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some shite ratings on here..
we were a man down against a very strong Everton team.
I thought Maxi was quiet in the first half but really stepped up his game when the pressure started to build..
NGOG was fucking fantastic.. He held the ball up superbly well and often managed to keep control of a ball that he had no right in getting to in the first place. Very happy with his performance and he kept running until he was subbed..
Insua was excellent again.. he was a real outlet for us down the left and his defending and runs forward were very good. He did get caught out once by Anichibe and once by Landon but for the majority of the game had GREEEAT composure. Looked like a vetran out there.
Lucas was his regular self in the first half..but like every other play showed great fighting spirt in the second half and cleared and blocked the ball regularly when it mattered..
i think that everyone in red was terrific today.. Very very proud of the spirit shown.
Mascherano and Kuyt's work rate melts my heart. nothing is a lost cause and they will fight to the bitter end.
we were a man down against a very strong Everton team.
I thought Maxi was quiet in the first half but really stepped up his game when the pressure started to build..
NGOG was fucking fantastic.. He held the ball up superbly well and often managed to keep control of a ball that he had no right in getting to in the first place. Very happy with his performance and he kept running until he was subbed..
Insua was excellent again.. he was a real outlet for us down the left and his defending and runs forward were very good. He did get caught out once by Anichibe and once by Landon but for the majority of the game had GREEEAT composure. Looked like a vetran out there.
Lucas was his regular self in the first half..but like every other play showed great fighting spirt in the second half and cleared and blocked the ball regularly when it mattered..
i think that everyone in red was terrific today.. Very very proud of the spirit shown.
Mascherano and Kuyt's work rate melts my heart. nothing is a lost cause and they will fight to the bitter end.
Reina: 7.5 One horribe punch apart which was possibly the worst punching effort I've seen from him in his time at Liverpool, he was composed and focused. Responded with a great save from the Yak when it counted.
Carra: 8 Agree that he looked a little lost at RB but still managed to set the tone with uncompromising tackles galore. Lucky not to get booked early he was tremendous when he moved to CB and seems to be overcoming his poor form with sheer passion.
The Greek: 5.5 Difficult to rate; I thought he looked good early on and was strong in the air. Stupid challenge with I still think was harshly dealt with but it put us in a bad position.
Agger: 7 He's certainly got the composure and, so long as someone with arial authority is standing beside him he looks very accomplished. Was less so after Carra moved next to him but still looked much better on the ground.
Insua: 6 Left for dead by Donovan and then even worse by Anichibe. Some poor crossing mixed with tireless running and a willingness to to get forward. His lack of pace really will stop him from progressing.
Maxi: 6.5 I thought he was utterly anonymous in the first half - in fact I began to wonder if he was actually still on the field. Stepped up his effort in the 2nd half though I still thought he was well short of the rest in midfield.
Mascher: 9.5 Heart in mouth stuff a couple of times; thought he was on a yellow after that first challenge and then I thought he was gone with a broken leg 20 minutes later. His effort at RB was outstanding and reminiscent of Stevie at Istanbul. He's down and up in the same movement and his ferocity is taylor made for this sort of game.
Lucas: 7.5 Got bypassed for much of the first half but was a different player late on and then throughout the 2nd half. His effort to close down everything was fantastic and still looked capable of hurting them on the break. A shame about Babel's effort after he was released but have Torres on the end of that ball and the game could have been over then.
Kuyt: 8 Demonstrated yet again his pro's and con's. Should have had Ngo'g in on goal one on one but under hit the pass badly and in the wrong direction. Touch was still poor but fought endlessly and scored the critical goal with sheer persistence. He doesn't always stand up in important games but he does get some very important goals.
Gerrard: 8.5 Captain is back and no co-incidence that it co-insides with two of our best performances. Loved the way he pushed Mascher and Carra away as he spoke to the Ref after those tackles in the first half. Not at his dynamic best or he'd have won it on his own but he was still the one providing the menace and swagger we've been missing all season.
Ngo'g: 7.5 I thought he was very good - he's no Torres but that shouldn't make him a figure of derision. Couple of exceptional efforts - one incident where he took the ball on the left, turned and gone before pinging in a cross was almost magical. Held off Distan in the box before getting a shot on target - no easy task. He's frustrating but performances like this should see us persist with him for some time.
