded with him being the best signing around.
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Yeah there was some right Divs shouting a lot early doors, but they have all gone quiet now
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No, they haven't. Anyone who wanted Roy in as Manager has said they were wrong at some point or another.
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=43294.msg1238369#msg1238369 date=1293554517]
[quote author=JimmyK link=topic=43294.msg1238315#msg1238315 date=1293545737]
Success as player? Check.
Success as manager? Check.
Plays good football? Check.
Speaks perfect English? Check.
Understands the Premierleague? Check.
Flawless.
[/quote]
Hmmm i remember in the summer when people checked Roys boxes and concluded with him being the best signing around.
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Yeah there was some right Divs shouting a lot early doors, but they have all gone quiet now
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No, they haven't. Anyone who wanted Roy in as Manager has said they were wrong at some point or another.
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=43294.msg1238360#msg1238360 date=1293553284]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43294.msg1238355#msg1238355 date=1293551761]
There's never been a managerial appointment/change which didn't carry an element of risk, but I don't see any case at all for arguing that bringing Kenny back as caretaker "may very well" end in tears.
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He hasn't managed a team in over a decade and his last 2 managerial appointments ended "in tears" (he ended up going to court with Celtic).
The thing his.. despite Roy being completely unsuitable for the job, I'm not convinced Dalglish would at this stage, do a better job.
We're not going to finish in the top 4.. let's be absolutely clear about that.... but equally we're not going to be relegated. Personally I'd be fucking delighted is we didn't make the Europa League next season (I've had my fill of watching us at 3am on a Monday morning).
Seriously... what's Dalglish going to do.... the last time he managed, his teams weren't renouned for attacking verve... so he4's not going to transform us in to a Barnes/Beardsley/Alderidgesque footballing wankfest.
What will happen if he's appointed is... we'll still be shite... and Dalglish will steer us to our lowest league position in fuck knows how long before being "kindly" relived of managerial duties at the end of the season.
I don't want that.
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Sorry but that just doesn't add up, for a whole variety of reasons:
1. It's way previous to insist we definitely won't get top four given the topsy-turvy season everyone else is also having - ditto the rest of that stuff about "our lowest league position" etc;
2. Nobody's even begun to explain what difference it supposedly makes that the King hasn't managed a team for a long time - it might even be an advantage that he's been away from that pressure for so long, besides which he'd be coming in only as an interim appointment, which in itself would lift a lot of the pressure off his shoulders;
3. The whole club - damn it, the whole city - would get a major buzz from the appointment; and
4. He himself knows all the dangers but still reckoned he could do it, and there's not a snowflake in Hell's chance he'd have put his name forward if he weren't rock solid certain about that - who's going to take it on themselves to tell him he's wrong?
It's a far riskier choice to leave Roy in place than it ever would be to let Kenny mind the shop till next summer. Now that WILL end in tears.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43294.msg1238355#msg1238355 date=1293551761]
There's never been a managerial appointment/change which didn't carry an element of risk, but I don't see any case at all for arguing that bringing Kenny back as caretaker "may very well" end in tears.
[/quote]
He hasn't managed a team in over a decade and his last 2 managerial appointments ended "in tears" (he ended up going to court with Celtic).
The thing his.. despite Roy being completely unsuitable for the job, I'm not convinced Dalglish would at this stage, do a better job.
We're not going to finish in the top 4.. let's be absolutely clear about that.... but equally we're not going to be relegated. Personally I'd be fucking delighted is we didn't make the Europa League next season (I've had my fill of watching us at 3am on a Monday morning).
Seriously... what's Dalglish going to do.... the last time he managed, his teams weren't renouned for attacking verve... so he4's not going to transform us in to a Barnes/Beardsley/Alderidgesque footballing wankfest.
What will happen if he's appointed is... we'll still be shite... and Dalglish will steer us to our lowest league position in fuck knows how long before being "kindly" relived of managerial duties at the end of the season.
I don't want that.
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Sorry but that just doesn't add up, for a whole variety of reasons:
1. It's way previous to insist we definitely won't get top four given the topsy-turvy season everyone else is also having - ditto the rest of that stuff about "our lowest league position" etc;
2. Nobody's even begun to explain what difference it supposedly makes that the King hasn't managed a team for a long time - it might even be an advantage that he's been away from that pressure for so long, besides which he'd be coming in only as an interim appointment, which in itself would lift a lot of the pressure off his shoulders;
3. The whole club - damn it, the whole city - would get a major buzz from the appointment; and
4. He himself knows all the dangers but still reckoned he could do it, and there's not a snowflake in Hell's chance he'd have put his name forward if he weren't rock solid certain about that - who's going to take it on themselves to tell him he's wrong?
It's a far riskier choice to leave Roy in place than it ever would be to let Kenny mind the shop till next summer. Now that WILL end in tears.
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Squiggles
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[quote author=localny link=topic=43294.msg1238380#msg1238380 date=1293556551]
Ara they haven't. They shouted the rest of us down back in June/july, and they've been full of "I thought he was safe hands" type excuses and explanations since. Only safe hands is the manager that takes us forward...
