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[quote author=KHL link=topic=45116.msg1323057#msg1323057 date=1303983979]
Mourinho is the worst charachter in modern football. What a pathetic manager.

Delighted Barca won.
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His off field antics are sometimes laughable, you can see why the press love him. But he is not a pathetic manager. His record stands for itself....sore loser maybe, but not a pathetic manager. Ferguson would've done something similar had it been his team getting the bad calls and wenger would've too. Its just another tactic in taking the blame off their players.....just like Jose used to do at chelsea. Its the reason mourinho's players always love him, because he's always willing to stick his neck out to cover them. Wenger loves doing it to take the blame off his players but never seems to learn from it.....mourinho does. Today no one is really talking about how shit madrid were....its all about Mourinhos outburst and barcas play acting.
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He's a great manager. But also a pathetic and negative-minded one in my opinion. Bad winner and a sore loser as you said yourself.

LAst nights game must've been awful for any Real-fans to watch. Not only did Pepe play in a more advanced role than Ronaldo they played like Wimbledon of old. Kicking and screaming and doing their utmost to ruin the game.

and it all comes down to one man. And for one Ronaldo didn't look to happy with it all.

And then afterwards he dares to blame UNICEF, UEFA, the ref and claim that Pep Guardiola has never won a 'clean ChL trophy' and that he should be - and I more or less quote - ashamed with himself for winning trophies like that.

Pathetic manager with a complete lack of respect towards others, no honor and certainly no sportsmanship. He's acting like a spoiled and unpleasant 14-year-old kid.

Hopefully Real will sack him soon enough.

He's like the anti-Kenny really.
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Thats true.....for every good theres a bad. I thought the unicef outburst was uncalled for. But no one should be surprised, its mourinho in a nutshell. I find the whole thing quite funny. I think he should be fined....banned....but also uefa should look into Barcas play acting, it happens too much. But they'll turn a blind eye to it and im sure we'll all see Busquets and co rolling around unpunished in the near future. Manager mind games and outbursts have been around for years and years and it helps build up to big games, but play acting and diving needs to be stamped out of the game, especially when teams like barca who so adamantly preach the good football bullshit, use it so openly in big games.
 
paraphrasing what I just read in Israeli media but Ronaldo isn't happy at all, "I wanted to play, but I was too busy defending. We played for a 0-0"
 
I certainly don't like watching Pedro fall over as easily as he did last night either. Nor having to watch Alves or Busquets antics. That should be punished as well.

But not any more so than Adebayors aggressive appearance, Marcelos deliberate stamp on Pedro, Ramos constant arm-swinging and mouthing off etc.

It was an ugly game by all means and it was mostly down to the hometeams manager. One who's beeing praised so often for his 'genius' but I don't buy into that.

He's first and foremost a cynical manager who's very shrewd at delivering the results but he's not - in my opinion - the greatest manager around and I'm glad his anti-football lost last night.

Thanks to UNICEF. Or something.
 
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[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=45116.msg1322925#msg1322925 date=1303960454]
I think Pepe is a liability but there was no way that was a red; it was barely a yellow. Alves may be a wonderful player but I'm so gland we didn't nab him - it would turn my stomach to watch that kind of diving at Anfield. Pedro was a disgrace, Basquet's was ridiculous, Mascher's goading of Alonso reminded me what a prick he is....... I could go on and on. To be honest about the only one who wasn't diving everywhere in a Barca shirt was Messi - who, I might add, was unsighted until Pepe got marched.
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Pepe's was definitely a yellow - without 'slow mo', it looks like a vicious tackle. Cleats up ... Red was probably harsh, but Pepe is a cunt and going by his history, I could care less if he gets a red every match for just breathing.

Pedro a disgrace? He went down once (like every player goes down in the box) and then gets stamped on after trying to score. He didn't ask for a card, he was just hurt. Why is he a disgrace? Busquets always does this stuff - I think our future Kop hero (Suarez) has already done it once for us, and I somehow doubt anyone will be as harsh when he does it again (and again and again).
Puyol dived? Pique? Xavi?