Rafa: 8 I thought he laid the team out well and was pleased to see Aqua on the bench since this was never his game. Wasn't sure about Mascher to RB but it worked well and we didn't shut up shop when we went to 10 which was something I truly feared.
Carra: 8 Agree that he looked a little lost at RB but still managed to set the tone with uncompromising tackles galore. Lucky not to get booked early he was tremendous when he moved to CB and seems to be overcoming his poor form with sheer passion.
The Greek: 5.5 Difficult to rate; I thought he looked good early on and was strong in the air. Stupid challenge with I still think was harshly dealt with but it put us in a bad position.
Agger: 7 He's certainly got the composure and, so long as someone with arial authority is standing beside him he looks very accomplished. Was less so after Carra moved next to him but still looked much better on the ground.
Insua: 6 Left for dead by Donovan and then even worse by Anichibe. Some poor crossing mixed with tireless running and a willingness to to get forward. His lack of pace really will stop him from progressing.
Maxi: 6.5 I thought he was utterly anonymous in the first half - in fact I began to wonder if he was actually still on the field. Stepped up his effort in the 2nd half though I still thought he was well short of the rest in midfield.
Mascher: 9.5 Heart in mouth stuff a couple of times; thought he was on a yellow after that first challenge and then I thought he was gone with a broken leg 20 minutes later. His effort at RB was outstanding and reminiscent of Stevie at Istanbul. He's down and up in the same movement and his ferocity is taylor made for this sort of game.
Lucas: 7.5 Got bypassed for much of the first half but was a different player late on and then throughout the 2nd half. His effort to close down everything was fantastic and still looked capable of hurting them on the break. A shame about Babel's effort after he was released but have Torres on the end of that ball and the game could have been over then.
Kuyt: 8 Demonstrated yet again his pro's and con's. Should have had Ngo'g in on goal one on one but under hit the pass badly and in the wrong direction. Touch was still poor but fought endlessly and scored the critical goal with sheer persistence. He doesn't always stand up in important games but he does get some very important goals.
Gerrard: 8.5 Captain is back and no co-incidence that it co-insides with two of our best performances. Loved the way he pushed Mascher and Carra away as he spoke to the Ref after those tackles in the first half. Not at his dynamic best or he'd have won it on his own but he was still the one providing the menace and swagger we've been missing all season.
Ngo'g: 7.5 I thought he was very good - he's no Torres but that shouldn't make him a figure of derision. Couple of exceptional efforts - one incident where he took the ball on the left, turned and gone before pinging in a cross was almost magical. Held off Distan in the box before getting a shot on target - no easy task. He's frustrating but performances like this should see us persist with him for some time.
Rafa: 8 I thought he laid the team out well and was pleased to see Aqua on the bench since this was never his game. Wasn't sure about Mascher to RB but it worked well and we didn't shut up shop when we went to 10 which was something I truly feared.
I thought Insua had a decent game overall and if we're giving credit to Lucas for making some very good tackles in the second half, we should also be giving credit to Insua for intercepting in very cool fashion quite a few balls down that left hand side in the last minutes thus ensuring we weren't under constant pressure.
In terms of his pace, I don't think it's actually that bad when he gets going. It's his acceleration that really lets him down and for a player that likes to get tight to his man, that's a real problem. I saw Richards (I think it was him anyways) get caught flat footed the other week and yet in a flash he was back with his man. If (or rather when) Insua gets caught flat footed, he's done for.
Aurelio on the on the other hand gives his opponent a lot more room and tucks inside a little more than he should at times. It has often really frustrated me and I've been yelling at him to get tighter to his man, however maybe this is something Insua should be looking at if he is to avoid getting raped at least once a game.
In terms of his pace, I don't think it's actually that bad when he gets going. It's his acceleration that really lets him down and for a player that likes to get tight to his man, that's a real problem. I saw Richards (I think it was him anyways) get caught flat footed the other week and yet in a flash he was back with his man. If (or rather when) Insua gets caught flat footed, he's done for.
Aurelio on the on the other hand gives his opponent a lot more room and tucks inside a little more than he should at times. It has often really frustrated me and I've been yelling at him to get tighter to his man, however maybe this is something Insua should be looking at if he is to avoid getting raped at least once a game.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=38820.msg1050776#msg1050776 date=1265550764]
I thought Insua had a decent game overall and if we're giving credit to Lucas for making some very good tackles in the second half, we should also be giving credit to Insua for intercepting in very cool fashion quite a few balls down that left hand side in the last minutes thus ensuring we weren't under constant pressure.
