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Rafa Ice Cold with Alex.

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It's a bit poor that no journalist has bothered to analyse the role of the LMA even slightly. Look at them:

Ginsoak +

Sam Allardyce
Dave Bassett
Alan Curbishley
Brian Flynn
Steve Parkin
David Pleat
Lawrie Sanchez
John Ward
David Moyes

Hardly well-balanced! What happens? Ginsoak walks in, accepts presents from each one of the others, announces what the committee will do and then takes them for dinner somewhere nice? Laughable! And isn't it a bit odd that, in an era when so many of the top managers are foreign, this is an all-British committee? No wonder Houllier used to distrust them so much. If I was Benitez, Wenger or any other foreign manager I'd feel pretty suspicious.
 
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What the fuck are Dave Bassett, David Pleat, Lawrie Sanchez and John Ward doing there?

Are they even in a job now?

And they have a President AND a Chairman?

Hahahah!




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President is an honorary position given to the current England manager.
 
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33576.msg870388#msg870388 date=1242728962]
It's a bit poor that no journalist has bothered to analyse the role of the LMA even slightly. Look at them:

Ginsoak +

Sam Allardyce
Dave Bassett
Alan Curbishley
Brian Flynn
Steve Parkin
David Pleat
Lawrie Sanchez
John Ward 
David Moyes

Hardly well-balanced! What happens? Ginsoak walks in, accepts presents from each one of the others, announces what the committee will do and then takes them for dinner somewhere nice? Laughable! And isn't it a bit odd that, in an era when so many of the top managers are foreign, this is an all-British committee? No wonder Houllier used to distrust them so much. If I was Benitez, Wenger or any other foreign manager I'd feel pretty suspicious.
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It was the LMA that Rafa specifically complained about earlier in the season.  Anyone who reckons Rafa should have kept this business to himself needs to ask himself whether he/she REALLY wants this conspiracy of silence and weakness to continue unchecked.
 
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33576.msg869829#msg869829 date=1242664271]
The way some of you quack on, you'd think nobody had ever threatened Ferguson, or treated his 'mind games' with disdain, before Magnificent Mind Game Master Benitez came along

Jose Mourinho

Took him on, cowed him utterly, won back to back titles, laughed at his cod-psychological tactics, beat him into submission
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Yes, calling him 'the master' and 'my friend' and promising him many bottles of wine. It was daring. It was unorthodox. It was anal-licking-tastic.
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Ha
 
If I understand what GKMacca says we lost the title because of a conspiracy...

Im saying Rafa lost us the title.
 
I wish there was a button to click on for "Punch Le Chacal in the Face"
 
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If I understand what GKMacca says we lost the title because of a conspiracy...

Im saying Rafa lost us the title.
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Macca's certainly saying there's a prima facie case for the existence of a conspiracy, but he's said bugger all about losing the title because of it. There's no question Rafa's made mistakes this season, but your one-eyed monomania on the subject could drive even Ferguson to a degree of sympathy with him.
 
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I wish there was a button to click on for "Punch Le Chacal in the Face"
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Give me a break obsessed weirdo.
 
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[quote author=St.Benitez link=topic=33576.msg870460#msg870460 date=1242737229]
I wish there was a button to click on for "Punch Le Chacal in the Face"
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Give me a break obsessed weirdo.
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You should enjoy your stalker before he psychologically implodes completely.
 
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[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=33576.msg870452#msg870452 date=1242736836]
If I understand what GKMacca says we lost the title because of a conspiracy...

Im saying Rafa lost us the title.
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Macca's certainly saying there's a prima facie case for the existence of a conspiracy, but he's said bugger all about losing the title because of it. There's no question Rafa's made mistakes this season, but your one-eyed monomania on the subject could drive even Ferguson to a degree of sympathy with him.
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I have no sympathy with Ginsoak at all but he's the best manager in the league by far.
We lost the title on the field. Rafa lost it with his cautious philosophy in december-January.
No need for this paranoid conspiracy theories.
 
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It was the LMA that Rafa specifically complained about earlier in the season.

What was this about JJ?
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It was in his so-called "rant", the clear implication being "and f'ck all got done" because he also talked about "perhaps we should just let Mr.Ferguson tell us when the fixtures should be" etc.
 
Rafa4pm is very rapidly turning into one of 6cm's legendary laughable mentalists, like Glock, or Headwand.

It's quite impressive how mental he is these days
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33576.msg870475#msg870475 date=1242738209]
Rafa4pm is very rapidly turning into one of 6cm's legendary laughable mentalists, like Glock, or Headwand.

It's quite impressive how mental he is these days
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Is he St. Benitez too?
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=33576.msg870462#msg870462 date=1242737605]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=33576.msg870452#msg870452 date=1242736836]
If I understand what GKMacca says we lost the title because of a conspiracy...

