Raul Meireles
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46053.msg1362207#msg1362207 date=1310199276]
I'm actually starting to think people overrate Meireles.
He had a good rather than great debut season. He had a lot of poor games.
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So did the team though, I do think he lacks an all round game, but he thrived in a good attacking system and we missed him when he wasn't there.
I'm actually starting to think people overrate Meireles.
He had a good rather than great debut season. He had a lot of poor games.
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So did the team though, I do think he lacks an all round game, but he thrived in a good attacking system and we missed him when he wasn't there.
And that's why nobody talks bout anybody else having a great season last year. Meireles was inconsistent in the first half of the season and then hit a burst of form at the beginning of the new year.
I'm not all that bothered what we do with him tbh, I wouldn't be upset if we sold him for a decent price and I'd be happy to see him in the team. I don't see this deal making or breaking our season like some others might.
I'm not all that bothered what we do with him tbh, I wouldn't be upset if we sold him for a decent price and I'd be happy to see him in the team. I don't see this deal making or breaking our season like some others might.
So we are getting rid of our best player from last season cos he doesnt stick the boot in enough? fucking hell, there are some strange transfer dealings going on but flogging Mereiles for being too lightweight and bringing Aqualani back into the fold is dare I say it reminiscent of Kennys Newcastle era mental dealings. If this is over money fair enough or the belief that he can generate a decent fee to be reinvested but we are now looking to offload our best midfielder for the 3rd consecutive season while clogging the centre of the park with journeymen. He isnt exactly Roy Keane when it comes to aggression but what sort of midfield are we trying to build, an Everton style team of physical bruisers?
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He was also played out of position more often than not.
Since Kenny came back Meireles has been very good indeed. That's not something I'd want to lose from our attacking armoury. I'm confident that we can ride things out if he does go, but it would most certainly not be my preferred option.
Money is definitely a part of the decision. It makes no sense to be paying Gerrard, Adam, Shelvey, Aquilani, Meireles, Spearing and Lucas when half of them aren't going to see much game time. It's money down the drain effectively. Since nobody wants Aquilani we're stuck with him - but he's salvageable as a player. Meireles is apparently grumbling about a pay rise, has some suitors and the money can be used for a winger that we will play and get something out of.
It's also worth noting that in Morse's Player of the Season tallies - Meireles comes in as our third best midfielder.
It's also worth noting that in Morse's Player of the Season tallies - Meireles comes in as our third best midfielder.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46053.msg1362215#msg1362215 date=1310199930]
Money is definitely a part of the decision. It makes no sense to be paying Gerrard, Adam, Shelvey, Aquilani, Meireles, Spearing and Lucas when half of them aren't going to see much game time. It's money down the drain effectively. Since nobody wants Aquilani we're stuck with him - but he's salvageable as a player. Meireles is apparently grumbling about a pay rise, has some suitors and the money can be used for a winger that we will play and get something out of.
It's also worth noting that in Morse's Player of the Season tallies - Meireles comes in as our third best midfielder.
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What,really?!
Money is definitely a part of the decision. It makes no sense to be paying Gerrard, Adam, Shelvey, Aquilani, Meireles, Spearing and Lucas when half of them aren't going to see much game time. It's money down the drain effectively. Since nobody wants Aquilani we're stuck with him - but he's salvageable as a player. Meireles is apparently grumbling about a pay rise, has some suitors and the money can be used for a winger that we will play and get something out of.
It's also worth noting that in Morse's Player of the Season tallies - Meireles comes in as our third best midfielder.
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What,really?!
Yes- I like Meireles, but his reputation is somewhat inflated. He had a run of games where he scored some crucial goals, and there's no doubt he has a terrific knack of gambling on making gut busting runs into the danger area in the hope of receiving the ball, but I don't think he made us play better if you know what I mean. Aquialani provided more assists in his heavily curtailed debut season than Raul did this year. Having said that, I do like him, and midfielders who score are a valuable asset, so I'm torn.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46053.msg1362224#msg1362224 date=1310201508]
Am I the only one who thinks Aquilani could do what Meireles did last year ?
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I don't think he'd do what Meireles did, in terms of his off the ball movement, but he would probably provide a similar impact in terms of assists and goals. Probably more of the former and less of the latter. The problem really is that Ming gives us something our other midfielders don't, Aquilani would give us other qualities.
Am I the only one who thinks Aquilani could do what Meireles did last year ?
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I don't think he'd do what Meireles did, in terms of his off the ball movement, but he would probably provide a similar impact in terms of assists and goals. Probably more of the former and less of the latter. The problem really is that Ming gives us something our other midfielders don't, Aquilani would give us other qualities.