In terms of his pace, I don't think it's actually that bad when he gets going. It's his acceleration that really lets him down and for a player that likes to get tight to his man, that's a real problem. I saw Richards (I think it was him anyways) get caught flat footed the other week and yet in a flash he was back with his man. If (or rather when) Insua gets caught flat footed, he's done for.
Aurelio on the on the other hand gives his opponent a lot more room and tucks inside a little more than he should at times. It has often really frustrated me and I've been yelling at him to get tighter to his man, however maybe this is something Insua should be looking at if he is to avoid getting raped at least once a game.
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Come on Keni, in football speed is all about acceleration and anticipation. Babel may be electric over 100 metres but his acceleration is woeful. I'd be willing to bet that Owen could never have stayed with Babel over the 100 on a track but I doubt he'd ever lose any sleep over it. Same with Rushie who was just outstanding over 10 to 15.
Insua, to paraphrase a recent brendan comment, has the acceleration of evolution. If he doesn't start running first he'll finish last just about every time. I'd actually like to see Carra, Sami and Insua in a race some time - just for the hell of it like.
I thought Insua had a decent game overall and if we're giving credit to Lucas for making some very good tackles in the second half, we should also be giving credit to Insua for intercepting in very cool fashion quite a few balls down that left hand side in the last minutes thus ensuring we weren't under constant pressure.
In terms of his pace, I don't think it's actually that bad when he gets going. It's his acceleration that really lets him down and for a player that likes to get tight to his man, that's a real problem. I saw Richards (I think it was him anyways) get caught flat footed the other week and yet in a flash he was back with his man. If (or rather when) Insua gets caught flat footed, he's done for.
Aurelio on the on the other hand gives his opponent a lot more room and tucks inside a little more than he should at times. It has often really frustrated me and I've been yelling at him to get tighter to his man, however maybe this is something Insua should be looking at if he is to avoid getting raped at least once a game.
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Come on Keni, in football speed is all about acceleration and anticipation. Babel may be electric over 100 metres but his acceleration is woeful. I'd be willing to bet that Owen could never have stayed with Babel over the 100 on a track but I doubt he'd ever lose any sleep over it. Same with Rushie who was just outstanding over 10 to 15.
Insua, to paraphrase a recent brendan comment, has the acceleration of evolution. If he doesn't start running first he'll finish last just about every time. I'd actually like to see Carra, Sami and Insua in a race some time - just for the hell of it like.
I don't see why people say he played well *apart from when he got done so easily TWICE*. Surely that's why he didn't play well?
Heh. Err, aren't you just agreeing with me there?
I said his top pace wasn't all *that* bad, but his acceleration really lets him down.
As for Ryan Babel, I think you're wrong about his acceleration. There was this one run earlier this season (I think), which had everyone going "fucking hell, he's fast!" and oddly enough I thought of your posts in the past saying he has no acceleration.
I said his top pace wasn't all *that* bad, but his acceleration really lets him down.
As for Ryan Babel, I think you're wrong about his acceleration. There was this one run earlier this season (I think), which had everyone going "fucking hell, he's fast!" and oddly enough I thought of your posts in the past saying he has no acceleration.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38820.msg1050903#msg1050903 date=1265571053]
Reina 8
Insua 8
Carragher 9
Agger 9
Mascherano 9
lucas 8
Gerrard 8
kuyt 10
maxi 8
Ngog 8
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a bit harsh with a couple of your ratings there Oncey 😉
Reina 8
Insua 8
Carragher 9
Agger 9
Mascherano 9
lucas 8
Gerrard 8
kuyt 10
maxi 8
Ngog 8
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a bit harsh with a couple of your ratings there Oncey 😉
Reina. Made a few good saves and kept a clean sheet. One mistake on attempted clearance from corner, fortunately he got away with it. 7.
Carra. He is a much better centre-back than fullback. A player with complete lack of creativity and speed of a turtle cannot be a permanent fixture at a position that requires equal competence in attack and defense in modern football. Killed quite a few promising attacking moves in the first half. Then he switched to CB and produced a flawless performance. 4.5/8.