Im saying Rafa lost us the title.
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Macca's certainly saying there's a prima facie case for the existence of a conspiracy, but he's said bugger all about losing the title because of it.  There's no question Rafa's made mistakes this season, but your one-eyed monomania on the subject could drive even Ferguson to a degree of sympathy with him.
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I have no sympathy with Ginsoak at all but he's the best manager in the league by far.
We lost the title on the field. Rafa lost it with his cautious philosophy in december-January.
No need for this paranoid conspiracy theories.
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You're the only one parroting on about "paranoid conspiracies" here.  Which bit of "Macca said bugger all about losing the title because of it" don't you understand?

As for mistakes, every manager makes them.  From within your anti-Rafa blinkers you clearly want to deny that things like (e.g.) the fact that Torres and Gerrard have been either unfit or absent for a large part of the season would also have played a major role.  Just don't expect the rational 99% of the human race to follow you.
 
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If I understand what GKMacca says we lost the title because of a conspiracy...

Im saying Rafa lost us the title.
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I'm genuinely bemused by this. I didn't mean anything of the sort. As Jules kindly pointed out, I was making a much broader and longer-term point about how one manager has been allowed to be, to put it politely, primus inter pares.
 
Fair enough, but at the end of the day it still implies we lost on the field because of this off the field stories.
And I completely disagree with that. It was the Yanks last year and this season its Ferguson or his contract. Bollocks.
The talk is on the pitch and the pitch is Rafa's business.
Nobody else but Rafa lost us the title this season. I hope he learnt his lesson. No more outbursts, no more excuses.
He has to win it next season.
 
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=33576.msg870494#msg870494 date=1242740147]
Fair enough, but at the end of the day it still implies we lost on the field because of this off the field stories.
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No it doesn't!
 
[quote author=St.Benitez link=topic=33576.msg870460#msg870460 date=1242737229]
I wish there was a button to click on for "Punch Le Chacal in the Face"
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Haha

I'm glad those buttons are yet to be introduced. It would lay the site dead in a matter of minutes in a punch-spree galore.
 
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[quote author=St.Benitez link=topic=33576.msg870460#msg870460 date=1242737229]
I wish there was a button to click on for "Punch Le Chacal in the Face"
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Haha

I'm glad those buttons are yet to be introduced. It would lay the site dead in a matter of minutes in a punch-spree galore.
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Maybe some will be aimed at you when your on an Agger-fest.
 
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[quote author=St.Benitez link=topic=33576.msg870460#msg870460 date=1242737229]
I wish there was a button to click on for "Punch Le Chacal in the Face"
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Haha

I'm glad those buttons are yet to be introduced. It would lay the site dead in a matter of minutes in a punch-spree galore.
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Maybe some will be aimed at you when your on an Agger-fest.
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I don't doubt that one bit.

You, on the other hand, would stay well clear.






*presses imaginary button*
 
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[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=33576.msg870494#msg870494 date=1242740147]
Fair enough, but at the end of the day it still implies we lost on the field because of this off the field stories.
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No it doesn't!
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Hey macca, we should apply to store our nuclear waste inside this guy's head.  I can't think of any other natural structure which lets so little in. Not even his bete noire Rafa is this stubborn.
 
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[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=33576.msg870494#msg870494 date=1242740147]
Fair enough, but at the end of the day it still implies we lost on the field because of this off the field stories.
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No it doesn't!
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Hey macca, we should apply to store our nuclear waste inside this guy's head. I can't think of any other natural structure which lets so little in. Not even his bete noire Rafa is this stubborn.
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Its facts
 
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Certainly not grammar.
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So whats this Feguson's conspiracy all about then?

I cant see anything but a justification for our failures on the pitch and the fact we won fuck all for 3 years.
 
Hi guys!!

I am new here..have been reading this thread.Found a brilliant article on this topic.Here it is :

April 22, 2009
Mind Games - Do They Actually Work?

Sir_alex_385_525496a

Throughout the past few months, we've gone from the "Rafa's cracking up" headlines, to the latest exchange in criticising Rafa's reaction to our second goal against Blackburn; all of which are apparently returns of serve in the wonderful art of mind games. Is this whole mind games thing a myth, or do they actually work?

I've read and heard that Alex Ferguson is apparently the master of the mind games; that's he's chewed and spat out managers over the years who've dared get into a war of words with him. Could it not just be that he happened to have the better team that year, rather than him winning the battle of the mind games?

Who has he actually defeated in a battle of mind games anyway? Kevin Keegan was the first high profile casualty, as he exploded with comical effect; but for me, he's the only one to feel the affect of the mind games war. The likes of Wenger and Mourinho have given as good as they've got, and have each won league titles over the past decade. The side that has won the title has generally been the best side in the country, not just the side with the manager who's the master of carefully chosen words.

