Difference is that alongside Coutinho, Lallana he been our best player this season.
Pre match: Southampton away
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Before the international break I was saying that I thought we'd drop points here, despite their faultering form, St Marys is always a difficult place to go, and we always seem to take a game to get back up to speed after the international break, missing Lallana just increases my anxiety over the fixture. I think we'll draw this game, and in all honesty, that wouldn't be the end of the world anyway.
Blessing in disguise?
Soton have their own injury issues as well. Tadic, Forster, Højbjerg, Bertrand etc
I'm fucking sick of England breaking our players.
Guess who Mané's hero is?
“When I was young I was watching El-Hadji Diouf as he was one of my heroes,” Mane told the Premier League.
“He also played for Liverpool and he was a big motivation because he was a great player for [Senegal].
“He was one of the best players ever in Senegal.”
“When I was young I was watching El-Hadji Diouf as he was one of my heroes,” Mane told the Premier League.
“He also played for Liverpool and he was a big motivation because he was a great player for [Senegal].
“He was one of the best players ever in Senegal.”
And Origi as well.
Adam Lallana is set to miss out on a return to Southampton although Liverpool are hopeful he'll only be absent for one match. (Paul Joyce)
Lots of different options going into this game without Lallana. The other issue is obviously Coutinho and if he'll be ready or not to start. Him and Firmino landed in Liverpool last night and will probably be involved in todays training.
If he starts, I'd go:
Karius
Clyne Matip Lovren Milner
Can Henderson
Mane Firmino Coutinho
Sturridge
If he isnt fit I'd go:
Karius
Clyne Matip Lovren Milner
Can Hendo Wijnaldum
Mane Sturridge Firmino
Lots of different options going into this game without Lallana. The other issue is obviously Coutinho and if he'll be ready or not to start. Him and Firmino landed in Liverpool last night and will probably be involved in todays training.
If he starts, I'd go:
Karius
Clyne Matip Lovren Milner
Can Henderson
Mane Firmino Coutinho
Sturridge
If he isnt fit I'd go:
Karius
Clyne Matip Lovren Milner
Can Hendo Wijnaldum
Mane Sturridge Firmino
Yep, good shout that. The Echo also reporting thats the likely outcome.
I like how Klopp defended Rooney.
"This generation is the most professional generation of football. All the legends you still love and all the guys you still admire drank like devils and smoked like crazy, and they were still good players.
"Nobody does that any more. These guys are professional players."
"Most of the time we function and sometimes not -- and the whole world is talking about it.
"In one, two, three days nobody will remember what happened today, so why do we make a big deal of it?"
Cut to Sakho
"This generation is the most professional generation of football. All the legends you still love and all the guys you still admire drank like devils and smoked like crazy, and they were still good players.
"Nobody does that any more. These guys are professional players."
"Most of the time we function and sometimes not -- and the whole world is talking about it.
"In one, two, three days nobody will remember what happened today, so why do we make a big deal of it?"
Cut to Sakho
I trust klopp's decision with sakho. there has to be a good reason for all this.
I already forgot what he did...
Seriously, I never rated Sakho so I couldn't care less about him being out.
I know what you mean - he always use to give me the Traore's when he played - never knew what might have happened.
At least Traoré played on the left side. Someone could cover for him. Having an erratic defender like Sakho in the central defence is just too much.
You know that 'slip' that led to us not winning the title a couple of years ago.... I kind of blame him Sakho partly for it - for passing that ball fucking sideways to Gerard. If he could have passed it forward to the far left then just maybe....
Is this some kind of trap?
No - it is me confessing that the players involved in the passes that led to the 'slip' are a painful reminder of the worse moment in that season. I think he can be an ok player but to be honest I just don't want to see his face at the club - unfair I am sure he is a fine person off the pitch but getting rid would be good. You will be glad to know that I have resolved my differences towards Lucas - he is a reminder of us as an average club - but I can see he has a role for now as a reserve defender.
You know how much flack I got when I partly blamed Sakho for that slip. Agger should have played.
Head-to-Head: Every player Liverpool have poached from Southampton since 2014 vs the player who replaced them
By Felix Keith
Posted on November 17, 2016
Liverpool‘s trip to St Mary’s to play Southampton on Saturday will be familiar one for four of their first team players.
The two Premier League clubs have deal plenty of business in recent seasons, with the south coast team becoming a well-established area for player poaching.
The Saints now have a reputation for prospering despite regularly selling their best players to bigger fish up the food chain.
Liverpool are one of the clubs most familiar with buying from Southampton, but while former Saints players are generally the focus, Claude Puel’s side, Ronald Koeman’s before his and initially Mauricio Pochettino’s have continued to improve.
So with nearly £100 million pounds worth of talent disappearing to Merseyside in the last three seasons, how have Saints invested the money and what have the results been?