Messi wasn't unsighted - he'd set up the best chance of the game (Xavi's shot), he just wasn't being as dominant because Jose was playing his 4 back, 3 DMs etc ...

Lastly, fuck Alonso too. Going to the ref to moan about 'diving' - Look at your own team before crying to the ref. Sometimes it goes your way, sometimes it doesn't. I'm glad it didn't go Maureen's way - we don't need that cunt winning any more 'big trophies', his ego is big enough already.
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I don't know how I missed this post but Wiz, you must have been watching a different game to me mate.

Pedro went down multiple times - sometimes he made the contact and sometimes there was just none. Further, this wasn't a one off. I've watched him do it in match after match after match. That's not to say he never gets fouled - he does and he's very good so you expect it. This time, though, he was beyond horrible - I wanted Marcelo to jump on his leg there so he could have something to justify his anquished rolling around in the previous 70 minutes.

Pepe's studs were no more up than Alves' and the contact was minimal as it was. Alves is a prick with his constant diving anyway so Pepe should have known better but he's an idiot and asks for most of what he gets.

I agree on Suarez - he doesn't do it as often as Pepe but he gets on my nerves and I hope someone has a word in his ear in the same way as Jose got in Drogba's ear. As for Xabi, I was more pissed with Mascher trying to get at him when he was pointing out the truth. Javier has no respect and that's largely why he receives no respect.


Messi was unsighted; he's supposed to be the number one player in the world but played one pass (a good pass) in 60 minutes of football. Ronaldo looked more dangerous than Messi until it was 11 v 10. I've nothing really against Messi - he's one of the few there that I've got time for - I was just pointing out that he was barely in the game until Pepe was gone and then got two goals. A player like him is always going to benefit from an increase in space.
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45116.msg1323093#msg1323093 date=1303987719]
I certainly don't like watching Pedro fall over as easily as he did last night either. Nor having to watch Alves or Busquets antics. That should be punished as well.

But not any more so than Adebayors aggressive appearance, Marcelos deliberate stamp on Pedro, Ramos constant arm-swinging and mouthing off etc.

It was an ugly game by all means and it was mostly down to the hometeams manager. One who's beeing praised so often for his 'genius' but I don't buy into that.

He's first and foremost a cynical manager who's very shrewd at delivering the results but he's not - in my opinion - the greatest manager around and I'm glad his anti-football lost last night.

Thanks to UNICEF. Or something.
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I agree KHL.......bar one thing. Ireally think thats the way you have to play against Barca to beat them. Well until somebodys able to out football them. Like us 😉
 
[quote author=Bradley link=topic=45116.msg1323071#msg1323071 date=1303985193]
Maybe that link needed it's own thread, I'll let a mod decide.

It's a weird article though, was Carroll the only one having a beer or is it just better a better story to target a guy who we all know enjoys the occasional beer.
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Yeah, it was a glass of beer, and they all looked like they had one. Typical newspaper bullshit. Didn't look like a bender. It is nice to see our players bonding beyond the international cliques though.
 
@Wizardry

Ronaldo looking more dangerous than Messi last night? What?

You sure you didn't watch some recorded game of old?

That's utter bollocks really. Not blaming Ronaldo, he was after all beeing utilized mostly as a wing-back or something.

Oh and Pepe's red card was a red card.

Marcelo's lunge was a red card.

Adebayor should've been red carded too.

Yup, you definitely must've been watching another game.
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=45116.msg1322964#msg1322964 date=1303971942]
Re Pedro - I'm mostly thinking of the time Arbeloa checked his run and he hit the deck like he was in platoon.

Pathetic.
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Aye, Pedro dived all over the place and the way he ran into Arby and then went down clutching his face like he'd been poleaxed was one of the most sickening things I saw all night, and there was plenty to choose from. He's a cheating wee cunt.