Kyrgiakos - Sending off was harsh IMO, so I will not factor it in my score. Has won every header and most one-on-one duels against Cahill and Saha. On the other hand, his passing was pretty terrible. Everton players smartly pressured Agger and defensive midfielders, forcing us to start attacks through the least competent passers of the ball in the team - Kyrgiakos and Carra. But that's Rafa's job to make sure we have a good way to start attacks consistently. Up until the sending off, the greek did everything he was supposed to do and did it well. 7.
Agger - Strong and smart performance. 7.
Insua - Got skinned by Donovan a couple of times, but did well not to compound his mistakes by fouling. Made 5 or 6 very good interceptions. Tried hard in attack, but without much success. 6.5
Kuyt - From the first minute you could see that Dirk is in good form. He was our best player today by a mile. Made right decisions 99% of the time, was useful in defense, even showed some neat dribbling moves and scored an amazing winning goal. 10.
Mascherano - Grossly overrated by most posters here, IMO. Was far from mistake-free even when played in CM; after moving to the RB position was caught out of position several times, recklessly overcomitted in tackles as usual and made zero attacking contribution, if you don't count the one time he joined a promising attack and turned it into an Everon counterattack with a terrible giveaway. 6/5.
Lucas - Good game from the Brazilian. He even reminded me he is Brazilian after all when he used a neat trick to break free in the middle of the park in the 2nd half. Useful in defense as well, was up to the par to the pace and intensity of the derby and made no major mistakes. 7.5.
Gerrard - played OK. What worries me, though, is that he seems to have lost any shreds of creativity and invention in attack. He is still solid and valuable in defense and midfield battles, but everything he does in attack these days is predictable and uninspired. If he keeps playing like that Rafa should move him back to CM and try Aquilani at AM instead. 6.5.
Maxi - went missing in the first half. But just as I was thinking that Rafa made a big mistake by trusting him over Riera, he reappeared and showed his good vision and technique, engineering several good counterattacking moves. Very good performance in the 2nd half made me forget his forgetful performance in the 1st. 6.5.
N'Gog - Here is a talented lad who is trying hard and improving slowly but surely. Torres might have turned one of his 2 or 3 attacking chances into a goal. But other than that, I though N'Gog played well, showed good movement and was dangerous. From the reception after the substitution was announced, you could see that fans appreciated his effort too. 6.5.
Babel - I don't think he looked "lazy and disinterested" when he came on. He just kind of looks like that the way he runs, but he actually ran quite a lot today. Not much to show for it, unfortunately. But I don't think that was a bad performance, either. 6.
Carra. He is a much better centre-back than fullback. A player with complete lack of creativity and speed of a turtle cannot be a permanent fixture at a position that requires equal competence in attack and defense in modern football. Killed quite a few promising attacking moves in the first half. Then he switched to CB and produced a flawless performance. 4.5/8.
Kyrgiakos - Sending off was harsh IMO, so I will not factor it in my score. Has won every header and most one-on-one duels against Cahill and Saha. On the other hand, his passing was pretty terrible. Everton players smartly pressured Agger and defensive midfielders, forcing us to start attacks through the least competent passers of the ball in the team - Kyrgiakos and Carra. But that's Rafa's job to make sure we have a good way to start attacks consistently. Up until the sending off, the greek did everything he was supposed to do and did it well. 7.
Agger - Strong and smart performance. 7.
Insua - Got skinned by Donovan a couple of times, but did well not to compound his mistakes by fouling. Made 5 or 6 very good interceptions. Tried hard in attack, but without much success. 6.5
Kuyt - From the first minute you could see that Dirk is in good form. He was our best player today by a mile. Made right decisions 99% of the time, was useful in defense, even showed some neat dribbling moves and scored an amazing winning goal. 10.
Mascherano - Grossly overrated by most posters here, IMO. Was far from mistake-free even when played in CM; after moving to the RB position was caught out of position several times, recklessly overcomitted in tackles as usual and made zero attacking contribution, if you don't count the one time he joined a promising attack and turned it into an Everon counterattack with a terrible giveaway. 6/5.
Lucas - Good game from the Brazilian. He even reminded me he is Brazilian after all when he used a neat trick to break free in the middle of the park in the 2nd half. Useful in defense as well, was up to the par to the pace and intensity of the derby and made no major mistakes. 7.5.
Gerrard - played OK. What worries me, though, is that he seems to have lost any shreds of creativity and invention in attack. He is still solid and valuable in defense and midfield battles, but everything he does in attack these days is predictable and uninspired. If he keeps playing like that Rafa should move him back to CM and try Aquilani at AM instead. 6.5.