Sadio Mane vs. Nathan Redmond
How the two compare per 90 minutes in the Premier League this season.
Mane sold for: £34m
Redmond bought for: £12m
Although not a perfect like-for-like replacement, Redmond was brought in from Norwich to take up the mantel left by Mane on the right-hand side of attack. The Senegalese international reached double figures for goals in both of his league seasons for Saints and clearly was not an easy act to follow.
With Puel deciding Redmond’s skill set is better served as a striker in his 4-4-2 diamond formation the former Norwich man has had to adapt – something he has managed well.
However, Mane, playing for a more creative free-flowing, energetic and well-drilled side, has reaped the benefits, scoring six times in his opening 10 appearances. His pace, trickery and work-rate have fitted straight in under Jurgen Klopp and he looks set to continue his sharp upward career trajectory.
Winner: Sadio Mane
Nathaniel Clyne vs. Cedric Soares
How the two compare during the 2015/16 season – their first at each club.
Clyne sold for: £12.5m
Cedric bought for: £4.7m
Southampton sold Clyne to Liverpool before the beginning of the 2015/16 season after the right-back had spent three seasons developing at the club. Although he was already an England international, there is no doubting the fact he has improved under the coaching Klopp.
Considering how well Clyne slotted into Liverpool’s side, it is surprising to see Cedric’s dominance of the statistics last season. The Portuguese international created actually created two more chances, despite playing nine fewer Premier League games, and his tenacious playing style saw him get through a lot of work.
Although Cedric has been injured for the past four league matches, there is still no comparison this season with Clyne rivalling England competitor Kyle Walker for the title of the league’s best right-back. Cedric has certainly been a good find for Saints, but there is little argument for him being a better player than Clyne.
Winner: Clyne
Rickie Lambert vs. Graziano Pelle
How the two compared in the 2014/15 – their first at each club.
Lambert sold for: £4m
Pelle bought for: £8m
Lambert was a iconic, well-loved hero of Saints’ rise from League One to the Premier League. He scored goals – and lots of them – at every level. He was strong in the air, strong on set pieces and had a strong shot. But when the chance arose for him to join his boyhood club, he jumped at it.
It didn’t work out. The former Bristol Rovers man was an afterthought in Brendan Rodgers’ side. He scored just twice in 25 Premier League appearances for Liverpool during the 2014/15 season. He’s now playing for Cardiff in the Championship.
By contrast, his direct replacement at Southampton, Pelle, became an almost immediate favourite at St Mary’s. The well-groomed Italian played in every league game and scored 12 goals, before pretty much repeating the trick last season. There really is no comparison and only one winner.
Winner: Pelle
Adam Lallana vs. Dusan Tadic
How the duo compare in the 2014/15 Premier League season.
Lallana sold for: £25m
Tadic bought for: £11m
Now we come to the closest comparison. Lallana was sold to Liverpool ahead of the 2014/15 season, with Tadic quickly arriving as a replacement from FC Twente.
Although they go about it slightly differently – Lallana with jinky runs and Cruyff turns, Tadic by cutting onto his left foot – both are ostensibly playmakers tasked with creating chances. It is here that the stats are revealing in choosing a victor.
Since the beginning of the 2014/15 season, Lallana has created 94 chances to Tadic’s 172. This season, as brilliant as Lallana has been for club and country, Tadic has still fashioned over twice as many chances for his teammates.
In the Liverpool star’s defence, while a lack of clinical finishing in the Saints’ attack means Tadic is yet to assist a league goal this season, only Manchester City’s Kevin De Bruyne (six assists) can beat Lallana’s tally of five in England’s top flight this term.
Since 2014, however, Tadic has 19 Premier League assists and 12 goals while Lallana has 14 and 12 respectively.
Both are excellent players, but when the price gap, importance to the team and other factors are taken into account, Saints won’t be displeased with their business.
Winner: Tadic
Dejan Lovren vs. Toby Alderweireld
How the two compare during the 2014/15 season per 90 minutes.
Lovren sold for: £20m
Alderweireld arrived for: Loan fee
Another close and debatable match-up. Lovren was sold for £20m despite only playing on season on the south coast which began brightly but showed signs of inconsistency. To replace him Saints pulled off a real coup, securing Belgian international Alderweireld on a season-long loan deal from Atletico Madrid.
Although the stats above appear to show Lovren the clear winner, it also shows a difference in playing style. Lovren was always keen to be in the thick of: competing for high balls, clearing balls and generally affecting play on the front foot. By contrast, Alderweireld’s game is based on reading the game and snuffing out danger.
In the 2014/15 season Lovren made six defensive mistakes – the most of any outfield player in the entire division. Aldwerweireld didn’t make a single one. It is for this reason that the Belgian stands out.
Both are now excellent defenders, but it’d be a brave person to hold Lovren up above what is now Spurs’ star player. Saints now have Virgil van Dijk, who again is arguably better than the Croatian.