The most shocking appraisal one can give is that Ronaldo (cheating, slimy, self-aggrandizing prick Ronaldo), stood out as a relatively fair player on the pitch last night in comparison with others.
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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing and was going to mention it but then I remembered all his performances for the mancs and couldn't bring myself to suggest he looked fair in comparison to those around him.
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=45116.msg1323103#msg1323103 date=1303988199]
[quote author=Bradley link=topic=45116.msg1323071#msg1323071 date=1303985193]
Maybe that link needed it's own thread, I'll let a mod decide.

It's a weird article though, was Carroll the only one having a beer or is it just better a better story to target a guy who we all know enjoys the occasional beer.
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Yeah, it was a glass of beer, and they all looked like they had one. Typical newspaper bullshit. Didn't look like a bender. It is nice to see our players bonding beyond the international cliques though.
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The media cunts are just hoping Carroll does a Gazza, and they're almost willing him to do it.
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=45116.msg1323105#msg1323105 date=1303988258]
@Wizardry

Ronaldo looking more dangerous than Messi last night? What?

You sure you didn't watch some recorded game of old?

That's utter bollocks really. Not blaming Ronaldo, he was after all beeing utilized mostly as a wing-back or something.

Oh and Pepe's red card was a red card.

Marcelo's lunge was a red card.

Adebayor should've been red carded too.

Yup, you definitely must've been watching another game.
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If Pepe was a red card then Suarez, Raul and Skrtel should all have been marched during the Brum game on its own. Most coaches I played for always said if the ball is there to be won don't wait to see what the other team will do with it. That ball was there to be won and they both had their feet up to win it. Alves was planning his performance before Pepe got there - and didn't disappoint when he got contact.

Marcelo's lunge??? You mean where he jumped over Pepe then decided one of his feet should land on him? So, not a lunge. That was a yellow IMO - certainly nothing in comparison to Stevie's effort against Everton which should have been a red.

Adebayor - now you're just being funny. Most of the Barca players took turns running into him, screaming like girls and clutching their faces. He did run into someone himself but, given what had gone on before, if he'd taken some lessons from Pedro and folded like a used condom he'd probably have got the free.


As for Ronaldo - I clearly said up until 60 minutes. That's not to say Ronaldo did much but Messi was unheard of until that point. Xavi, Alves, Villa etc were all far more heavily involved than their much feted team mate ......... to that point.


You did remind me of one point in the match where Ronaldo was chasing three Barca players on his own up front before turning to his team mates and screaming at them to get forward and help him. What followed was Madrid's best 20 minutes IMO and a means to beat Barca. Their possession football fell away, they were hitting it back to Valdez to clear into the crowd and had no presence down field whatsoever.

I'm not sure if Madrid just didn't have the stamina to keep that going but, while it would take some guts to play it that way, I'm sure that's the method to beat Barca. Press them hard everywhere and see if they've got the staying power cause when you let them have the ball in their half they look like they can find space anywhere.
 
[quote author=ILD link=topic=45116.msg1323067#msg1323067 date=1303984889]
Ha, Cahill is friends with Pepe from Arteta's wedding I presume.

I love this fucking picture.

2010-07-17boda04.jpg


On a side note look at Raul in one of the picture in the original link, "Not a single fuck was given that day" springs to mind.
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I've never seen this before.

Arteta looks like a catalogue model.

Anyone have the original link, please ?
 
Yes the game was cagey and full of imaginary card showing, fouling, diving, holding their face crying bitching players, managers, support staff etc.

Having said that, there were a large number of players on that pitch last night who were able to produce some utter magic out of nothing, be it an amazing save, a sublime pass, a sequence of passes, a last ditch sliding tackle or a wonder strike from 30 yards bending it around a six man wall or run through half a team of players and slot the ball into the corner of the net. So that's the reason I left the telly on (with the volume down) and watched the game cos you knew that someone was going to produce that bit of skill and allow their ability to shine through above the handbags and utter gayness that would come with a game of this magnitude and importance.

