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I'd play a diamond midfield with can I'm the holding role and sterling at the tip of the diamond and Gerrard playing 2nd striker.

Mignolet, Moreno, lovren, skrtel, manquillo, can, hendo, lallana, sterling, Gerrard, borini.

Yeah I said borini if we're gonna have a striker who never looks like scoring I'd rather a hard working one that actually looks like he gives a Shit.
 
We should break the game down into 10 minute chunks, and just aim to keep it 0-0 each time. I would make each of the 9 outfield players apart from Gerrard personally responsible for a 10 minute chunk. If we concede on their watch, then there will be consequences. That would be a good way to make them step up and start talking and bossing players around.

By Jove, I think you may be on to something there Dantes. What kind of "consequences" did you have in mind?
 
http://www.theguardian.com/football...rbeloa-liverpool-real-madrid-champions-league

Álvaro Arbeloa: Anfield is unique. I’ve told my team-mates to enjoy it
Alvaro Arbeloa is relishing his Champions League return to Liverpool after leaving the club for Real Madrid

Sid Lowe
The Guardian, Monday 20 October 2014 16.11 BST

Álvaro Arbeloa was part of the Real Madrid squad who ended a 12-year wait for Champions League glory Álvaro Arbeloa was part of the Real Madrid squad who ended a 12-year wait for Champions League glory last season. Photograph: Franck Fife/AFP/Getty Images

Álvaro Arbeloa knew. “When they opened up that little ball and the piece of paper inside said “Liverpool”, I said: ‘Group B’. I knew we’d be drawn against them.” The Real Madrid defender smiles. “Well, I don’t know if I knew it or if I just really wanted it.” Either way, there it was: Real Madrid v Liverpool. The last time the two teams met was in March 2009 and Arbeloa was on the other side. Liverpool won 4-0. Now he is going back to Anfield, this time dressed in white.

He got lucky; Xabi Alonso did not. Moments after the draw, the phone rang. “It was Xabi and he was fuming. “Bloody hell, typical. How unlucky am I?’” The only consolation Arbeloa could offer was to tell Alonso he might get there with Bayern Munich. Alonso knows what he’s missing; others don’t yet. So Arbeloa has told them.

“I’ve told everyone this is an opportunity they shouldn’t miss,” he says. “They’re used to a stadium that holds 80,000, sure, but Anfield is la bomba, unique. It’s only 45,000 and they say: ‘Well … ’ and I say: ‘Well?’ Those 45,000 make the atmosphere very, very special. I’ve told them to enjoy it. I can imagine what Anfield will be like, how they’ll sing You’ll Never Walk Alone and cheer every corner or throw-in close to our area as if it’ll end in a goal – and I know it’ll feel like that to us.”

Arbeloa has not been back since he left in the summer of 2009, four months after that 4-0, and since then he has become a world and European champion with Spain, and won the Champions League with Madrid, helping them end a 12-year wait. He and they arrive as defending champions, the wait worth it. “I read an interview with Magic Johnson saying he and LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, and Michael Jordan had to go through shitty times before becoming champions; they had missed opportunities, too,” Arbeloa says. “I could relate to that.”

It is a Thursday afternoon at Madrid’s Valdebebas training base and the Spaniard is looking over his career, exactly 10 years since he made his debut for the club, a youth-teamer alongside the galácticos. “My first touch was a backheel flick to Zidane, right in front of the dugout. Straight away it was: ‘play it simple! Simple!’.” If that makes him laugh, so does his first Liverpool start after his move to England from Spain: a Champions League debut at the Camp Nou marking the man who, along with Arbeloa, made his competitive debut on 16 October 2004: Lionel Messi.

“I remember it like it was yesterday,” he says. “I was training at Melwood and Rafa [Benítez] came over. ‘Left back’. Left? Marking Messi. I stood looking at him, waiting for him to start laughing. This has to be a joke but I saw he was deadly serious. I thought: ‘madre mía.’ The idea was that I’d be strong on my right when Messi came inside, so we went to Portugal [for a training camp] and I was left-back every day, preparing.

Arbeloa grins. “That was the famous golfing week … Rafa had given us a curfew: 1am or 2am. There was a lively dinner then me and [Javier] Mascherano sang some Spanish song on the karaoke. I can’t remember what, something so bad I wiped it from my memory. Anyway, the time came and us new players left. The others stayed and the golf club thing happened. I escaped. I heard about it the next day and couldn’t believe it but of course [Craig] Bellamy played well, scored, and celebrated with the golf stroke. [John Arne] Riise played well, too.”