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46053.msg1362224#msg1362224 date=1310201508]
Am I the only one who thinks Aquilani could do what Meireles did last year ?
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I don't think he'd do what Meireles did, in terms of his off the ball movement, but he would probably provide a similar impact in terms of assists and goals. Probably more of the former and less of the latter. The problem really is that Ming gives us something our other midfielders don't, Aquilani would give us other qualities.
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I do think Aqua will be better at unpicking the lock, but Ming is always likely to score more goals.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46053.msg1362224#msg1362224 date=1310201508]
Am I the only one who thinks Aquilani could do what Meireles did last year ?
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I don't think he'd do what Meireles did, in terms of his off the ball movement, but he would probably provide a similar impact in terms of assists and goals. Probably more of the former and less of the latter. The problem really is that Ming gives us something our other midfielders don't, Aquilani would give us other qualities.
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I do think Aqua will be better at unpicking the lock, but Ming is always likely to score more goals.
It's not selling Ming for Adam. It's making the choice between Ming & Aqua.
Adam does a very different job than Ming, Ming & Aqua offer similar traits.
We cant seem to sell Aqua but we'll get cash for Ming.
Ming is asking for a pay rise when we're trying to lower the wage bill, Aqua isn't.
Given the choice between the two I'd choose Aqua, one of a select few on here it seems, but there you go.
Adam does a very different job than Ming, Ming & Aqua offer similar traits.
We cant seem to sell Aqua but we'll get cash for Ming.
Ming is asking for a pay rise when we're trying to lower the wage bill, Aqua isn't.
Given the choice between the two I'd choose Aqua, one of a select few on here it seems, but there you go.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46053.msg1362224#msg1362224 date=1310201508]
Am I the only one who thinks Aquilani could do what Meireles did last year ?
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My last post makes it evident I was quiffing.
No, you're not, in fact I think Aqualani offers more.
Am I the only one who thinks Aquilani could do what Meireles did last year ?
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My last post makes it evident I was quiffing.
No, you're not, in fact I think Aqualani offers more.
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=46053.msg1362236#msg1362236 date=1310203285]
It's not selling Ming for Adam. It's making the choice between Ming & Aqua.
Adam does a very different job than Ming, Ming & Aqua offer similar traits.
We cant seem to sell Aqua but we'll get cash for Ming.
Ming is asking for a pay rise when we're trying to lower the wage bill, Aqua isn't.
Given the choice between the two I'd choose Aqua, one of a select few on here it seems, but there you go.
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Ming's on about 30k a week though. I think players wages are extortionate, but when he's there busting a gut while Joe Cole is on 90k and Jovanovic is on 48k (initially 120k cos of his signing on fee!) you can see why he might be a bit pissed.
It's not selling Ming for Adam. It's making the choice between Ming & Aqua.
Adam does a very different job than Ming, Ming & Aqua offer similar traits.
We cant seem to sell Aqua but we'll get cash for Ming.
Ming is asking for a pay rise when we're trying to lower the wage bill, Aqua isn't.
Given the choice between the two I'd choose Aqua, one of a select few on here it seems, but there you go.
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Ming's on about 30k a week though. I think players wages are extortionate, but when he's there busting a gut while Joe Cole is on 90k and Jovanovic is on 48k (initially 120k cos of his signing on fee!) you can see why he might be a bit pissed.
Yeah but when you can see the club are trying to get rid of Jova & Cole & offering new players lower wages anyone with half a brain would get the picture.
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=46053.msg1362241#msg1362241 date=1310203578]
Yeah but when you can see the club are trying to get rid of Jova & Cole & offering new players lower wages anyone with half a brain would get the picture.
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True, they're probably not the best examples, but the point is there's less influential players around the squad on better contracts. We've just given Glen Jo a new deal (which I don't have a problem with), but he's been as inconsistent as anyone.
Yeah but when you can see the club are trying to get rid of Jova & Cole & offering new players lower wages anyone with half a brain would get the picture.
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True, they're probably not the best examples, but the point is there's less influential players around the squad on better contracts. We've just given Glen Jo a new deal (which I don't have a problem with), but he's been as inconsistent as anyone.
Good player, Merelies, no doubt. But we'll somehow muddle through without him if its true that Kenny wants to sell him. I'm not sure I agree with posters who doubt King Kenny's judgement. We're overly stocked in midfield and something has to give. If we cant get a decent price for Aquilani, who I think is the better player, then Raul has to go as we can get a good price for him. Personally I'd like to see all the good players stay and the crap ones go and we have a frightenly talented bench
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46053.msg1362239#msg1362239 date=1310203409]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=46053.msg1362236#msg1362236 date=1310203285]
It's not selling Ming for Adam. It's making the choice between Ming & Aqua.