It was actually beautiful watching that in the dead silence of my living room.
 
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[quote author=ILD link=topic=45116.msg1323067#msg1323067 date=1303984889]
Ha, Cahill is friends with Pepe from Arteta's wedding I presume.

I love this fucking picture.

2010-07-17boda04.jpg


On a side note look at Raul in one of the picture in the original link, "Not a single fuck was given that day" springs to mind.
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I've never seen this before.

Arteta looks like a catalogue model.

Anyone have the original link, please ?
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.. more like a vax-figure almost.

Scary.
 
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[quote author=themn link=topic=45116.msg1323155#msg1323155 date=1303991508]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=45116.msg1323067#msg1323067 date=1303984889]
Ha, Cahill is friends with Pepe from Arteta's wedding I presume.

I love this fucking picture.

2010-07-17boda04.jpg


On a side note look at Raul in one of the picture in the original link, "Not a single fuck was given that day" springs to mind.
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I've never seen this before.

Arteta looks like a catalogue model.

Anyone have the original link, please ?
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.. more like a vax-figure almost.

Scary.
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*searches Longboat for original link*



*doesn't find it*



*moves on*
 
Its from football365 so dont jump down my throat but I liked it!!



Do more people see through Barca now? John Nicholson F365

I have written often, perhaps too often, about my dislike of Barcelona and especially all her slavering non-Catalan acolytes. I hope, after Wednesday night's semi-final more people can understand why.

I know many of you think this is a football blasphemy and just outright ignorance - you don't need tell me again, I know, I really do, but this alternative view of how great Barce are needs saying.

Quite simply, for most of any game they play where they are well-matched, they are boring to watch. It's true. Yes they can cream up a poor side and score loads of goals but there's no joy in that. Watching a vastly superior side killing a bad one is poor sport and does not prove greatness.

Were it not for the flashes of utter brilliance from Leo Messi too many of their games melt your eyes in tedium. Yes, they can play sublime football - but more usually they don't. More often they fanny around a lot and wait for Messi to do something. He is astonishing, of course, but for f*cks sake...sitting there watching them pass it five times to go sideways by 10 foot is tedium which has somehow become transformed into the virtue of patience.

This doesn't mean I want them to play like Wimbledon on 1988, though it would be more fun if they did, but for Christ's sake, this is nothing to worship so slavishly.

Do their non-Catalan-based admirers not realise that they are chock full of players who are high on the must-punch-in-the-throat league, primarily Dani Alves and Sergio Busquets who are unparalleled in their cheating, whining, diving and feigning.

What they have done so successfully is exploit the outlawing of physicality in football. Ten years ago or more, a defender would give Dani f*cking Alves et al something to hold his f*cking leg about and by God he'd have bloody well deserved it.

Well fair enough, you do what you've got to do to win, I understand it from their point of view, but let's get off our knees and pretend it is somehow a higher art form than the game played by the other mere mortals on planet football.

In tight games they rely on cheating to help them win. Their games are disrupted by endless disputes, fouls, outrageous play-acting and generally unmanly behaviour. To pretend otherwise is delusion. Is this why you love them?

But as annoying as it is, I don't really mind that, I just mind the fact that this is overlooked in all the spittle flecked ranting over their supposed brilliance. And I loath the way that this type of football has been elevated to the status of being the greatest we've ever seen. It simply isn't. It does not regularly entertain except in flashes of stunning brilliance, usually from Messi.

As a neutral who wants to enjoy a game of football, almost every other side in the latter stages of the Champions League has been more entertaining more often and compared to the truly fantastic teams of the past, who played incisive, high-art football, they don't come near enough to deserve the acclaim they regularly get.

The Ajax side of the early 70s, The Inter team of the late 80s, the Manchester United side of the late 90s all properly stirred the blood; all of them were a wonderful mixture of high skill, tactical flexibility and tremendous physicality distributed throughout the side. None of them quite consciously, as a deliberate and pre-planned tactic, cheated on a regular basis - especially in big games - in order to win. Barcelona do. This disqualifies them from any tag of greatness and I won't be told otherwise. No matter how brilliant any of them are individually.