As for Arbeloa, he stopped Messi. It was some start, particularly for a player who had never expected to join Liverpool at all. “One day my agent called me. ‘We’re going to Liverpool’,” he recalls. “I pretty much had to sit down. ‘What?’”

“I had a five year contract at Deportivo. For the first three years Madrid got half of any transfer fee and I thought: ‘There isn’t a hope in hell of me leaving here in the first three years.’ But they had financial problems and [selling me] meant paying others. It happened so quickly that I was in shock – there was no time to prepare and I was lost.”

“I remember in my first few days looking out of the window, the snow was coming down and I thought: ‘What have I got myself into?’,” Arbeloa says, signalling halfway up his shins. “It was up to here. Madre mía. I was only 23 and I’d never been away from home. Now I had a new country, a new language, a new league, a new team.”

A new manager too. “I’d mostly played at centre-back but Rafa saw me as a full-back and training was different. Rafa corrects you the whole time – and I mean the whole time. Even if it’s just a kickabout he’ll stop the game to correct you. He never stops correcting you, ever. It was a constant stream of instructions and I didn’t have time to think. One-on-one he would explain in Spanish but he always spoke to us in English in the group. If he heard us speaking in Spanish he’d give us a bollocking you wouldn’t believe. ‘English!’.”

“I was lucky, Mascherano came at the same time. They set us up with homes in Park Avenue and we were neighbours, together every day,” Arbeloa says. “But we were welcomed so well: better than it might be the other way round. If you brought an English manager to Spain and he brought in five English players, I’m not sure it would be the same. The pressure that surrounds clubs here is different.

“At Liverpool it helped that they already loved Rafa so much and Luis García, Pepe [Reina] and Xabi, who was practically an honorary Englishman. And Fernando [Torres] later came, too. It’s not like he was signing nobodies. Rafa opened the door; the fact he was doing well made Spaniards open our eyes to England.”

Arbeloa rates Benítez as one of the best coaches he has had, unique when it comes to analysis: more meticulous, more studious, than others. Arbeloa listened and followed, he did what he was asked not what he wanted, which is one of the reasons Benítez valued him and one of the reasons other coaches have. Yet there is a contradiction that Arbeloa wrestles with. He admits he is not yet sure what the answer is.

“A coach says something and you might think ‘that’s not the way I’d do it’ but you need to do it. You can’t just do what you want … well, unless you’re as good as Cristiano Ronaldo,” he laughs. “I’ve had very different coaches asking very different things and it is hard to say what the key is because they’ve all been successful. I don’t know what to think. I think the conclusion is that football’s about the players. Of course [José] Mourinho is fantastic, [Pep] Guardiola is fantastic but what would happen in a team that wasn’t as outstanding as the ones they had?”

“I suppose the key is for everyone to believe in what they’re doing and what the manager’s doing: that they’re united, professional, intense,” he continues, thumping his fist into his palm. “One player lets you down, fine, but two or three do and it comes crashing down, a house of cards. Football’s simple … but not that simple.”

Rafa’s way worked. Liverpool reached a second Champions League final in three years, losing 2-1 to Milan. Arbeloa played for two minutes: he came on in the 88th minute and Dirk Kuyt scored in the 89th but the hope was fleeting. “There were 10 minutes left when Rafa called me but the ball wouldn’t go out and when it finally did the fourth official had disappeared to look at I don’t know what. I had to wait another two. I was going to play 10 minutes but played two. Kuyt scored. ‘Come on!’. But there was no time. We didn’t win, even though we had a much better team than in Istanbul.”

That was not their only near miss. “People forget that we almost won the league [in 2008-09]. We didn’t win it because of sodding [Federico] Macheda. There were weeks where we kicked off before United and we’d board our flight home with them losing, only to get off the plane and find they’d come back. Again. At times we could touch the trophy but they always came back.”

That was the end. That summer, Benítez signed Glen Johnson. “You think: ‘We’ve nearly won the league and the first thing you do is buy a £20m right-back?’,” Arbeloa recalls. “I said: ‘Listen, thanks for everything.’ He couldn’t say I had to stay. He had a right-back and I had a call from Madrid. It was an incredible opportunity: Cristiano Ronaldo was going there, [Karim] Benzema, Kaká.”