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I'd love to see you back that up with names and quotes.
Ara they haven't. They shouted the rest of us down back in June/july, and they've been full of "I thought he was safe hands" type excuses and explanations since. Only safe hands is the manager that takes us forward...
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I'd love to see you back that up with names and quotes.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=43294.msg1238466#msg1238466 date=1293571863]
[quote author=localny link=topic=43294.msg1238380#msg1238380 date=1293556551]
Ara they haven't. They shouted the rest of us down back in June/july, and they've been full of "I thought he was safe hands" type excuses and explanations since. Only safe hands is the manager that takes us forward...
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I'd love to see you back that up with names and quotes.
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you don't want to go there squiggs, it will get ugly 😉
[quote author=localny link=topic=43294.msg1238380#msg1238380 date=1293556551]
Ara they haven't. They shouted the rest of us down back in June/july, and they've been full of "I thought he was safe hands" type excuses and explanations since. Only safe hands is the manager that takes us forward...
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I'd love to see you back that up with names and quotes.
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you don't want to go there squiggs, it will get ugly 😉
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43294.msg1238383#msg1238383 date=1293557785]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=43294.msg1238360#msg1238360 date=1293553284]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43294.msg1238355#msg1238355 date=1293551761]
There's never been a managerial appointment/change which didn't carry an element of risk, but I don't see any case at all for arguing that bringing Kenny back as caretaker "may very well" end in tears.
[/quote]
He hasn't managed a team in over a decade and his last 2 managerial appointments ended "in tears" (he ended up going to court with Celtic).
The thing his.. despite Roy being completely unsuitable for the job, I'm not convinced Dalglish would at this stage, do a better job.
We're not going to finish in the top 4.. let's be absolutely clear about that.... but equally we're not going to be relegated. Personally I'd be fucking delighted is we didn't make the Europa League next season (I've had my fill of watching us at 3am on a Monday morning).
Seriously... what's Dalglish going to do.... the last time he managed, his teams weren't renouned for attacking verve... so he4's not going to transform us in to a Barnes/Beardsley/Alderidgesque footballing wankfest.
What will happen if he's appointed is... we'll still be shite... and Dalglish will steer us to our lowest league position in fuck knows how long before being "kindly" relived of managerial duties at the end of the season.
I don't want that.
[/quote]
Sorry but that just doesn't add up, for a whole variety of reasons:
1. It's way previous to insist we definitely won't get top four given the topsy-turvy season everyone else is also having - ditto the rest of that stuff about "our lowest league position" etc;
2. Nobody's even begun to explain what difference it supposedly makes that the King hasn't managed a team for a long time - it might even be an advantage that he's been away from that pressure for so long, besides which he'd be coming in only as an interim appointment, which in itself would lift a lot of the pressure off his shoulders;
3. The whole club - damn it, the whole city - would get a major buzz from the appointment; and
4. He himself knows all the dangers but still reckoned he could do it, and there's not a snowflake in Hell's chance he'd have put his name forward if he weren't rock solid certain about that - who's going to take it on themselves to tell him he's wrong?
It's a far riskier choice to leave Roy in place than it ever would be to let Kenny mind the shop till next summer. Now that WILL end in tears.
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We're not getting top 4 - despite the topsy-turvey nature of the season, the top 5 this season are the same top 5 last season. We're 9 points behind 4th with a game in hand & 3 points off the relegation zone with a game in hand. I'm as disappointed as you at how this season has turned out, but that's the way it is.
Has there ever been an occassion when a manager has come out of retirement after being out of the game for a decade and immediately made an impact? That's what doesn't add up, for all his successes in past he didn't exactly excel at Newcastle & Celtic. There's enough there to put a very large question mark over appointing him.
Roy's reign will rightly end in tears - he must go - but if we're not going to be able to appoint the man we want to take the club forward now then we should probably wait until we can apooint that person.
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=43294.msg1238360#msg1238360 date=1293553284]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43294.msg1238355#msg1238355 date=1293551761]
There's never been a managerial appointment/change which didn't carry an element of risk, but I don't see any case at all for arguing that bringing Kenny back as caretaker "may very well" end in tears.
[/quote]
He hasn't managed a team in over a decade and his last 2 managerial appointments ended "in tears" (he ended up going to court with Celtic).
The thing his.. despite Roy being completely unsuitable for the job, I'm not convinced Dalglish would at this stage, do a better job.
We're not going to finish in the top 4.. let's be absolutely clear about that.... but equally we're not going to be relegated. Personally I'd be fucking delighted is we didn't make the Europa League next season (I've had my fill of watching us at 3am on a Monday morning).
Seriously... what's Dalglish going to do.... the last time he managed, his teams weren't renouned for attacking verve... so he4's not going to transform us in to a Barnes/Beardsley/Alderidgesque footballing wankfest.