If that's the football you like, fair enough. But I can do without it and, though this is rarely reflected in the media, keen to make them all out to be Superheroes, I'm not alone.
 
Anyone else wondering why that article doesn't include the Liverpool of the 70s or 80s? Shit article just because of that.
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=45116.msg1322964#msg1322964 date=1303971942]
Re Pedro - I'm mostly thinking of the time Arbeloa checked his run and he hit the deck like he was in platoon.

Pathetic.
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Aye, Pedro dived all over the place and the way he ran into Arby and then went down clutching his face like he'd been poleaxed was one of the most sickening things I saw all night, and there was plenty to choose from. He's a cheating wee cunt.

The most shocking appraisal one can give is that Ronaldo (cheating, slimy, self-aggrandizing prick Ronaldo), stood out as a relatively fair player on the pitch last night in comparison with others.
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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing and was going to mention it but then I remembered all his performances for the mancs and couldn't bring myself to suggest he looked fair in comparison to those around him.
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I was thinking this too. Ronaldo looked dignified by comparison.

Players should be smarter than this. Yes, you want to do anything to win, but every star player is a brand by himself. And the team is a brand too. After this game watched by tens of millions in the entire world, the brand of players like Di Maria, Marcelo, Dani Alves, Mascherano, Xabi, Pedro, Busquets and the brands of both teams have been damaged. Maybe not for the core fans, but definitely in the eyes of neutrals, which is the biggest category. If I was those players' manager or agent, I would tell them it's not worth it. You have to behave with dignity, no matter how much you want to win here and now and no matter what your manager tells you.
 
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Re Pedro - I'm mostly thinking of the time Arbeloa checked his run and he hit the deck like he was in platoon.

Pathetic.
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Aye, Pedro dived all over the place and the way he ran into Arby and then went down clutching his face like he'd been poleaxed was one of the most sickening things I saw all night, and there was plenty to choose from. He's a cheating wee cunt.

The most shocking appraisal one can give is that Ronaldo (cheating, slimy, self-aggrandizing prick Ronaldo), stood out as a relatively fair player on the pitch last night in comparison with others.
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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing and was going to mention it but then I remembered all his performances for the mancs and couldn't bring myself to suggest he looked fair in comparison to those around him.
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I was thinking this too. Ronaldo looked dignified by comparison.

Players should be smarter than this. Yes, you want to do anything to win, but every star player is a brand by himself. And the team is a brand too. After this game watched by tens of millions in the entire world, the brand of players like Di Maria, Marcelo, Dani Alves, Mascherano, Xabi, Pedro, Busquets and the brands of both teams have been damaged. Maybe not for the core fans, but definitely in the eyes of neutrals, which is the biggest category. If I was those players' manager or agent, I would tell them it's not worth it. You have to behave with dignity, no matter how much you want to win here and now and no matter what your manager tells you.
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+1 on the Ronaldo front.

It made me think that the English league isn't so bad on the diving/simulation front, when you consider that one of the worst acknowledged divers in EPL history looked relatively fair in comparison to most of the other players on Wednesday night, who have played most of their careers in Spain.
 
Manchester United and England defender Rio Ferdinand tweeted: "This diving is a joke/embarrassing. When Pedro watches that do you think he'll think, 'What was I doing!?' Rugby players must laugh at football."

Also, aimed at Alves, Ferdinand tweeted: "If you ever see me go off on a stretcher then run back on to play, I give everyone on here the green light to him me with a two-footed tackle."

Ferdinand's team-mate Michael Owen also criticised former Sevilla defender Alves via the social media site: "Alves' actions won't please many as if he had got straight up it would have been a yellow card, but Barça fans will be happy with his actions."
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Manchester United and England defender Rio Ferdinand tweeted: "This diving is a joke/embarrassing. When Pedro watches that do you think he'll think, 'What was I doing!?' Rugby players must laugh at football."

