Rafa to Juve link denied

[Jürgen4PM]

[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=38644.msg1097144#msg1097144 date=1272706945]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38644.msg1097142#msg1097142 date=1272706848]
If he was looking out for himself, wouldn't he wait until he got sacked?
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You don't think Juve are pressuring him to make a decision? If he delays too long, he risks losing that opportunity. Plus he knows perfectly well that Liverpool can't afford to sack him.


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With the distinct possibility of new owners coming in over the next 2 months, i would of thought Rafa being a "sneaky, selfish cunt" (in your bitter eyes anyway), he'd of stayed on looking for some of that £16m.

As you've allready stated, he's still highly regarded as a manager, so finding another top job shouldn't take him long even if he misses out on the Juve post.

 

[TheBunnyman]

[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38644.msg1097154#msg1097154 date=1272707506]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=38644.msg1097144#msg1097144 date=1272706945]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38644.msg1097142#msg1097142 date=1272706848]
If he was looking out for himself, wouldn't he wait until he got sacked?
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You don't think Juve are pressuring him to make a decision? If he delays too long, he risks losing that opportunity. Plus he knows perfectly well that Liverpool can't afford to sack him.


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With the distinct possibility of new owners coming in over the next 2 months, i would of thought Rafa being a "sneaky, selfish cunt" (in your bitter eyes anyway), he'd of stayed on looking for some of that £16m.

As you've allready stated, he's still highly regarded as a manager, so finding another top job shouldn't take him long even if he misses out on the Juve post.
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I'm not suggesting money is his only motivation. The clean slate and big transfer fund at Juve must be very appealing. He can get his career back on track there after staining his reputation a bit this season.

I'm also pretty sure his agent is trying to persuade Juve to give him a big signing-on fee in compensation for the £16m he'll miss out on by resigning.

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=Terrier link=topic=38644.msg1097153#msg1097153 date=1272707454]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=38644.msg1097152#msg1097152 date=1272707330]
I'm as fed up with some of Rafa's decisions now and then as the next man but believe me no-one would've made great progress over the past 1½ year having to cash in £12M on players instead of actully getting the backing to improve.

You can all try to convince yourself it had been much better with someone else at the helm but it hadn't. Money rules and as Rafa hasn't had any to spend from in the past three windows it's been an uphill task.

I've asked the question before and will do it again:

Which players would you've bought last Summer on the given budget - loosing the likes of Alonso, Arbeloa and Sami? Even with the knowledge of hindsight you'll struggle to make us a much stronger team.
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In the last 3 windows he spent around 50m.


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Perhaps but he's still recouped more than he spend and as Sami even went on a free there were an even larger gap to fill.

You can neglect it all you want, anyone with half a brain knows it'll be difficult to compete with the best when you have to earn on your transfers - which has been the case ever since we sold Keane back to Spurs.

I'm not saying Rafa hasn't somehow cornered himself and made mistakes - but no-one would've improved us massively in the same period of time. How could they with the complete lack of backing?

 

[Farkmaster]

Look, I get why he'd leave, given the uncertainty, his failures this year, a chance to start anew. And I think it's a great point that it's difficult to compare, as there wasn't great demand for Houllier. It's a tough situation all around.

It's the way he uses the press that bothers me, because it damages the club. If he's doing it for the greater good, that's one thing, if he's constantly doing it to get his way that's another.

 

[doctor_mac]

[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=38644.msg1097156#msg1097156 date=1272707750]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38644.msg1097154#msg1097154 date=1272707506]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=38644.msg1097144#msg1097144 date=1272706945]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38644.msg1097142#msg1097142 date=1272706848]
If he was looking out for himself, wouldn't he wait until he got sacked?
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You don't think Juve are pressuring him to make a decision? If he delays too long, he risks losing that opportunity. Plus he knows perfectly well that Liverpool can't afford to sack him.


[/quote]

With the distinct possibility of new owners coming in over the next 2 months, i would of thought Rafa being a "sneaky, selfish cunt" (in your bitter eyes anyway), he'd of stayed on looking for some of that £16m.

As you've allready stated, he's still highly regarded as a manager, so finding another top job shouldn't take him long even if he misses out on the Juve post.
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I'm not suggesting money is his only motivation. The clean slate and big transfer fund at Juve must be very appealing. He can get his career back on track there after staining his reputation a bit this season.

I'm also pretty sure his agent is trying to persuade Juve to give him a big signing-on fee in compensation for the £16m he'll miss out on by resigning.

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But he's not 'missing out' on 16m. The 16m is what he would receive over the length of his contract and he'll earn a similar amount over that period in Turin. If he doesn't resign and we don't fire him he doesn't get 16m. I doubt very much he expects Turin to compensate him for something that he's no right to.