Maxi - went missing in the first half. But just as I was thinking that Rafa made a big mistake by trusting him over Riera, he reappeared and showed his good vision and technique, engineering several good counterattacking moves. Very good performance in the 2nd half made me forget his forgetful performance in the 1st. 6.5.
N'Gog - Here is a talented lad who is trying hard and improving slowly but surely. Torres might have turned one of his 2 or 3 attacking chances into a goal. But other than that, I though N'Gog played well, showed good movement and was dangerous. From the reception after the substitution was announced, you could see that fans appreciated his effort too. 6.5.
Babel - I don't think he looked "lazy and disinterested" when he came on. He just kind of looks like that the way he runs, but he actually ran quite a lot today. Not much to show for it, unfortunately. But I don't think that was a bad performance, either. 6.
Rating Lucas higher than Masher is, quite simply, cretinous
Rating Gerrard lower than Lucas is beyond words and comprehension
Tragic
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38820.msg1050922#msg1050922 date=1265575843]
Rating Gerrard lower than Lucas is beyond words and comprehension
Tragic
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Perhaps you should try to watch the game rather than base your ranking on your deep-seated prejudices towards or against a particular player.
If Lucas made that giveaway Masher made today, you would would already be gathering a lynching mob with torches to march on Melwood and hang the poor lad.
Rating Gerrard lower than Lucas is beyond words and comprehension
Tragic
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Perhaps you should try to watch the game rather than base your ranking on your deep-seated prejudices towards or against a particular player.
If Lucas made that giveaway Masher made today, you would would already be gathering a lynching mob with torches to march on Melwood and hang the poor lad.
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I am really suprised by some of the ratings Ngog has gotten.
I was very pleased with his performance. Everyone talks about the ferocity of this derby and then seemingly forget how difficult it must be for a young striker to play up front on his own against a physical defence.
He held the ball up, won fouls, stretched their defence and at times also pulled off some pretty smooth stuff. He still has the tendency to mix the sublime with the ridiculous, but if we persist with him, we might see more and more of the sublime.
Contrast that with Babel jogging about at his leisure doing an occasional karate kick to try win the ball (was very unhappy with him today).
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I often agree with the comments you make and this is no different. I thought Ngog was very game, worked hard, had a couple of half chances, won the corner for the goal and did well until he tired.
Babel just jogged around half-heartedly and displayed the reasons why I think we should get rid.
I am really suprised by some of the ratings Ngog has gotten.
I was very pleased with his performance. Everyone talks about the ferocity of this derby and then seemingly forget how difficult it must be for a young striker to play up front on his own against a physical defence.
He held the ball up, won fouls, stretched their defence and at times also pulled off some pretty smooth stuff. He still has the tendency to mix the sublime with the ridiculous, but if we persist with him, we might see more and more of the sublime.
Contrast that with Babel jogging about at his leisure doing an occasional karate kick to try win the ball (was very unhappy with him today).
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I often agree with the comments you make and this is no different. I thought Ngog was very game, worked hard, had a couple of half chances, won the corner for the goal and did well until he tired.
Babel just jogged around half-heartedly and displayed the reasons why I think we should get rid.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38820.msg1050922#msg1050922 date=1265575843]
Rating Gerrard lower than Lucas is beyond words and comprehension
Tragic
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He's rating players based on the game only, surely you can see this?
Rating Gerrard lower than Lucas is beyond words and comprehension
Tragic
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He's rating players based on the game only, surely you can see this?
I watched the second half again last night, and I must say that I was unduly negative about Babel, who while not brilliant, did actually put significant effort in.
Reina 8 - Steady as always. One of the best keepers in Europe
Insua 7 - much improved. Was excellent for the last 25 minutes. Ratings of 3 and 4 I've seen on here are fucking embarrassing. Criticise all you like when he has a shit game but at least give him some credit when he has a decent one.
Carragher 9 - Immense. Defensive Giant
Agger 8 - Good return from the big Dane
Krygiakos - 7 - was doing OK until the sending off
Mascherano 9 - Born winner. Was simply brilliant
lucas 7.5 - Had a great game and was effective in the role he was playing. Broke play up well and hardly put a foot wrong. Yet again, ridculous ratings from some who can't see past the reputation they've laid down for him.