Arbeloa departed having lost a European Cup final; in his first season at Madrid they were eliminated by Lyon and then lost three successive semi-finals. In May, at last, the décima arrived, their 10th European Cup – better even than the World Cup, Arbeloa says. In the meantime, Liverpool missed out on an opportunity of their own: in two decades, the league had never been closer, not even in 2009 when Macheda got in the way. Reward came with a return to the Champions League.

“I don’t think anyone expected it,” Arbeloa admits. “Liverpool played with a very attacking style and surprised us all. Luis Suárez had an incredible season scoring 31 goals and how many assists? They still have [Daniel] Sturridge and [Raheem] Sterling but Luis Suárez is Luis Suárez and you can still see the gap. [Brendan] Rodgers will have to find a way. I think he will.”

Arbeloa has watched them on TV; on Wednesday he will see Liverpool in the flesh. There are few of his team-mates left – “only Lucas, who I have the most contact with, Steven [Gerrard] and Martin Skrtel” – but when he walks in the surroundings will be familiar. Very different to the Bernabéu with its NBA-style lockers, giant player portraits and huge, state-of-the-art facilities. “You get changed at Anfield and you have one little hook for your shirt, your trousers, your jacket, everything” Arbeloa says, laughing. “There’s no space, especially in winter when you’re wearing a big coat. It’s very, very small. You’re squashed in but that’s the tradition and the values the club transmits. There’s no luxury and maybe that helps maintain the connection between players and supporters. It has its charm.

“Then you leave the dressing room and see ‘This is Anfield’. That sign’s the incarnation of a spirit, a way of preparing yourself as you head on to the pitch. I would reach up and touch it before every game – and I’ll do the same on Wednesday night.”
 
It's massively important that we retain possession, so I'd fuck Mario off.

Just put our three terriers on their backline and give them something to worry about, Gerrard pulling the strings in behind, it's not worth worrying about what striker to play, when none of them can hit a cows arse, I'd rather see those three interchange and put Madrid's backline under constant pressure from the runs in behind and movement.

--------------------Ming--------------------
Johnson---Skrtel---Lovren----Moreno
-----------Hendo----------Can------------
------------------Gerrard-------------------
--Lallana------Sterling-----Coutinho---
 
That is a really good idea and team. I would play Gerrard deeper in his usual defensive role, as I'm not deluded into thinking we'll be pulling any strings against Madrid.
 
That is a phenomenal interview with Arbeloa. Always loved him, thought he was criminally underrated.

Yeah, I loved Superfly. Solid player, like Finnan whom he replaced. It's interesting what he said about how he came to leave the club. The popular notion at that time was that Arbeloa wanted to return to Spain, and so he left when Real Madrid came calling. What he's said here seems to suggest that he felt disrespected and pushed out by Benitez acquiring Johnson for serious money. That Real Madrid conveniently sounded him out at that time then helped in the decision making I suppose.
 
It's massively important that we retain possession, so I'd fuck Mario off.

Just put our three terriers on their backline and give them something to worry about, Gerrard pulling the strings in behind, it's not worth worrying about what striker to play, when none of them can hit a cows arse, I'd rather see those three interchange and put Madrid's backline under constant pressure from the runs in behind and movement.

--------------------Ming--------------------
Johnson---Skrtel---Lovren----Moreno
-----------Hendo----------Can------------
------------------Gerrard-------------------
--Lallana------Sterling-----Coutinho---

Quite an interesting idea this, might actually work, though I'd prefer Manquillo and Allen in there in place of Johnson and Can (I like him but he seems a fair bit off match sharpness). A serious "fuck off" message from Rodgers to his strikers if he does play this; don't think it'll happen but it's interesting nonetheless.
 
Yeah, I suggested last season that whenever Sterling was playing at the tip of the diamond, it looked like he was performing more of a Messi-like "false 9" role (with Sturridge and Suarez playing more like wing-forwards) rather than a real #10. Maybe it's time to try this for real.
 
"Very different to the Bernabéu with its NBA-style lockers, giant player portraits and huge, state-of-the-art facilities. “You get changed at Anfield and you have one little hook for your shirt, your trousers, your jacket, everything” Arbeloa says, laughing. “There’s no space, especially in winter when you’re wearing a big coat. It’s very, very small. You’re squashed in but that’s the tradition and the values the club transmits. There’s no luxury and maybe that helps maintain the connection between players and supporters. It has its charm."
 
Aye stick Mario on the bench to fuck. Reluctant to roll out the old 'can't afford any passengers' cliché, but it's so true for this.