 

[Halmeister]

[quote author=KHL link=topic=38644.msg1097226#msg1097226 date=1272719982]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=38644.msg1097153#msg1097153 date=1272707454]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=38644.msg1097152#msg1097152 date=1272707330]
I'm as fed up with some of Rafa's decisions now and then as the next man but believe me no-one would've made great progress over the past 1½ year having to cash in £12M on players instead of actully getting the backing to improve.

You can all try to convince yourself it had been much better with someone else at the helm but it hadn't. Money rules and as Rafa hasn't had any to spend from in the past three windows it's been an uphill task.

I've asked the question before and will do it again:

Which players would you've bought last Summer on the given budget - loosing the likes of Alonso, Arbeloa and Sami? Even with the knowledge of hindsight you'll struggle to make us a much stronger team.
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In the last 3 windows he spent around 50m.


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Perhaps but he's still recouped more than he spend and as Sami even went on a free there were an even larger gap to fill.

You can neglect it all you want, anyone with half a brain knows it'll be difficult to compete with the best when you have to earn on your transfers - which has been the case ever since we sold Keane back to Spurs.

I'm not saying Rafa hasn't somehow cornered himself and made mistakes - but no-one would've improved us massively in the same period of time. How could they with the complete lack of backing?
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I agree to a certain extent that he hasn't been backed, and certainly not as much as he or us as fans would have liked. But let's go back to the summer of 2008. He didn't have to waste £20 million on Keane in the first place, or £8 million on Dossena. Or fuck Alonso about to the point he was offering him to Galatasaray for fucking £12 million, thus leaving one of our better players deciding to go elsewhere at the end of the season. Fast forward to summer 2009, Alonso has gone (Benitez played a massive part in this) and he decides to spend £20 million on Aquilani - a midfielder who can't play for the first 3 months or whatever. He also signs a right back for £18 million which isn't something you should do when you're low on cash. I like Aquilani and Johnson both as players, but they're not the best of signings.

It winds me up, not so much you KHL because this is the first time I've noticed you say it, when people say he hasn't been backed and needs more money. The fact is he's spent £70 plus million (gross but whatever, he still had the money to spend) in the last two transfer windows and got it largely wrong. That's not the owners fault.

 

[Halmeister]

Another point I'd like to add to my post - We've seen Man Utd having to cut back on signings and they spent virtually nothing when you factor in the transfer of Ronaldo, much like us with transfers of Keane and Alonso leaving us with virtually no net spend. But Man Utd have coped because they've got a squad capable of coping with the loss and have since signed Valencia, a decent replacement, and have adapted their approach.

Our squad is still as thin as it was when Benitez took over 6 years ago. Cut backs were inevitable, and over 5 years he should have improved the squad to cope with the departure of Alonso, (it's not even as if we had to sell our best player like the Mancs did) but he never. He signed a revolving door largely of dross. His transfer policy over 6 years has been abysmal and leaves us with the squad we have now.

 

[keniget]

I wouldn't say his transfer policy over the last six years as been abysmal - for the first four it was flawed, but arguments of incremental improvements could at least hold their own. It's these last two years that have cost him dearly. Mainly the summer of 2008.

 

[Halmeister]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=38644.msg1097316#msg1097316 date=1272737733]
I wouldn't say his transfer policy over the last six years as been abysmal - for the first four it was flawed, but arguments of incremental improvements could at least hold their own. It's these last two years that have cost him dearly. Mainly the summer of 2008.
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Yeh I suppose. But the incremental improvement is irrelevant unless it leads to an ultimate larger improvement in the end. It's gotten worse, and you can't say the squad is better now than when he took over. You could even argue it's worse.

 

[the count]

Juve wont be in the Champions league next season either after a 1-1 draw this afternoon.
I wonder will that make them a little less attractive for Rafa?

I still think he may still be waiting for a phone call from Real.

 

[Terrier]

[quote author=the count link=topic=38644.msg1097984#msg1097984 date=1272813503]
Juve wont be in the Champions league next season either after a 1-1 draw this afternoon.
I wonder will that make them a little less attractive for Rafa?

I still think he may still be waiting for a phone call from Real.
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We'll meet him again in the UEFA cup then eh?

 

[Oncy]

Jonathan Green on match of the day just matter of factly said 'This is probably his (Rafas) last game in charge at Liverpool'

 

[reuque]

You mean he'll be off before Hull?

 

[Oncy]

No mate. Home game.

 

[LarryHagman]

This separation is going to get ugly and drag the club through the papers for months.

 

[Holle]

According to tuttosport.com Juve's interest in Rafa is slowly getting weaker.