Also, aimed at Alves, Ferdinand tweeted: "If you ever see me go off on a stretcher then run back on to play, I give everyone on here the green light to him me with a two-footed tackle."

Ferdinand's team-mate Michael Owen also criticised former Sevilla defender Alves via the social media site: "Alves' actions won't please many as if he had got straight up it would have been a yellow card, but Barça fans will be happy with his actions."
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[/quote]shower of feckin hypocrits
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=45116.msg1322964#msg1322964 date=1303971942]
Re Pedro - I'm mostly thinking of the time Arbeloa checked his run and he hit the deck like he was in platoon.

Pathetic.
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Aye, Pedro dived all over the place and the way he ran into Arby and then went down clutching his face like he'd been poleaxed was one of the most sickening things I saw all night, and there was plenty to choose from. He's a cheating wee cunt.

The most shocking appraisal one can give is that Ronaldo (cheating, slimy, self-aggrandizing prick Ronaldo), stood out as a relatively fair player on the pitch last night in comparison with others.
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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing and was going to mention it but then I remembered all his performances for the mancs and couldn't bring myself to suggest he looked fair in comparison to those around him.
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Yes, you want to do anything to win, but every star player is a brand by himself. And the team is a brand too. After this game watched by tens of millions in the entire world, the brand of players like Di Maria, Marcelo, Dani Alves, Mascherano, Xabi, Pedro, Busquets and the brands of both teams have been damaged. Maybe not for the core fans, but definitely in the eyes of neutrals, which is the biggest category. If I was those players' manager or agent, I would tell them it's not worth it. You have to behave with dignity, no matter how much you want to win here and now and no matter what your manager tells you.
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Great post Rurik.
 
So here we go again then.......guess alot of people won't be arsed watching this after the last wankfest .

And it's getting more bizarre now , Real going propaganda mad in their aims to prove Barca get favourtism and are cheats .
And don't get me wrong , highlighting a potential racist incident is important but the way they are doing it is very odd . And didn't Graham Hunter say there were terrible monkey chants aimed at Alves after the sending off of Pepe , they seem to have forgotten that .

The bitter off-field feud that has accompanied the Champions League semi-final between Barcelona and Real Madrid turned into a racism storm when José Mourinho's assistant coach, Aitor Karanka, hit out at Uefa for overlooking the abuse allegedly directed at the Real Madrid full-back Marcelo by Sergio Busquets. Karanka claimed that tomorrow's semi-final second leg was of only "secondary importance" in the face of Uefa's failure to act to defend fair play and the abandonment of ethics in the sport.

"There will be a player on the pitch who racially abused another player," the Madrid assistant coach said, "while others who have done nothing wrong won't be there."

Karanka's comments come in the light of a video released by Real Madrid on Monday that they claim shows Busquets calling the Madrid full-back Marcelo a "monkey". They also came hours after Uefa announced that it had rejected the complaint made by Real Madrid against eight Barcelona players for "persistent and premeditated unsporting behaviour". Uefa likewise resolved not to act on the complaints made by Barcelona against Mourinho, saying that European football's governing body would be the "sole judge".

The Barcelona coach, Pep Guardiola, insisted Busquets had merely made a "mistake" and that it would be up to Uefa to decide if he should be punished. "I know these players. They are an example of professionalism," said the Barcelona coach. "They love this sport. Some of them, during the game, can make a mistake but as players they are exemplary both for Spain and for Barcelona." Asked if he would punish Busquets he said: "We are not proud when they make mistakes but I know these players. If we do something wrong, then Uefa have to decide. It won't happen again."