We still have some very good footballers who are more than capable of causing them problems
 
It's massively important that we retain possession, so I'd fuck Mario off.

Just put our three terriers on their backline and give them something to worry about, Gerrard pulling the strings in behind, it's not worth worrying about what striker to play, when none of them can hit a cows arse, I'd rather see those three interchange and put Madrid's backline under constant pressure from the runs in behind and movement.

--------------------Ming--------------------
Johnson---Skrtel---Lovren----Moreno
-----------Hendo----------Can------------
------------------Gerrard-------------------
--Lallana------Sterling-----Coutinho---

Carra singing from the same hymn sheet, though with Allen in for Can (understandably). As mentioned earlier, I'd have Manquillo in for Johnson as well. "No passengers" is Carra's message here.

 
Pretty much woeful this season but we are still in there fighting for the CL places for next season it's also fair to note that nearly every team we have played has been bang in form, I see Southampton, West ham and West brom up there....

Surprised to read it but at the same time I like the criticism heading Ballotellis way from the manager, I have a sneaky feeling it will work in the end...if you want a player to stop being a kid stop treating him with kid gloves...

OK he missed a sitter on Sunday but he would have got 2 goals if it weren't for defenders doing the job for him and even in his current malaise he has got obvious talent... a bit of luck his way might be all he needs to get up and running... dare i say it but he is due a goal....regardless he will benefit from finally having Sturridge up with him soon just like Suarez did.

I'm not worried in the slightest about our long term prospects, I reckon we've been wracked with injuries and simply have not had the personnel to repeat last years awesome attack displays.. but you can see they are just waiting to happen we haven't let our heads drop one bit, the QPR game showed that

I wish tonight's game was in 6 weeks time as it will most likely be a cricket score against us but fuck it...

Have they ever beaten us these mob?? i don't reckon they have have they?
 
Have they ever beaten us these mob?? i don't reckon they have have they?

Only in friendlies. Played them twice and lost 2-0 in each of those games in Spain (1989, 2002).

Never in competitive games though. Surprisingly, with both clubs' history, we've only played against each other 3 times. We've won all 3, scored 6, conceded none, won a small cup.

10 March 2009 4 - 0 Anfield CL 1st knockout r. 2nd leg
25 February 2009 1 - 0 Bernabeu Stadium CL 1st knockout r. 1st leg
27 May 1981 1 - 0 Parc des Princes European Cup Final

Source: http://www.lfchistory.net/Opposition/Team/Profile/122
 
Carra singing from the same hymn sheet, though with Allen in for Can (understandably). As mentioned earlier, I'd have Manquillo in for Johnson as well. "No passengers" is Carra's message here.




Allen's a good shout, because I think he will retain possession better, but I went with Can because he's the only real natural defender of the lot of them in midfield, I wouldn't be fussed with either, but one of them has to play.
 
Yup, I'd go with Manquillo and Allen in place of Johnson and Allen too. Like the team otherwise.

Press the fuck out of them, and hope that we put in the defensive performance of the season.

Maybe we'll manage to win 3-2 or something. Can't see them not scoring.
 
Shame about the title, as only about 2 or 3 lines actually talks about Ronaldo; more than half of the article is about Ancelotti's praise for our fans.

http://www.espnfc.com/uefa-champion...istiano-ronaldo-at-anfield-by-carlo-ancelotti

Liverpool fans warned not to boo Real Madrid star Cristiano Ronaldo

Real Madrid coach Carlo Ancelotti has warned Liverpool fans that it will not help their team's cause to boo Cristiano Ronaldo when the European champions visit Anfield for their Champions League clash on Wednesday.

Ronaldo, 29, spent six years at Liverpool's arch-rivals Manchester United earlier in his career, meaning the current holder of the Ballon d'Or is set for a barracking from the home fans when he faces them in their Group B encounter.

However, Ancelotti does not believe that his star forward's return to the home of his old foe -- a ground where he has never scored in five previous appearances -- will affect him.

When asked about it, Ancelotti told The Lying Rag: "No, ha, ha, he won't be more motivated because it's Liverpool.

"Cristiano is always super-motivated. But if the atmosphere is hostile it motivates him more."

The former AC Milan and Chelsea boss was a Roma player when the Italian side faced Liverpool in the 1984 European Cup final, although he missed the match through injury. Despite the Reds winning that match to claim their fourth European crown, Ancelotti revealed that the atmosphere created by the club's fans means he has had a soft spot for the Merseyside club ever since.