What will happen if he's appointed is... we'll still be shite... and Dalglish will steer us to our lowest league position in fuck knows how long before being "kindly" relived of managerial duties at the end of the season.
I don't want that.
[/quote]
Sorry but that just doesn't add up, for a whole variety of reasons:
1. It's way previous to insist we definitely won't get top four given the topsy-turvy season everyone else is also having - ditto the rest of that stuff about "our lowest league position" etc;
2. Nobody's even begun to explain what difference it supposedly makes that the King hasn't managed a team for a long time - it might even be an advantage that he's been away from that pressure for so long, besides which he'd be coming in only as an interim appointment, which in itself would lift a lot of the pressure off his shoulders;
3. The whole club - damn it, the whole city - would get a major buzz from the appointment; and
4. He himself knows all the dangers but still reckoned he could do it, and there's not a snowflake in Hell's chance he'd have put his name forward if he weren't rock solid certain about that - who's going to take it on themselves to tell him he's wrong?
It's a far riskier choice to leave Roy in place than it ever would be to let Kenny mind the shop till next summer. Now that WILL end in tears.
[/quote]
We're not getting top 4 - despite the topsy-turvey nature of the season, the top 5 this season are the same top 5 last season. We're 9 points behind 4th with a game in hand & 3 points off the relegation zone with a game in hand. I'm as disappointed as you at how this season has turned out, but that's the way it is.
Has there ever been an occassion when a manager has come out of retirement after being out of the game for a decade and immediately made an impact? That's what doesn't add up, for all his successes in past he didn't exactly excel at Newcastle & Celtic. There's enough there to put a very large question mark over appointing him.
Roy's reign will rightly end in tears - he must go - but if we're not going to be able to appoint the man we want to take the club forward now then we should probably wait until we can apooint that person.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=43294.msg1238466#msg1238466 date=1293571863]
[quote author=localny link=topic=43294.msg1238380#msg1238380 date=1293556551]
Ara they haven't. They shouted the rest of us down back in June/july, and they've been full of "I thought he was safe hands" type excuses and explanations since. Only safe hands is the manager that takes us forward...
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I'd love to see you back that up with names and quotes.
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No need, just use the search function. I'm just disappointed these owners are moving SO slowly. It's not good for the club to persist with a manager that we all know will be gone soon enough. 4th was still up for grabs a few weeks ago....
Chelsea didn't appoint Hodgson when they ditched Scolari. They brought in Gus/ Why couldn't we bring in someone of stature too? It's not too late for a high profile caretaker.
[quote author=localny link=topic=43294.msg1238380#msg1238380 date=1293556551]
Ara they haven't. They shouted the rest of us down back in June/july, and they've been full of "I thought he was safe hands" type excuses and explanations since. Only safe hands is the manager that takes us forward...
[/quote]
I'd love to see you back that up with names and quotes.
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No need, just use the search function. I'm just disappointed these owners are moving SO slowly. It's not good for the club to persist with a manager that we all know will be gone soon enough. 4th was still up for grabs a few weeks ago....
Chelsea didn't appoint Hodgson when they ditched Scolari. They brought in Gus/ Why couldn't we bring in someone of stature too? It's not too late for a high profile caretaker.
[quote author=localny link=topic=43294.msg1238536#msg1238536 date=1293602101]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=43294.msg1238466#msg1238466 date=1293571863]
[quote author=localny link=topic=43294.msg1238380#msg1238380 date=1293556551]
Ara they haven't. They shouted the rest of us down back in June/july, and they've been full of "I thought he was safe hands" type excuses and explanations since. Only safe hands is the manager that takes us forward...
[/quote]
I'd love to see you back that up with names and quotes.
[/quote]
No need, just use the search function. I'm just disappointed these owners are moving SO slowly. It's not good for the club to persist with a manager that we all know will be gone soon enough. 4th was still up for grabs a few weeks ago....
Chelsea didn't appoint Hodgson when they ditched Scolari. They brought in Gus/ Why couldn't we bring in someone of stature too? It's not too late for a high profile caretaker (cue the janitor jokes)....
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=43294.msg1238466#msg1238466 date=1293571863]
[quote author=localny link=topic=43294.msg1238380#msg1238380 date=1293556551]
Ara they haven't. They shouted the rest of us down back in June/july, and they've been full of "I thought he was safe hands" type excuses and explanations since. Only safe hands is the manager that takes us forward...
[/quote]
I'd love to see you back that up with names and quotes.
[/quote]
No need, just use the search function. I'm just disappointed these owners are moving SO slowly. It's not good for the club to persist with a manager that we all know will be gone soon enough. 4th was still up for grabs a few weeks ago....
Chelsea didn't appoint Hodgson when they ditched Scolari. They brought in Gus/ Why couldn't we bring in someone of stature too? It's not too late for a high profile caretaker (cue the janitor jokes)....
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On a sidenote, he's guided Marseille to their 2nd French League Cup Final in succession after yesterdays' 2-0 semi-final victory vs Auxerre.
If Kenny doesn't get us top 7 i'd love Deschamps..
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