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Quick question to the USA posse.

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Red Astaire

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I was loving the USA in this World Cup and was genuinely willing them on. To my mind tonights game against Belgium was a great game and probably the best of the tournament. Can any USA dwellers tell me how the WC has been received over there? Is there much interest? - The media here in the UK seem to think so but you never know. Cheers in advance. 🙂
 
People who have no idea are trying a bit too hard to care. It's kind of adorable.

I've explained the offside rule like 5 times this world cup.

No real complaints though.
 
Americans genuinely love sports. & I think with the advent of social media this World Cup has gotten a lot more attention. It also helps that ESPN coverage is so expansive, including online streaming. It will die down afterwards but people are definitely more interested in the World Cup than I've ever seen it.
 
I've got my entire office riveted to this WC. So much more interest this time round than in 2010, and then there was more than in 2006.
It's getting better every year. I think this also proved that the standard of the MLS is better than everyone thought. . .
 
A lot more interest as far as I can tell. The last 2 games, my company basically shut down and had food and drinks in the big conference room.

It's getting annoying listen to people try and brag of their knowledge, but whatever it;s all fun.
 
With NBC having the PL it's definitely moved up a groove.

Workplaces stop, and I had to run to my daughters school during the Germany game - there was no traffic!!

Everyone is more into it, but that said its nothing like Ireland or other countries and the total fever that descends. In other countries it's a 12 day long party. Here it's more of a 2 hour time out. But that's progress.

And there's huge amount of Americans down there.

But yes, people are paying attention more
 
In some of the "ethnic" neighborhoods in NY it's total craziness. My friend posed a video from Astoria after the Columbia game – it looked like it was Bogota and not NY.
 
In some of the "ethnic" neighborhoods in NY it's total craziness. My friend posed a video from Astoria after the Columbia game – it looked like it was Bogota and not NY.


I imagine the Bosnian communities in St. Louis were something else.
 
As long as their rising popularity doesn't lead them to trying to take control of the sport I'm all for it. They did themselves proud, kudos Jürgen, if only our nation had an iota of their team ethic, pride and passion.
 
England/United Kingdom needs a world cup, we would put on an amazing tournament. I'd imagine we'd be flooded with yanks if we held it as well.
 
Soldier Field(Chicago Bears) last night:
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AT&T Stadium(Dallas Cowboys) last night:
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Seeing as a lot of those attending would have to take the afternoon off work, it looks like the interest is increasing.
 
I remember in the states driving past a school and there was a group of lads playing football. They were mostly African American and the guy I was with shouted "we've got black kids playing soccer, we're gonna win the world cup!"
 
Beckham is going to make an absolute fortune out of that Miami franchise, isn't he?

Talk about a growth industry.
 
It is definitely growing in interest even compared to the 2006 and 2010 World Cups.

Most are just World Cup band wagoners though who won't even bother to watch the USMNT outside of the World Cup. Big games in the Gold Cup and Copa America in a few years will barely register as a blip on the radar.

For example, one of my mates who doesn't really watch football bought a US shirt this year just before the WC started and has been watching all of the games with me and the rest of my football watching mates. I had a fun argument with him after the game last night when he mentioned that Altidore "didn't do anything all game" and I had to repeatedly tell him that he didn't do anything...because he didn't play.

😀
 
The US has a population of 325m with a huge contingent of South Americans. So why is there such a void of exceptional talent (they have plenty of average players) in the US Soccer Team?

if I was head of MLS I would starting a recruiting drive of South American talent 1st in the US borders followed by directly going to place like Columbia.
 
The US has a population of 325m with a huge contingent of South Americans. So why is there such a void of exceptional talent (they have plenty of average players) in the US Soccer Team?

if I was head of MLS I would starting a recruiting drive of South American talent 1st in the US borders followed by directly going to place like Columbia.
Central America isn't anywhere near as talented as South America.
 
