RAFA ON OFFERS, FAN FRUSTRATION AND MORE

[the count]

[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=37486.msg1000219#msg1000219 date=1259337122]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37486.msg1000216#msg1000216 date=1259337005]
Not sure what you expected Lech?

'I've made several fuck-ups, I'm useless, I will struggle to ever get another job in football, Lucas is a cunt I admit it'?
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Haha, I didnt expect anything else ;D
He just sounds like a broken record.
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Pot and Kettle

 

[Le Chacal]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37486.msg1000251#msg1000251 date=1259338387]

This Liverpool team would beat that Liverpool team 4-0.

Traore. Cisse. Biscan. Etc...

Which Liverpool team? The one that's already been spanked by lyon, sunderland, fulham, villa, spurs, fiorentina et al?
[/quote]
Beat me to it.
Id add with Lucas, Insua, N'Gog...

 

[Asbo]

Spanked? the only team listed that was 'really' better than us on the night/day was Flo, the rest had beachballs sendings off's and the luck of the Gods

 

[Whaddapie]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37486.msg1000251#msg1000251 date=1259338387]

This Liverpool team would beat that Liverpool team 4-0.

Traore. Cisse. Biscan. Etc...

Which Liverpool team? The one that's already been spanked by lyon, sunderland, fulham, villa, spurs, fiorentina et al?
[/quote]

Yep.

 

[Whaddapie]

[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=37486.msg1000253#msg1000253 date=1259338467]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37486.msg1000251#msg1000251 date=1259338387]

This Liverpool team would beat that Liverpool team 4-0.

Traore. Cisse. Biscan. Etc...

Which Liverpool team? The one that's already been spanked by lyon, sunderland, fulham, villa, spurs, fiorentina et al?
[/quote]
Beat me to it.
Id add with Lucas, Insua, N'Gog...
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Actually, you should be adding Reina, Mascherano, Johnson and Torres.

 

[Richey]

[quote author=Asbo link=topic=37486.msg1000254#msg1000254 date=1259338475]
Spanked? the only team listed that was 'really' better than us on the night/day was Flo, the rest had beachballs sendings off's and the luck of the Gods
[/quote]

The bad luck thing only works for so long really I'm afraid.

 

[manwithnoname]

[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=37486.msg1000255#msg1000255 date=1259338494]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37486.msg1000251#msg1000251 date=1259338387]

This Liverpool team would beat that Liverpool team 4-0.

Traore. Cisse. Biscan. Etc...

Which Liverpool team? The one that's already been spanked by lyon, sunderland, fulham, villa, spurs, fiorentina et al?
[/quote]

Yep.
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Bollocks. The way we're playing right now, and with the personnel on the pitch, we'd struggle to beat a Souness Liverpool side.

We're shit. Really, really shit.

The only hope we have is Torres and Gerrard getting and staying fit. Purple Aqui replacing Lucarse, and finding someone to play LB who isn't utterly fucking hopeless.

That plus Carra and co sorting themselves out.

The team who played against Debrecen would get fucking humped by Houllier's lot.

 

[manwithnoname]

[quote author=Asbo link=topic=37486.msg1000254#msg1000254 date=1259338475]
Spanked? the only team listed that was 'really' better than us on the night/day was Flo, the rest had beachballs sendings off's and the luck of the Gods
[/quote]

Horsehit.

Spurs, Villa, Chelsea, and Fiorentina played us off the park

 

[Whaddapie]

I suspect most of you are just looking for a debate this fine morning, as opposed to really feeling that team could compare to this one, when everybody is fit...

Remember THAT league campaign? 33 points back, humiliating losses, etc... THIS team is basically two ridiculous home draws away from being reigning champions.

Pick a team from the players start made up both sides - THAT team might have three players on it.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

We are really shit at the moment, down to a multitude of reasons. But a fit version of our team now, would beat any of Houlliers teams 9 times out of 10.

 

[manwithnoname]

[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=37486.msg1000263#msg1000263 date=1259338790]
I suspect most of you are just looking for a debate this fine morning, as opposed to really feeling that team could compare to this one, when everybody is fit...

Remember THAT league campaign? 33 points back, humiliating losses, etc... THIS team is basically two ridiculous home draws away from being reigning champions.

Pick a team from the players start made up both sides - THAT team might have three players on it.
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Say what now?

 

[Whaddapie]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37486.msg1000261#msg1000261 date=1259338727]
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=37486.msg1000254#msg1000254 date=1259338475]
Spanked? the only team listed that was 'really' better than us on the night/day was Flo, the rest had beachballs sendings off's and the luck of the Gods
[/quote]

Horsehit.

Spurs, Villa, Chelsea, and Fiorentina played us off the park
[/quote]

Neither Chelsea nor Villa "played us off the park".

