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Maybe we should stop buying into this myth and get some good players for a change. Our standing in the English game has put us in a position to buy players from "smaller" clubs. It has now become the trend; players in the top 4 wants nothing to do with us and we end up buying expensive midtable premiership "proven" players for a fortune and see them flop.

Off the top of my head.

Keane - proven goal scorer
Carroll - Best striker at Newcastle
Downing - Player of the season at Villa
Allen - Player of the season at Swansea
Lovren - One of the best defenders last season
Lallana - Captain and player of the season at Southampton

The 6 above costs us more than 100million with limited returns. I cringe at the thought of another potential expensive mistake - Benteke. I cannot remember who was the last successful "premiership proven" player for us.

We should just go all out for proven superstars at 50mios bracket and play our youngsters. At least in 3 years we will have 3 superstars rather than 10 expensive flops.
 
Gerry_A_Trick said:
So, instead of spending 20-30m on proven players, you want us to spend 50m on proven players?
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It's revolutionary thinking. Paying more is more likely to get you better quality.

I've always wondered why those supermarket brand televisions looked shite compared to my LG & Samsung TV's , this explains it.
 
To be honest, I don't get the scepticism on here about 'Premier League proven'. Surely when recruiting it's not a bad indicator to look at how a player has performed in the league we're considering playing him in. How did he cope with the speed and physicality of the game, the opposition, the frequency of matches, the pitches and even the climate. There is a premium to be paid for 'PL proven' but does that not demonstrate that those on the inside of the game accept the concept? It won't always work of course and we can all hand pick examples to illustrate the point. Surely it's a relevant factor though.
 
leftpeg said:
To be honest, I don't get the scepticism on here about 'Premier League proven'. Surely when recruiting it's not a bad indicator to look at how a player has performed in the league we're considering playing him in. How did he cope with the speed and physicality of the game, the opposition, the frequency of matches, the pitches and even the climate. There is a premium to be paid for 'PL proven' but does that not demonstrate that those on the inside of the game accept the concept? It won't always work of course and we can all hand pick examples to illustrate the point. Surely it's a relevant factor though.
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I agree.

I also agree with Rosco when he criticises it though, as I think 'premiership proven' is often simply seem to literally. Assuming cos a player has performed for one club in the same league means he'll do the same for you is lazy thinking.

It should be used as one factor, but many other factors need to be included too. It can also lead to higher prices & lower returns as often that proof is only regarded as true when the player has had their best season, & that's when their price/value is highest.

I think the problem with us has been partly not looking at what system the club your buying from uses & taking that into account.
 
FoxForceFive said:
It's revolutionary thinking. Paying more is more likely to get you better quality.
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Unfortunately, I don't think that is the case with us. Very few expensive signings turn out to be worth it, value for us is in the cheaper bracket.

I think we just need to get better at buying players, and that doesn't necessarily mean spending more.
 
leftpeg said:
To be honest, I don't get the scepticism on here about 'Premier League proven'. Surely when recruiting it's not a bad indicator to look at how a player has performed in the league we're considering playing him in. How did he cope with the speed and physicality of the game, the opposition, the frequency of matches, the pitches and even the climate. There is a premium to be paid for 'PL proven' but does that not demonstrate that those on the inside of the game accept the concept? It won't always work of course and we can all hand pick examples to illustrate the point. Surely it's a relevant factor though.
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Talking about a player as proven is a fallacy. Very few players are consistently as good each year for the majority of their career.

It usually gets thrown in as a reason to sign a moderately talented player who has just had a career year.

Downing was the classic example, Lallana a more recent example. It's an exercise in convincing yourself to buy into a player who was at his best for 2 or 3 years a good Premiership player
 
We should just start a giant, all-consuming thread about which there is no topic or purpose it just becomes a list of random names and stats.
 
Mors said:
Don't forgot:
Joe Cole
Harry Kewell
Charlie Adam
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Harry Kewell was brilliant. He got that injury in his first season against Everton and was never the same player again.
First half season I thought he was fantastic.
 
KopRed said:
Maybe we should stop buying into this myth and get some good players for a change. Our standing in the English game has put us in a position to buy players from "smaller" clubs. It has now become the trend; players in the top 4 wants nothing to do with us and we end up buying expensive midtable premiership "proven" players for a fortune and see them flop.

Off the top of my head.

Keane - proven goal scorer
Carroll - Best striker at Newcastle
Downing - Player of the season at Villa
Allen - Player of the season at Swansea
Lovren - One of the best defenders last season
Lallana - Captain and player of the season at Southampton

The 6 above costs us more than 100million with limited returns. I cringe at the thought of another potential expensive mistake - Benteke. I cannot remember who was the last successful "premiership proven" player for us.

We should just go all out for proven superstars at 50mios bracket and play our youngsters. At least in 3 years we will have 3 superstars rather than 10 expensive flops.
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A bit unfair though as the manager had a lot to do with some of those being failures.

Robbie Keane - shoved out wide or benched most of the time.
Carroll - our system never suited him and he was injured a lot.
 
leftpeg said:
Yes, because those £50m superstars are beating a path to the doors of Anfield.
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If a superstar or someone close to that was available, you pay the dough to be allowed to speak to him, then break the bank to pay him the wages. We had a 100million to spend last season. Pay Sanchez 200k pounds a week or whatever it takes to bring him in. Instead of trying to buy mid table "proven" whom none of the big clubs wanted.
 
KopRed said:
If a superstar or someone close to that was available, you pay the dough to be allowed to speak to him, then break the bank to pay him the wages. We had a 100million to spend last season. Pay Sanchez 200k pounds a week or whatever it takes to bring him in. Instead of trying to buy mid table "proven" whom none of the big clubs wanted.
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Didn't Leeds try this?
 
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