The new board (Andrea Agnelli will be elected as president on May 17 and will take over together with Beppe Marotta) seem to be looking elsewhere since Rafa did not express his intensions himself and the price of the whole poject scares them off. Rafa will also want to bring his staff in and this would exceed the calculated costs of €30 million. Juve are currently monitoring the situations of Prandelli, Mancini, Allegri and Spalletti.

 

[Jürgen4PM]

Trying to force his hand?

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38644.msg1098750#msg1098750 date=1272967487]
Trying to force his hand?
[/quote]My first thought.

 

[Jürgen4PM]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38644.msg1098754#msg1098754 date=1272967612]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38644.msg1098750#msg1098750 date=1272967487]
Trying to force his hand?
[/quote]My first thought.
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It seems the obvious reason mate.

At least this will be resolved sooner rather than later i guess.

 

[Squiggles]

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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38644.msg1098750#msg1098750 date=1272967487]
Trying to force his hand?
[/quote]My first thought.
[/quote]We should ban this site in Italy somehow. Or speak in a scm language - just to be sure.

 

[Oncy]

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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38644.msg1098754#msg1098754 date=1272967612]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38644.msg1098750#msg1098750 date=1272967487]
Trying to force his hand?
[/quote]My first thought.
[/quote]We should ban this site in Italy somehow. Or speak in a scm language - just to be sure.
[/quote]Ha. If I scuppered the deal I'd be fucking mortified.

 

[Jürgen4PM]

RAFA IS SHITE, I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THOSE MUGGY ITALIANS WANT HIM!

 

[LadyRed]

His departure can't come soon enough as far as I'm concerned. The only thing that's kept me going* is the thought of wholesale changes over the summer, but in the back of my mind that little voice is always there with that haunting thought that Rafa might still be here next season.

*just in relation to football, like, not just generally with life.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38644.msg1098759#msg1098759 date=1272968150]
RAFA IS SHITE, I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THOSE MUGGY ITALIANS WANT HIM!
[/quote]You utter shitehawk! Rafa is the fucking man! He'll lead us to the promised land!

 

[Jürgen4PM]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38644.msg1098761#msg1098761 date=1272968255]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38644.msg1098759#msg1098759 date=1272968150]
RAFA IS SHITE, I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THOSE MUGGY ITALIANS WANT HIM!
[/quote]You utter shitehawk! Rafa is the fucking man! He'll lead us to the promised land!
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I would carry this on, but i felt quite dirty after typing that earlier post.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38644.msg1098762#msg1098762 date=1272968706]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38644.msg1098761#msg1098761 date=1272968255]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38644.msg1098759#msg1098759 date=1272968150]
RAFA IS SHITE, I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THOSE MUGGY ITALIANS WANT HIM!
[/quote]You utter shitehawk! Rafa is the fucking man! He'll lead us to the promised land!
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I would carry this on, but i felt quite dirty after typing that earlier post.
[/quote]Ditto. I threw up in my mouth a little bit.

 

[Jürgen4PM]

If Liverpool prove ambition then Rafael Benítez will stay, insists agent
Agencies guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 4 May 2010

Rafael Benitez will stay at Liverpool if the club promises money for transfers, says his agent.

Rafael Benítez's agent has insisted his client wants to stay at Liverpool next season – but that his decision will be based on the club's plans for investment this summer.

Manuel Garcia Quilon said Benítez, a target for Juventus, was feeling positive ahead of talks with Liverpool chairman Martin Broughton to discuss his future at Anfield.

"He has a meeting with the chairman this week, and from what I can say Rafael Benítez wants to continue at Liverpool," Quilon told Goal.com.

"Benítez needs to know what the plans are for the future. For the investment into players at the club. That is going to be important."

Reports had claimed Quilon had already held talks with Juventus chairman Andrea Agnelli over a deal for Benítez, agreeing a four-year deal worth £16m a year, but the agent denied any such meeting.

"I have not made any agreement with Juventus," Quilon stated. "He has four years left of his contract [with Liverpool]. If there is going to be any change then that is something you had better ask him directly."

 

[TheBunnyman]

Nooooooo! Please take the fucking hint Rafa.

 

[Buddha]

Rafa staying might at least be a sign that he's privy to new owners taking over and providing him with a sizeable transfer kitty.

He won't be staying if there's not money to spend, that's clear.

 

[manwithnoname]

[quote author=Buddha link=topic=38644.msg1098791#msg1098791 date=1272971966]

Rafa staying might at least be a sign that he's privy to new owners taking over and providing him with a sizeable transfer kitty.

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Hasn't he been told that a few times now, only for nothing to materialise?

You can castigate Benitez for many, many things, but one can only sympathise with the amount of times the goalposts have moved, and investment promises broken.