Cheers all you America dwelling peeps. I was curious and my curiosity has been satisfied. If ever you want to find out anything about footy in the UK though probably best to ask someone else other than me. I know fuck all. If you are looking for a good recipe, the lowdown on new movies or the current state of the England cricket team though I'm your man 😉
 
I find that playing football is immensely popular in New York and surrounding areas. I could get a game 5-6 times a week and more if I actively looked!

Recently had an 18v18 game. Those bastards wouldn't listened to me and play two 9 v 9s.

The World Cup has been immensely popular where I am. Including TVs put up on most floors of my office with the game, so they don't suck up the internet juices streaming ESPN.

But real premier league and champions league followers are fewer, and farer between. But I know enough for it not to be a rarity to talk football with people. The Champions League event held by Heineken in NYC for the Munchen v Dortmund game was pretty spectacular.
 
The US has a population of 325m with a huge contingent of South Americans. So why is there such a void of exceptional talent (they have plenty of average players) in the US Soccer Team?

if I was head of MLS I would starting a recruiting drive of South American talent 1st in the US borders followed by directly going to place like Columbia.


No other country has so many other sports ahead in the pecking order. There's BB, BKB, HKY and the NFL. Kids sign up for these in their droves,

And it's 313m people 🙂

Just to take your point further, India and China, worlds most populous countries, close to 3bn people combined can't produce 11 decent players on a team. Madness really.
 
No other country has so many other sports ahead in the pecking order. There's BB, BKB, HKY and the NFL. Kids sign up for these in their droves,

And it's 313m people 🙂

Just to take your point further, India and China, worlds most populous countries, close to 3bn people combined can't produce 11 decent players on a team. Madness really.
What the fuck are those acronyms ? Do you seriously expect us to know ?!

Not madness when half of them are below the poverty line, have no water/sanitation on-site and live in mountainous areas !
"you go get the ball ... no you go I went last time, it took me an hour to climb back up again"

Or have you ever tried playing football in a paddy field ?
 
India and China, worlds most populous countries, close to 3bn people combined can't produce 11 decent players on a team. Madness really.


India may need to host a World Cup to get the ball rolling. On the other hand, China will probably be where Japan is in 20 years. (Since this is kind of a yank circlejerk anyway, perhaps this will be of interest re: player development in fledgling football nations.)

[article=http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2013/02/tom_byer_the_man_who_made_japanese_soccer_a_player_on_the_world_football.single.html]The Saga of Tomsan
How an American journeyman revolutionized Japanese soccer—and why it isn’t happening in the U.S.

By Brian Blickenstaff


In 2009, Zinedine Zidane, the legendary soccer player, participated in a coaching clinic in Ajinomoto Stadium in Tokyo, Japan. Children and parents filled the stands. The mood was jovial. Zidane was a once-in-a-generation sort of player, a kind of mad genius remembered today as much for his ball skills as for the infamous 2006 World Cup headbutt. The parents in attendance hoped some of those skills, like his signature pirouette (not the headbutt), would rub off on their children. But as Zidane and the gathered coaches began their lessons, something strange happened. The children in the audience began to chant. They weren’t chanting “Zidane,” although people occasionally shouted for his autograph. The children chanted “Tomsan,” the nickname of a 52-year-old retired player from upstate New York who never won a Champions League title, a World Cup Golden Ball, or a FIFA World Player of the Year award: Tom Byer.

Byer played briefly in Japan in the late 1980s, before retiring to work as a youth coach. Today, many in Japan see him as a major catalyst behind the country’s rising status as a global soccer power, responsible for increasing soccer’s popularity and teaching fundamental skills to hundreds of thousands of children, including many of the nation’s most celebrated players. In 1988, the year Byer hung up his cleats, the Japanese men’s and women’s national teams weren’t even successful regionally. In 2011, the Japanese men took home the Asian Cup for a record fourth time, and the Japanese women’s national team won its first World Cup title.

Although what Byer achieved is notable, how he did it is the fascinating part. He started off running a no-name, grass-roots soccer clinic and within a decade, he’d become a fixture in Japan’s most popular children’s comic book and a character in the country’s leading morning kids’ show. Tom Byer is the Mr. Rogers of Japanese soccer. There’s nothing in America like him, and as both the Japanese and American men’s squads prepare for World Cup qualifying matches next month*, it’s worth thinking about what the U.S. program could learn from Byer’s Japanese success.