Gerrard 8 - Much better from Stevie
kuyt 9 - Tireless and the hardest working player in football. Deserved a goal
maxi 7.5 - Nothing amazing but showed great professionalism and postional awareness and worked really hard
Ngog 7 - shaky 1st half. Much improved 2nd half.
Babel - 1 - lazy ineffective and shouldn't wear the red strip ever agin. He simply could not be arsed. He's got no heart, no passion and no brain. Benitez was screaming at him to close players down but he just wasn't interested jogging round the pitch like he was out for a morning run
Insua 7 - much improved. Was excellent for the last 25 minutes. Ratings of 3 and 4 I've seen on here are fucking embarrassing. Criticise all you like when he has a shit game but at least give him some credit when he has a decent one.
Carragher 9 - Immense. Defensive Giant
Agger 8 - Good return from the big Dane
Krygiakos - 7 - was doing OK until the sending off
Mascherano 9 - Born winner. Was simply brilliant
lucas 7.5 - Had a great game and was effective in the role he was playing. Broke play up well and hardly put a foot wrong. Yet again, ridculous ratings from some who can't see past the reputation they've laid down for him.
Gerrard 8 - Much better from Stevie
kuyt 9 - Tireless and the hardest working player in football. Deserved a goal
maxi 7.5 - Nothing amazing but showed great professionalism and postional awareness and worked really hard
Ngog 7 - shaky 1st half. Much improved 2nd half.
Babel - 1 - lazy ineffective and shouldn't wear the red strip ever agin. He simply could not be arsed. He's got no heart, no passion and no brain. Benitez was screaming at him to close players down but he just wasn't interested jogging round the pitch like he was out for a morning run
[quote author=keniget link=topic=38820.msg1050776#msg1050776 date=1265550764]
I thought Insua had a decent game overall and if we're giving credit to Lucas for making some very good tackles in the second half, we should also be giving credit to Insua for intercepting in very cool fashion quite a few balls down that left hand side in the last minutes thus ensuring we weren't under constant pressure.
In terms of his pace, I don't think it's actually that bad when he gets going. It's his acceleration that really lets him down and for a player that likes to get tight to his man, that's a real problem. I saw Richards (I think it was him anyways) get caught flat footed the other week and yet in a flash he was back with his man. If (or rather when) Insua gets caught flat footed, he's done for.
Aurelio on the on the other hand gives his opponent a lot more room and tucks inside a little more than he should at times. It has often really frustrated me and I've been yelling at him to get tighter to his man, however maybe this is something Insua should be looking at if he is to avoid getting raped at least once a game.
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I agree with that Keni. He's got lots more work to do to improve (Insua) but he had a good game yesterday
I thought Insua had a decent game overall and if we're giving credit to Lucas for making some very good tackles in the second half, we should also be giving credit to Insua for intercepting in very cool fashion quite a few balls down that left hand side in the last minutes thus ensuring we weren't under constant pressure.
In terms of his pace, I don't think it's actually that bad when he gets going. It's his acceleration that really lets him down and for a player that likes to get tight to his man, that's a real problem. I saw Richards (I think it was him anyways) get caught flat footed the other week and yet in a flash he was back with his man. If (or rather when) Insua gets caught flat footed, he's done for.
Aurelio on the on the other hand gives his opponent a lot more room and tucks inside a little more than he should at times. It has often really frustrated me and I've been yelling at him to get tighter to his man, however maybe this is something Insua should be looking at if he is to avoid getting raped at least once a game.
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I agree with that Keni. He's got lots more work to do to improve (Insua) but he had a good game yesterday
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38820.msg1050922#msg1050922 date=1265575843]
Rating Gerrard lower than Lucas is beyond words and comprehension
Tragic
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Whereas you gave a higher rating to somebody who got sent off after 35 minutes than to some players who played nearly the full 90.
Great work.
Rating Gerrard lower than Lucas is beyond words and comprehension
Tragic
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Whereas you gave a higher rating to somebody who got sent off after 35 minutes than to some players who played nearly the full 90.
Great work.
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=38820.msg1050957#msg1050957 date=1265580249]
I watched the second half again last night, and I must say that I was unduly negative about Babel, who while not brilliant, did actually put significant effort in.
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They won't hear you though.
I watched the second half again last night, and I must say that I was unduly negative about Babel, who while not brilliant, did actually put significant effort in.
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They won't hear you though.