Uefa's statement made no specific mention of the alleged racist abuse but Madrid's assistant coach brought the issue to the fore after Real's release of the footage. In a piece about tomorrow's referee, Frank de Bleeckere, on Madrid's website and the Spanish version of their TV channel, the voiceover expressed a desire that the official would not fall into Barcelona's trap and that there would be no "disrespect" from the players. The comment came over a shot of Busquets cupping his hand to hide his words and saying something to Marcelo. Real's subtitles showed "mono, mono" – "monkey, monkey".

Uefa did not respond to calls tonight but Karanka made his views clear in the pre-match press conference. "After today's resolution the game itself drops to a secondary issue," he said. "[Uefa is] an organisation which talks about principles like respect and fair play and yet nothing has happened.

"We have seen the images which have been round the world, including a player making racist insults and covering his mouth to try to make it so that you can't see it. But he will be on the pitch, along with others. Other players who have done nothing wrong won't be. That is the most important thing today. The football is not."

Karanka also defended Mourinho's outburst following the first leg, in which he accused Uefa of favouring Barcelona and a series of referees of giving them beneficial decisions. Karanka added that he did not understand why no action was taken against Barcelona players for something that does appear in the rules when there were fines handed out to Real Madrid players for deliberately seeking out cards against Ajax earlier in the competition – which does not appear in the rules.

"A few months ago we were sanctioned for something that is not in the Uefa rule book. Now they are not sanctioning things that are in the rule book," Karanka said. "It's not a case of feeling unprotected but once again there seems to be different measures [for different teams]. Our position is the one that we made clear in our complaint to Uefa. What Mourinho said [after the first leg] was what anyone who had been in the stadium or watching the game on television would have said. This isn't an accusation against Uefa. I'm saying what's in the regulations and what isn't. These are provable and objective things."

The Barcelona midfielder Xavi Hernández had earlier rejected suggestions that Uefa should act against them, describing the complaints as "pathetic and lamentable". He added: "Barcelona have always respected opponents and shown exemplary behaviour. It is logical that Uefa should turn down the complaints. I think it's lamentable and pathetic, everything that is going on – all the complaints and denouncements. It is sad. I would rather just talk about the football."
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It's just a pity we need one of these bunch of bellends to beat united as i'd love for them to bitch slap each other to oblivion .
 
It wouldn't surprise me if it was true.
I do sense some deflection here, by Madrid.

I'm sick and tired of UEFA's "do fuck all" policy, with regard to punishing teams/countries where this shite persists.
 
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Re Pedro - I'm mostly thinking of the time Arbeloa checked his run and he hit the deck like he was in platoon.

Pathetic.
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Aye, Pedro dived all over the place and the way he ran into Arby and then went down clutching his face like he'd been poleaxed was one of the most sickening things I saw all night, and there was plenty to choose from. He's a cheating wee cunt.

The most shocking appraisal one can give is that Ronaldo (cheating, slimy, self-aggrandizing prick Ronaldo), stood out as a relatively fair player on the pitch last night in comparison with others.
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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing and was going to mention it but then I remembered all his performances for the mancs and couldn't bring myself to suggest he looked fair in comparison to those around him.
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Yes, you want to do anything to win, but every star player is a brand by himself. And the team is a brand too. After this game watched by tens of millions in the entire world, the brand of players like Di Maria, Marcelo, Dani Alves, Mascherano, Xabi, Pedro, Busquets and the brands of both teams have been damaged. Maybe not for the core fans, but definitely in the eyes of neutrals, which is the biggest category. If I was those players' manager or agent, I would tell them it's not worth it. You have to behave with dignity, no matter how much you want to win here and now and no matter what your manager tells you.
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Great post Rurik.
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Yep, think I've mentioned this before somewhere - but Rurik's a really good poster who should post a lot more often.
 
I was thinking that Drowning Pool's song "Let the bodies hit the floor" was very apt in reference to Barca and Madrid's penchant for cheating and diving.

So.......... I made this last night. My first you tube vid. Haha.

Needs volume obviously.

[flash=400,400]http://www.youtube.com/v/KiaB9rgfQfw[/flash]
 
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