Adam does a very different job than Ming, Ming & Aqua offer similar traits.
We cant seem to sell Aqua but we'll get cash for Ming.
Ming is asking for a pay rise when we're trying to lower the wage bill, Aqua isn't.
Given the choice between the two I'd choose Aqua, one of a select few on here it seems, but there you go.
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Ming's on about 30k a week though. I think players wages are extortionate, but when he's there busting a gut while Joe Cole is on 90k and Jovanovic is on 48k (initially 120k cos of his signing on fee!) you can see why he might be a bit pissed.
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You can't use free transfer wages as a fair comparison Mark
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[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=46053.msg1362236#msg1362236 date=1310203285]
It's not selling Ming for Adam. It's making the choice between Ming & Aqua.
Adam does a very different job than Ming, Ming & Aqua offer similar traits.
We cant seem to sell Aqua but we'll get cash for Ming.
Ming is asking for a pay rise when we're trying to lower the wage bill, Aqua isn't.
Given the choice between the two I'd choose Aqua, one of a select few on here it seems, but there you go.
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Ming's on about 30k a week though. I think players wages are extortionate, but when he's there busting a gut while Joe Cole is on 90k and Jovanovic is on 48k (initially 120k cos of his signing on fee!) you can see why he might be a bit pissed.
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You can't use free transfer wages as a fair comparison Mark
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Selling Ming would be madness. I like Aquilaini too, but Ming wants to be there, Aqualilani clearly does not.
Ming had a fairly erratic first half to the season, but better than most, and when played in a correct position really was the business and we missed him when he was not there.
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Ming had a fairly erratic first half to the season, but better than most, and when played in a correct position really was the business and we missed him when he was not there.
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46053.msg1362266#msg1362266 date=1310206041]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46053.msg1362239#msg1362239 date=1310203409]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=46053.msg1362236#msg1362236 date=1310203285]
It's not selling Ming for Adam. It's making the choice between Ming & Aqua.
Adam does a very different job than Ming, Ming & Aqua offer similar traits.
We cant seem to sell Aqua but we'll get cash for Ming.
Ming is asking for a pay rise when we're trying to lower the wage bill, Aqua isn't.
Given the choice between the two I'd choose Aqua, one of a select few on here it seems, but there you go.
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Ming's on about 30k a week though. I think players wages are extortionate, but when he's there busting a gut while Joe Cole is on 90k and Jovanovic is on 48k (initially 120k cos of his signing on fee!) you can see why he might be a bit pissed.
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You can't use free transfer wages as a fair comparison Mark
regards
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I know Vladders, the point still stands though, there's probably less influential players in the squad who are on better wages.
I wonder how much we've just given Johnson aswell, we've seemed quick off the mark to tie him down, though I know he's younger, but still, I doubt he's on less than £60k per week.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46053.msg1362239#msg1362239 date=1310203409]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=46053.msg1362236#msg1362236 date=1310203285]
It's not selling Ming for Adam. It's making the choice between Ming & Aqua.
Adam does a very different job than Ming, Ming & Aqua offer similar traits.
We cant seem to sell Aqua but we'll get cash for Ming.
Ming is asking for a pay rise when we're trying to lower the wage bill, Aqua isn't.
Given the choice between the two I'd choose Aqua, one of a select few on here it seems, but there you go.
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Ming's on about 30k a week though. I think players wages are extortionate, but when he's there busting a gut while Joe Cole is on 90k and Jovanovic is on 48k (initially 120k cos of his signing on fee!) you can see why he might be a bit pissed.
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You can't use free transfer wages as a fair comparison Mark
regards
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I know Vladders, the point still stands though, there's probably less influential players in the squad who are on better wages.
I wonder how much we've just given Johnson aswell, we've seemed quick off the mark to tie him down, though I know he's younger, but still, I doubt he's on less than £60k per week.
Interesting. This looks like the first move of kenny's second term that a large portion of the fans are against him on.
I'm with him, but it helps that I came to the same conclusion myself!
I'm with him, but it helps that I came to the same conclusion myself!
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46053.msg1362268#msg1362268 date=1310206242]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46053.msg1362266#msg1362266 date=1310206041]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46053.msg1362239#msg1362239 date=1310203409]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=46053.msg1362236#msg1362236 date=1310203285]
It's not selling Ming for Adam. It's making the choice between Ming & Aqua.
Adam does a very different job than Ming, Ming & Aqua offer similar traits.
We cant seem to sell Aqua but we'll get cash for Ming.