Rafael Benitez spoke out at the turn of the year with his list of "facts" about Alex Ferguson. He was slaughtered for those words, not because they were untruths, but because of his sides failure to win their next few games. A 7 point lead at the top of the league was turned into a 7 point deficit in the blink of an eye. How that run of poor performances had anything to do with highlighting hypocrisies with Mr.Ferguson's behaviour and listing his bullying tactics I'll never know. Those points stand true today as they did back then. Since that "rant", Mr.Ferguson has done nothing to dismiss those claims and everything to reaffirm them. They weren't mind games; they were statements of fact.

The latest exchange from last weekend was laughable. The secret society that is the League Managers Association ganging up on a non-member in order to ridicule him; when all they have done is brought ridicule upon themselves. Every man and his dog has seen through the embarrassing attempt made to criticise Benitez, all while our manager maintained a dignified silence. A response that will have annoyed his aggressors more than any verbal retort.

Mr.Ferguson accused Benitez of "contempt" and "humiliation" of a fellow manger, citing his work for the LMA as a reason why he shouldn't be looked down on. This is the same Sam Allardyce that stated Rafael Benitez wouldn't be in a job if it wasn't for his European success and gave his "Johnny Englander" view on foreign managers. The same Sam Allardyce that thinks he's a far better manager than he actually is. The Newcastle side he left in ruins are now fighting for their lives, and his current side Blackburn have been dragged right into the dog fight at the bottom. The self proclaimed tactical genius played Samba up front at Anfield last week, with Steve Warnock in behind him. Two defenders up front and one of the worst sides I've seen at Anfield in years. Good work Sam.

Mr.Ferguson accused Benitez of contempt and criticised him for calling Everton a small club. Mr.Ferguson then follows that up with selecting a second string side for an FA Cup semi final against this "big club" called Everton. If that's not showing contempt for the FA Cup and showing contempt for Everton then what is? You can bet your last pound, that if United were playing a big club like ourselves, Arsenal or Chelsea, then there's no way on earth he'd have selected that side. Hypocritical seems to be his middle name.

The one thing Rafael Benitez has started this season, is the fight back against Alex Ferguson and his merry men. He's stood up to him and his bullying tactics. For far too long Alex Ferguson has held too much power over the FA, The Premier League, referees and other clubs in this country. By Benitez standing up to that, he's invited others to do the same.

One of the most influential press conferences this season was the one that followed our 4-1 win at Old Trafford.

While Alex Ferguson refused to face the cameras, and bizarrely stating United were the better side as he left mumbling obscenities, Rafael Benitez highlighted exactly how we'd beaten United. He detailed the tactics used and proved to everyone else that they are beatable if you have a go at them. No longer do you need to hide in the shadows and employ a damage limitation exercise; attack them and they will wobble.

A week later they went to Fulham and lost 2-0, with Roy Hodgson's side having a real go at them. Aston Villa went to Old Trafford and did the same, and were very unlucky not to win the game, never mind coming away with nothing. Porto went to the so called Theatre of Dreams and can count themselves unlucky not to have won the game. They are beatable, and Benitez let everyone know that.

If any of these mind games have had any effect, then the exchange of words following the 4-1 win at Old Trafford could be the most important. They are the words that actually influenced games; childish insults do not.

Mr.Ferguson's touchline antics at the failure to award his side a penalty at the weekend had all the hallmarks of a man under pressure. If any manager is cracking up, it's not the manager with the goatee beard.

Paul Jones
 
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Fair enough, but at the end of the day it still implies we lost on the field because of this off the field stories.
And I completely disagree with that. It was the Yanks last year and this season its Ferguson or his contract. Bollocks.
The talk is on the pitch and the pitch is Rafa's business.
Nobody else but Rafa lost us the title this season. I hope he learnt his lesson. No more outbursts, no more excuses.
He has to win it next season.
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You sound a little like your mortal enemy.

The fact is that Horsefucker has used a mixture of bullying and bribery with match officials, members of the FA and the media for over 20 years.

It obviously has had an impact, even if it's not a 'conspiracy' in the strict sense of the word.

Does that explain why we lost games?

No.

But it does help explain why the Scum hardly give away penalties, why they usually get decisions in their favour, and why they always get away with their players being unavailable for international duty due to injury whilst being miraculously fit for domestic fixtures 72 hours later.
 
Welcome King Kenny 88.

Read that piece at the time. Unfortunately, the fact that we lost the league means that the lazy press will always resort to the success of Fergie's mind games.

Rafa's rant will go down in the annals of crappy journalism as a reason for our league loss, BS or not.
 
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