"I followed Liverpool from 1984 when I faced them with Roma in the European Cup final and we lost on penalties," he said. "It's always been a club that make me emotional.

"'You'll Never Walk Alone' is incredible. No one sings it the way Liverpool fans do."

Ancelotti was also in charge of AC Milan for the 2005 final in Istanbul, which his side led 3-0 at half-time but let that lead slip and eventually lost in a penalty shootout.

"I remember how they sang it at the end of the first half in Istanbul," he added. "Incredible. One of the memories which had the biggest impact in my career.

"When we play I will go out early at Anfield because I want to hear fans sing 'You'll Never Walk Alone.' It gives me so much emotion. I go on the internet and I listen to it and I make friends watch it. It's really unique. Really.

"I was surprised they were singing at half-time. For an Italian it was a shock. But they are real fans. In Italy if you're losing 3-0... it's not that they jeer you -- they throw stones at you.

"I don't think it was fundamental for the Liverpool comeback but it helps."
 
"In Italy if you're losing 3-0... It's not that they jeered you - they throw stones at you."

Hahaha
 
Dejan Lovren has delivered a brutally honest assessment of Liverpool’s performance against Queens Park Rangers on Sunday, saying that he took little satisfaction from their 3-2 win at Loftus Road, and he has called for a vast improvement against Real Madrid on Wednesday.

Liverpool were deeply unimpressive against the Premier League’s bottom club and Lovren admitted his side cannot afford to defend so poorly in their daunting Champions League encounter with the European champions at Anfield. Carlo Ancelotti’s squad, including the attacking might of Cristiano Ronaldo and James Rodríguez, are unlikely to be as charitable with their finishing as QPR were on several occasions.

“I was glad it was over because I think one minute more and it would have been 3-3,” Lovren said. “It’s the first time in my career I was unhappy after the game even though we won because we didn’t play good. We need to improve and play more like a team. This was not an easy game but one that we should have seen out comfortably, especially after taking the lead. We need to be better and in our next game against Real Madrid we need to show more.

“We knew it would be a difficult game at QPR but I thought we would show a little bit more and that we would be a bit stronger, but we weren’t. The first half was as bad as we’ve played in the opening eight games. The second half was much better but when you are 1-0 up you need to calm things. We had a chance for 2-0 and if we had taken it then it’s a different game.”

Liverpool have made a stuttering start to their Champions League campaign and lie third in Group B after losing their previous match to Basel. However, Lovren expects a positive reaction against Madrid.

“We will not play like that against Real Madrid, you can be sure of that,” the defender said. “We will be better. We cannot play like this because we know what we can expect from Real Madrid. Their players, we know who they are and we will prepare a little bit different.”

Lovren said that Liverpool have no special plans to deal with Ronaldo, rather that they have to start playing as a team again. “No, we need to be more compact, to run more, we need to be like one player on the pitch, all together, to breathe the same,” he said. “We have amazing individual players but we need to show it like a team.”
Liverpool have only kept one clean sheet this season and have conceded in each of their past eight games. “A lot of things are not right at the moment but it will come,” Lovren said. “We didn’t play with so many new players against QPR, so that’s not a reason.”
 
I wish Lovren had also said "Personally, I wasn't anywhere near good enough, and i'll make sure that never happens again"
 
My only real decision is Manquillo or Johnson? The rest picks it's self in my opinion.

Mingolet, RB, Skrtel, Lovren, Moreno. Henderson, Allen, Gerrard, Lallana, Sterling, Balotelli.

Coutinho to come on and try change the game again if needed.

I'd also have no problem if we dropped Balotelli but this could be the type of game that he casually scores a screamer for us.
 
Why hasnt Borini been playing to be honest?

The way he worked his socks off for Sunderland last season shows he is exactly the type of striker we need up top at the moment. Ok he's nowhere near Suarez in terms of skill but at least he will chase about and lead the tempo from the front.

I'd even say give Borini and Lambert as a twosome a go and see how that pans out.
 
My only real decision is Manquillo or Johnson? The rest picks it's self in my opinion.

Mingolet, RB, Skrtel, Lovren, Moreno. Henderson, Allen, Gerrard, Lallana, Sterling, Balotelli.

Coutinho to come on and try change the game again if needed.

I'd also have no problem if we dropped Balotelli but this could be the type of game that he casually scores a screamer for us.

It's Manquillo for me.
 
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