 

[manwithnoname]

Here's a few players who started against Debrecen wouldn't have got anywhere near Houllier's side:

Lucarse
Skittles
Insewer
Eggnog

Admittedly, our strongest first XI would win, but we haven't ever seen it, have no idea what Purple is like, and even then we still have a gaping hole down the left hand side.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=37486.msg1000229#msg1000229 date=1259337573]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=37486.msg1000226#msg1000226 date=1259337421]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=37486.msg1000220#msg1000220 date=1259337188]
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=37486.msg1000218#msg1000218 date=1259337099]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=37486.msg1000209#msg1000209 date=1259336702]

We're not improving, we're going backwards. And very badly so.

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This is incorrect. If you look at it scientifically and plot how good the team is from 2004 to now you'll see at this moment in time it's only a blip.
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To be honest, Im not sure at all the current team is better than the one from 2004
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Fuck me, thats poor, even by your standards.
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Im not really bothered right now, but have a look at the league table after13 games in 2004.
Im pretty confident we were not far worse than 7th,
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You're wrong, we were in 8th.

http://www.statto.com/football/teams/liverpool/2004-2005/results

 

[Whaddapie]

Reina

Johnson
Carra
HYYPIA
Aurellio

Kuyt
ALONSO
DIDI / Mascher
GARCIA / Riera

Stevie

Torres

Three or four of the 2005 team makes the 2009 team. When everybody's fit, this year's team spanks that team 8 ot 9 times out of 10 games.

 

[manwithnoname]

[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=37486.msg1000269#msg1000269 date=1259338868]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37486.msg1000261#msg1000261 date=1259338727]
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=37486.msg1000254#msg1000254 date=1259338475]
Spanked? the only team listed that was 'really' better than us on the night/day was Flo, the rest had beachballs sendings off's and the luck of the Gods
[/quote]

Horsehit.

Spurs, Villa, Chelsea, and Fiorentina played us off the park
[/quote]

Neither Chelsea nor Villa "played us off the park".
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No, fair point, against Villa we "controlled the game" and lost 3-1. At Anfield

At Chelsea we had zero chances and lost 2-0

I forgot Fulham. They pissed on us from a great height, too. As did Fiorentina and Spurs. And Sunderland, who should have had a hatful.

We've been dog-shit this season, and nobody can really argue that fact, which is adequately reflected in the fact that we are ONE CUNTING POINT ahead of Stoke, and have been booted out of Europe in one of the weakest groups.

 

[Whaddapie]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37486.msg1000273#msg1000273 date=1259339036]
Here's a few players who started against Debrecen wouldn't have got anywhere near Houllier's side:

Lucarse
Skittles
Insewer
Eggnog

Admittedly, our strongest first XI would win, but we haven't ever seen it, have no idea what Purple is like, and even then we still have a gaping hole down the left hand side.

[/quote]

Brendan,

You remember just how horrible many of that team was - Dudek (other than the final was awful much of the season), Traore, Biscan, Gonzalez, Kewell, Cisse, Baros, etc...

 

[manwithnoname]

[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=37486.msg1000276#msg1000276 date=1259339170]
Reina

Johnson
Carra
HYYPIA
Aurellio

Kuyt
ALONSO
DIDI / Mascher
GARCIA / Riera

Stevie

Torres

Three or four of the 2005 team makes the 2009 team. When everybody's fit, this year's team spanks that team 8 ot 9 times out of 10 games.

[/quote]

Riise is a better defender than Aurelio. By a fucking mile.

 

[manwithnoname]

Brendan,

You remember just how horrible many of that team was - Dudek (other than the final was awful much of the season), Traore, Biscan, Gonzalez, Kewell, Cisse, Baros, etc...

Gonzalez? Hmmm. Nice one.

 

[Whaddapie]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37486.msg1000278#msg1000278 date=1259339224]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=37486.msg1000269#msg1000269 date=1259338868]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37486.msg1000261#msg1000261 date=1259338727]
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=37486.msg1000254#msg1000254 date=1259338475]
Spanked? the only team listed that was 'really' better than us on the night/day was Flo, the rest had beachballs sendings off's and the luck of the Gods
[/quote]

Horsehit.

Spurs, Villa, Chelsea, and Fiorentina played us off the park
[/quote]

Neither Chelsea nor Villa "played us off the park".
[/quote]

No, fair point, against Villa we "controlled the game" and lost 3-1. At Anfield

At Chelsea we had zero chances and lost 2-0

I forgot Fulham. They pissed on us from a great height, too. As did Fiorentina and Spurs. And Sunderland, who should have had a hatful.

We've been dog-shit this season, and nobody can really argue that fact, which is adequately reflected in the fact that we are ONE CUNTING POINT ahead of Stoke, and have been booted out of Europe in one of the weakest groups.
[/quote]

I'm not arguing you about the other matches. Neither Chelsea nor Villa "played us off the park", like you claim. Fact.