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[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=38820.msg1050957#msg1050957 date=1265580249]
I watched the second half again last night, and I must say that I was unduly negative about Babel, who while not brilliant, did actually put significant effort in.
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They won't hear you though.
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he didn't mate. He was lazy as always especially when we needed him not to be and all those around were busting their guts. Fuck him off and let someone like Pacheco get a chance. They cannot do any worse. It's not possible
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=38820.msg1050957#msg1050957 date=1265580249]
I watched the second half again last night, and I must say that I was unduly negative about Babel, who while not brilliant, did actually put significant effort in.
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They won't hear you though.
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he didn't mate. He was lazy as always especially when we needed him not to be and all those around were busting their guts. Fuck him off and let someone like Pacheco get a chance. They cannot do any worse. It's not possible
I'm no fan of Ryan Babel, and wasn't so sure subbing out Ngog, who had been doing well at a thankless task was the right thing. He was probably exhausted though.
I was fully expecting Babel to jog around, and I saw what I wanted to saw the first time around.
I'm not saying he was Dirk Kuyt out there, but he put significantly more effort in that he usually does, and while that isn't saying a lot, I don't think he was being lazy. I still wouldn't rate his performance that high.
I was fully expecting Babel to jog around, and I saw what I wanted to saw the first time around.
I'm not saying he was Dirk Kuyt out there, but he put significantly more effort in that he usually does, and while that isn't saying a lot, I don't think he was being lazy. I still wouldn't rate his performance that high.
I'm fed up of him Farky, I really am. I was watching Babel a lot off the ball on Saturday and the effort simply wasn't there. Whether that came across on the telly or not I don't know. We needed some effort from him Saturday and we needed him to be closing down players - and he should have been - fresh legs and all that. I've had it with him. Give someone else a chance
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Rating Lucas higher than Masher is, quite simply, cretinous
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I agree. However there are people on here giving Lucas the same as Babel. Equally as cretinous
Rating Lucas higher than Masher is, quite simply, cretinous
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I agree. However there are people on here giving Lucas the same as Babel. Equally as cretinous
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I'm no fan of Ryan Babel, and wasn't so sure subbing out Ngog, who had been doing well at a thankless task was the right thing. He was probably exhausted though.
I was fully expecting Babel to jog around, and I saw what I wanted to saw the first time around.
I'm not saying he was Dirk Kuyt out there, but he put significantly more effort in that he usually does, and while that isn't saying a lot, I don't think he was being lazy. I still wouldn't rate his performance that high.
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Is right.
Ryan did look interested yesterday.
I'm no fan of Ryan Babel, and wasn't so sure subbing out Ngog, who had been doing well at a thankless task was the right thing. He was probably exhausted though.
I was fully expecting Babel to jog around, and I saw what I wanted to saw the first time around.
I'm not saying he was Dirk Kuyt out there, but he put significantly more effort in that he usually does, and while that isn't saying a lot, I don't think he was being lazy. I still wouldn't rate his performance that high.
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Is right.
Ryan did look interested yesterday.
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Heh. Err, aren't you just agreeing with me there?
I said his top pace wasn't all *that* bad, but his acceleration really lets him down.
As for Ryan Babel, I think you're wrong about his acceleration. There was this one run earlier this season (I think), which had everyone going "fucking hell, he's fast!" and oddly enough I thought of your posts in the past saying he has no acceleration.
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If he's got such acceleration Ken why does that *one* instance of him running fast stand out in your mind?
As for the comment on Insua - maybe I mis read it but I got the impression you were suggesting that his speed isn't really all that bad once he get's going. I was simply pointing out that speed in football is really all about acceleration so his top speed "once he gets going" doesn't really come into it IMO.
Heh. Err, aren't you just agreeing with me there?
I said his top pace wasn't all *that* bad, but his acceleration really lets him down.
As for Ryan Babel, I think you're wrong about his acceleration. There was this one run earlier this season (I think), which had everyone going "fucking hell, he's fast!" and oddly enough I thought of your posts in the past saying he has no acceleration.
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If he's got such acceleration Ken why does that *one* instance of him running fast stand out in your mind?
As for the comment on Insua - maybe I mis read it but I got the impression you were suggesting that his speed isn't really all that bad once he get's going. I was simply pointing out that speed in football is really all about acceleration so his top speed "once he gets going" doesn't really come into it IMO.
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