Ming is asking for a pay rise when we're trying to lower the wage bill, Aqua isn't.
Given the choice between the two I'd choose Aqua, one of a select few on here it seems, but there you go.
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Ming's on about 30k a week though. I think players wages are extortionate, but when he's there busting a gut while Joe Cole is on 90k and Jovanovic is on 48k (initially 120k cos of his signing on fee!) you can see why he might be a bit pissed.
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You can't use free transfer wages as a fair comparison Mark
regards
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I know Vladders, the point still stands though, there's probably less influential players in the squad who are on better wages.
I wonder how much we've just given Johnson aswell, we've seemed quick off the mark to tie him down, though I know he's younger, but still, I doubt he's on less than £60k per week.
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He's english. If you're thinking the higher transfer value doesn't also apply to wages you're mistaken.
They're more valuable to the club than foreign players, agents know that.
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46053.msg1362266#msg1362266 date=1310206041]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46053.msg1362239#msg1362239 date=1310203409]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=46053.msg1362236#msg1362236 date=1310203285]
It's not selling Ming for Adam. It's making the choice between Ming & Aqua.
Adam does a very different job than Ming, Ming & Aqua offer similar traits.
We cant seem to sell Aqua but we'll get cash for Ming.
Ming is asking for a pay rise when we're trying to lower the wage bill, Aqua isn't.
Given the choice between the two I'd choose Aqua, one of a select few on here it seems, but there you go.
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Ming's on about 30k a week though. I think players wages are extortionate, but when he's there busting a gut while Joe Cole is on 90k and Jovanovic is on 48k (initially 120k cos of his signing on fee!) you can see why he might be a bit pissed.
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You can't use free transfer wages as a fair comparison Mark
regards
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I know Vladders, the point still stands though, there's probably less influential players in the squad who are on better wages.
I wonder how much we've just given Johnson aswell, we've seemed quick off the mark to tie him down, though I know he's younger, but still, I doubt he's on less than £60k per week.
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He's english. If you're thinking the higher transfer value doesn't also apply to wages you're mistaken.
They're more valuable to the club than foreign players, agents know that.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46053.msg1362224#msg1362224 date=1310201508]
Am I the only one who thinks Aquilani could do what Meireles did last year ?
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No but it would be a big fuck off gamble.
If Aqua comes back and gives it his all then it could be a superb call from Kenny and co, i just worry about what happens if he has his grumpy/sickly head on though.
Am I the only one who thinks Aquilani could do what Meireles did last year ?
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No but it would be a big fuck off gamble.
If Aqua comes back and gives it his all then it could be a superb call from Kenny and co, i just worry about what happens if he has his grumpy/sickly head on though.
I guess there's no smoke without fire anyway, this story has rumbled on for a few months now so unless we see him signing a new contract in the near future, it's a cert he's moving on.
Back to the original post anyway regards him being sold for being a shithouse, considering the role he plays, that's a pathetic attitude. I like Aquilani but he's about soft in the tackle, if not more so.
Back to the original post anyway regards him being sold for being a shithouse, considering the role he plays, that's a pathetic attitude. I like Aquilani but he's about soft in the tackle, if not more so.
I guess its a case of Aqua and Ming being rated the same and we can get a buyer for Ming and not Aqua.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46053.msg1362272#msg1362272 date=1310206650]
That doesn't appease the player though, and nor should it. Meireles is as influential as Johnson is, is it fair that Johnson is more than likely on twice the wages? I see no reason why it's not justifiable that Meireles should expect to be held in the same regard.
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Apparently Raul was promised a pay rise after his first season, albeit when new owners were in charge. It's not like he's being a greedy bollocks, if you're promised a pay rise then you'd expect to get it, whether you're a footballer or not.
As for these people saying we should be selling Aquilani first - missing the point lads, we can't sell him because there's no takers(as it stands). Should and can are two different things. Ideally Konchesky, Poulsen, El Zhar, Degen, Jova, Cole etc would have already left. Unfortunately it's not as easy as that.
That doesn't appease the player though, and nor should it. Meireles is as influential as Johnson is, is it fair that Johnson is more than likely on twice the wages? I see no reason why it's not justifiable that Meireles should expect to be held in the same regard.
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Apparently Raul was promised a pay rise after his first season, albeit when new owners were in charge. It's not like he's being a greedy bollocks, if you're promised a pay rise then you'd expect to get it, whether you're a footballer or not.
As for these people saying we should be selling Aquilani first - missing the point lads, we can't sell him because there's no takers(as it stands). Should and can are two different things. Ideally Konchesky, Poulsen, El Zhar, Degen, Jova, Cole etc would have already left. Unfortunately it's not as easy as that.
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