 

[Le Chacal]

[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=37486.msg1000275#msg1000275 date=1259339105]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=37486.msg1000229#msg1000229 date=1259337573]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=37486.msg1000226#msg1000226 date=1259337421]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=37486.msg1000220#msg1000220 date=1259337188]
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=37486.msg1000218#msg1000218 date=1259337099]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=37486.msg1000209#msg1000209 date=1259336702]

We're not improving, we're going backwards. And very badly so.

[/quote]

This is incorrect. If you look at it scientifically and plot how good the team is from 2004 to now you'll see at this moment in time it's only a blip.
[/quote]
To be honest, Im not sure at all the current team is better than the one from 2004
[/quote]

Fuck me, thats poor, even by your standards.
[/quote]
Im not really bothered right now, but have a look at the league table after13 games in 2004.
Im pretty confident we were not far worse than 7th,
[/quote]

You're wrong, we were in 8th.

http://www.statto.com/football/teams/liverpool/2004-2005/results
[/quote]
Thats not "far worse" esp. considering we also got 20 points.
I'm right. Thanks

 

[Whaddapie]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37486.msg1000282#msg1000282 date=1259339307]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=37486.msg1000276#msg1000276 date=1259339170]
Reina

Johnson
Carra
HYYPIA
Aurellio

Kuyt
ALONSO
DIDI / Mascher
GARCIA / Riera

Stevie

Torres

Three or four of the 2005 team makes the 2009 team. When everybody's fit, this year's team spanks that team 8 ot 9 times out of 10 games.

[/quote]

Riise is a better defender than Aurelio. By a fucking mile.
[/quote]

He's better at attacking, without question. His defending was comical at times.

 

[Whaddapie]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37486.msg1000283#msg1000283 date=1259339363]

Brendan,

You remember just how horrible many of that team was - Dudek (other than the final was awful much of the season), Traore, Biscan, Gonzalez, Kewell, Cisse, Baros, etc...

Gonzalez? Hmmm. Nice one.
[/quote]

Sorry, Nunez. And Le Tallec.

 

[Delinquent]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37486.msg1000261#msg1000261 date=1259338727]
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=37486.msg1000254#msg1000254 date=1259338475]
Spanked? the only team listed that was 'really' better than us on the night/day was Flo, the rest had beachballs sendings off's and the luck of the Gods
[/quote]

Horsehit.

Spurs, Villa, Chelsea, and Fiorentina played us off the park
[/quote]

The beach ball incident shouldn't hide the fact that Sunderland did too.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=37486.msg1000286#msg1000286 date=1259339404]
Thats not "far worse" esp. considering we also got 20 points.
I'm right. Thanks
[/quote]

So in our worst run of form, we're doing at least as well as the team Rafa inherited. We get out of this run of form, wnd you'll happily admit the team is better now? Right?

Actually not sure why I'm bothering...

 

[Whaddapie]

[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=37486.msg1000293#msg1000293 date=1259339523]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37486.msg1000261#msg1000261 date=1259338727]
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=37486.msg1000254#msg1000254 date=1259338475]
Spanked? the only team listed that was 'really' better than us on the night/day was Flo, the rest had beachballs sendings off's and the luck of the Gods
[/quote]

Horsehit.

Spurs, Villa, Chelsea, and Fiorentina played us off the park
[/quote]

The beach ball incident shouldn't hide the fact that Sunderland did too.
[/quote]

They did, for sure. My argument isn't that this team is brilliant. It's that THAT team was gash.

 

[manwithnoname]

[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=37486.msg1000288#msg1000288 date=1259339483]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37486.msg1000283#msg1000283 date=1259339363]

Brendan,

You remember just how horrible many of that team was - Dudek (other than the final was awful much of the season), Traore, Biscan, Gonzalez, Kewell, Cisse, Baros, etc...

Gonzalez? Hmmm. Nice one.
[/quote]

Sorry, Nunez.
[/quote]

Oh fucking dear

 

[Red Mullet]

[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=37486.msg1000295#msg1000295 date=1259339593]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=37486.msg1000286#msg1000286 date=1259339404]
Thats not "far worse" esp. considering we also got 20 points.
I'm right. Thanks
[/quote]

So in our worst run of form, we're doing at least as well as the team Rafa inherited. We get out of this run of form, wnd you'll happily admit the team is better now? Right?

Actually not sure why I'm bothering...
[/quote]

Exactly.

 

[Delinquent]

I'm not of the opinion that we've suddenly regressed some six years in one autumn but our defence looks absolutely horrific at the moment. That's one thing we never had to worry about under Houllier.

And no, I don't really know what point I'm trying to make.

 

[Le Chacal]

[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=37486.msg1000295#msg1000295 date=1259339593]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=37486.msg1000286#msg1000286 date=1259339404]
Thats not "far worse" esp. considering we also got 20 points.
I'm right. Thanks
[/quote]

So in our worst run of form, we're doing at least as well as the team Rafa inherited. We get out of this run of form, wnd you'll happily admit the team is better now? Right?

Actually not sure why I'm bothering...
[/quote]
We havent improved.
TRUFAX.