Byer’s playing career started in 1983, the worst possible time for an aspiring American pro. The North American Soccer League was on the verge of collapse and MLS was more than a decade away. Things weren’t much better in Europe, where the sport, scandalized by hooligans, had begun a kind of low ebb, punctuated by a series of stadium disasters. But Byer’s short, nomadic career brought him to Japan, a country he fell in love with.

“Back in those days, if you were a good juggler of the soccer ball, you could entertain,” he said. So after retiring, he started a traveling youth soccer clinic based as much around his ability to “catch people’s eyes” with juggling tricks as his coaching chops. He didn’t speak much Japanese, and in order to set up gigs, he cold-called English-speaking institutions around Tokyo, like U.S. military bases and international schools.

In 1989, during a clinic at a Canadian school, Byer learned that one of his students, a young boy, was the son of a Nestlé employee. Byer needed outside funding to expand his business, and about a week after the clinic, out of ideas, he decided to take a chance and call the boy’s father. He scoured the phone book, and dialed what he guessed was the right number. To his relief, the boy answered. Byer asked to speak to the boy’s father but first asked what his dad did at Nestlé. The boy said, “He’s the president.” A week later, Byer signed an agreement with Nestlé to sponsor 50 clinics in a yearlong, nationwide tour. During each clinic, Byer had to give out samples of Milo, an Ovaltine-like chocolate drink, but it was a small price to pay for his first big break.

Although he now had financial backers (Nestlé sponsored him for the next 11 years), Byer did not consolidate his coaching philosophy until 1993, when he opened his first soccer school, which has since expanded to 100 campuses with roughly 20,000 pupils nationwide. That year, Paul Mariner, the former head coach of Toronto FC, introduced Byer to a technique-based approach to youth development called the “Coerver Method.” It changed the way Byer viewed coaching.

Created by Wiel Coerver, a Dutch coach, the method is a quasi-academic system based on specific skill acquisition. Rather than putting kids on a field and having them chase the ball around—which is how most young kids practice across the United States—it teaches close ball control and situational, one-on-one moves: stopovers, feints, various ways to manipulate the ball with the sole of the foot. Tactics and passing come later, once the kids master ball control.

In 1998, Japanese broadcasters seized upon the upcoming World Cup as the perfect moment to begin promoting the 2002 tournament, which would be held in Japan for the first time ever. Executives at Tokyo TV and ShoPro, a production company, added a two-minute soccer spot to Oha Suta, the top-rated children’s morning show, and they asked Byer to host. Suddenly, instead of standing in front of a few hundred young soccer players a couple times a week, Byer was teaching his skills in a green screen studio, backed by animated stadiums and fans. From 3 million to 5 million children saw him every single day.

At the same time, executives from the affiliated Shogakukan publishing company offered him a two-page panel in KoroKoro Komikku, Japan’s biggest children’s comic book. The United States has no equal to the cultural giant that is KoroKoro. The monthly comic book has an enormous circulation—Byer puts it at about 1.2 million (for comparison, in 1977, during its heyday, Mad magazine circulated 2,132,655 copies in the entire year, in a country that’s more than double the population of Japan) and a readership in the neighborhood of 3 million Japanese preteens. The magazine is hundreds of pages long and shares storylines with Japanese video games. It played a big role in transforming Kirby and Pokémon in to global media juggernauts.

“The comic book was to promote soccer, to inform people about the technical side, it was to highlight the stars and try to inspire and motivate kids,” Byer said.

It worked.

The print and TV programs were a kind of tag team that helped ignite excitement for soccer in Japanese culture. (According to a recent survey by NHK, a Japanese toymaker, soccer is now more popular among Japanese boys than baseball). Oha Suta aired every day, right before school, perfect for motivating playground training sessions. KoroKoro, meanwhile, put soccer practice on the same level as the country’s most esteemed cartoons and superheroes.

Today, Japanese pros in men’s and women’s soccer credit Oha Suta and KoroKoro as key parts of their soccer education. Keisuke Honda watched the show, and Byer worked with Tadanari Lee as a boy. Byer’s most famous disciple is Shinji Kagawa, a midfielder at Manchester United renowned for his technical ability. Last year, a profile of Kagawa in one of the team’s match-day programs name-checked Byer and referenced his show and the comic.

While praise from Kagawa and others is nice, Byer maintains that the production of top players is only a side effect of what he’s accomplished, which was to raise the baseline level of youth soccer in Japan. According to Byer, for a child to develop into an elite player, he or she must face constant challenges. Once a player becomes so dominant over her peers that she doesn’t need to really work, her development stops. Complacency is the enemy. Byer’s program succeeded in raising the play of the worst, providing more of a challenge to the best, and that has resulted in a deep pool of top professionals.

His secret, he says, “was to empower children to practice on their own.” Practicing alone sounds quite boring, but Japanese kids do just that. Perhaps there’s a cultural explanation here—it’s almost a cliché to note that the Japanese value a strong work ethic—but there’s another explanation too: Byer’s lessons build on-the-ball confidence, which is really the skill set needed to make soccer fun. Practicing alone might not be fun, but nutmegging your unsuspecting friend the next day at school sure is.

Close followers of U.S. soccer have no doubt read the above with some creeping angst and perhaps a pang or two of jealousy. The U.S. has never developed a player of Kagawa’s skill, a fact that elicits a great deal of handwringing on this side of the Pacific. (We can argue about Landon Donovan and Clint Dempsey, but the point is that Japan has a team full of players capable of breaking down defenses off the dribble and the U.S. does not.) Just about everybody has an idea about how to fix that, and the U.S. Soccer Federation recently revamped its youth development setup, largely as a means to address the exact kind of complacency-breeding talent gap that Byer talks about. (He told me that in the United States, this gap was “like an ocean.”) And while the USSF’s new academy setup is a step in the right direction—it brings the nation’s most talented players into a more competitive setting—players must be eligible for the under-13 team to even participate. By that age, Japanese kids have already spent 9 years learning to pirouette like Zidane.

Byer argues that his program is exportable to the United States. In some ways, in the U.S. it’d be easier to implement than in Japan: Soccer is already the No. 1 sport among American youth. The problem, according to Byer, is that the USSF and MLS “look at grass-roots football as an obligation, not an opportunity.” Why not put a small technique spot on the Disney Channel or Nick Jr.? Kids would surely pay attention.

Some American kids are lucky, Byer points out, and get a coach who really knows soccer—“but you might get a coach who’s crap.” Parents, who typically coach the youngest American players, don’t realize kids as young as 5 are capable of learning advanced ball skills, and they don’t know how to teach them. “The whole idea [behind my program] was to be consistent and teach that technique work.”

Don’t look to Byer to launch a program in his home country, though. In August, he signed a three-year contract with the Chinese Football Association. He’s the head technical director of a program overseeing the development more than 2 million kids. If all goes to plan, there will be some Chinese Kagawas on Europe’s biggest teams in 15 years or so. But until the U.S. gets its elementary school-aged kids out there, practicing, and shows them it can be fun, we might have to wait a little longer.
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No other country has so many other sports ahead in the pecking order. There's BB, BKB, HKY and the NFL. Kids sign up for these in their droves,

And it's 313m people 🙂

Just to take your point further, India and China, worlds most populous countries, close to 3bn people combined can't produce 11 decent players on a team. Madness really.
Im counting illeagals in my estimation 😉, but seriously im sure they have millions of 1st generation south Americans who have the potential to be outstanding. It may be class issue, where soccer is aimed at upper middle class kids which not too many south americans are in the usa
 
Im counting illeagals in my estimation 😉, but seriously im sure they have millions of 1st generation south Americans who have the potential to be outstanding. It may be class issue, where soccer is aimed at upper middle class kids which not too many south americans are in the usa
You are confusing South Americans and Hispanics to a painful degree here.
 
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