Winner: Alderweireld
Conclusion
Liverpool: 2
Southampton: 3
Southampton relative profit: £44.2m
Overall Southampton will be very satisfied by their transfer dealings. They have pocketed over £40m while continually improving season upon season – recording their highest Premier League finish and points tally in 2015/16 under Koeman.
Lambert aside, every player they have sold to Liverpool is now performing consistently well in the first team. However, the club’s hierarchy probably wouldn’t entertain the notion of a swap back, were it an option.
Read more at http://www.squawka.com/news/head-to...-their-replacement/828721#XOEqm06mVwDd6efX.99
By Felix Keith
Posted on November 17, 2016
Liverpool‘s trip to St Mary’s to play Southampton on Saturday will be familiar one for four of their first team players.
The two Premier League clubs have deal plenty of business in recent seasons, with the south coast team becoming a well-established area for player poaching.
The Saints now have a reputation for prospering despite regularly selling their best players to bigger fish up the food chain.
Liverpool are one of the clubs most familiar with buying from Southampton, but while former Saints players are generally the focus, Claude Puel’s side, Ronald Koeman’s before his and initially Mauricio Pochettino’s have continued to improve.
So with nearly £100 million pounds worth of talent disappearing to Merseyside in the last three seasons, how have Saints invested the money and what have the results been?
Sadio Mane vs. Nathan Redmond
How the two compare per 90 minutes in the Premier League this season.
Mane sold for: £34m
Redmond bought for: £12m
Although not a perfect like-for-like replacement, Redmond was brought in from Norwich to take up the mantel left by Mane on the right-hand side of attack. The Senegalese international reached double figures for goals in both of his league seasons for Saints and clearly was not an easy act to follow.
With Puel deciding Redmond’s skill set is better served as a striker in his 4-4-2 diamond formation the former Norwich man has had to adapt – something he has managed well.
However, Mane, playing for a more creative free-flowing, energetic and well-drilled side, has reaped the benefits, scoring six times in his opening 10 appearances. His pace, trickery and work-rate have fitted straight in under Jurgen Klopp and he looks set to continue his sharp upward career trajectory.
Winner: Sadio Mane
Nathaniel Clyne vs. Cedric Soares
How the two compare during the 2015/16 season – their first at each club.
Clyne sold for: £12.5m
Cedric bought for: £4.7m
Southampton sold Clyne to Liverpool before the beginning of the 2015/16 season after the right-back had spent three seasons developing at the club. Although he was already an England international, there is no doubting the fact he has improved under the coaching Klopp.
Considering how well Clyne slotted into Liverpool’s side, it is surprising to see Cedric’s dominance of the statistics last season. The Portuguese international created actually created two more chances, despite playing nine fewer Premier League games, and his tenacious playing style saw him get through a lot of work.
Although Cedric has been injured for the past four league matches, there is still no comparison this season with Clyne rivalling England competitor Kyle Walker for the title of the league’s best right-back. Cedric has certainly been a good find for Saints, but there is little argument for him being a better player than Clyne.
Winner: Clyne
Rickie Lambert vs. Graziano Pelle
How the two compared in the 2014/15 – their first at each club.
Lambert sold for: £4m
Pelle bought for: £8m
Lambert was a iconic, well-loved hero of Saints’ rise from League One to the Premier League. He scored goals – and lots of them – at every level. He was strong in the air, strong on set pieces and had a strong shot. But when the chance arose for him to join his boyhood club, he jumped at it.
It didn’t work out. The former Bristol Rovers man was an afterthought in Brendan Rodgers’ side. He scored just twice in 25 Premier League appearances for Liverpool during the 2014/15 season. He’s now playing for Cardiff in the Championship.
By contrast, his direct replacement at Southampton, Pelle, became an almost immediate favourite at St Mary’s. The well-groomed Italian played in every league game and scored 12 goals, before pretty much repeating the trick last season. There really is no comparison and only one winner.
Winner: Pelle
Adam Lallana vs. Dusan Tadic
How the duo compare in the 2014/15 Premier League season.
Lallana sold for: £25m
Tadic bought for: £11m
Now we come to the closest comparison. Lallana was sold to Liverpool ahead of the 2014/15 season, with Tadic quickly arriving as a replacement from FC Twente.
Although they go about it slightly differently – Lallana with jinky runs and Cruyff turns, Tadic by cutting onto his left foot – both are ostensibly playmakers tasked with creating chances. It is here that the stats are revealing in choosing a victor.
Since the beginning of the 2014/15 season, Lallana has created 94 chances to Tadic’s 172. This season, as brilliant as Lallana has been for club and country, Tadic has still fashioned over twice as many chances for his teammates.
In the Liverpool star’s defence, while a lack of clinical finishing in the Saints’ attack means Tadic is yet to assist a league goal this season, only Manchester City’s Kevin De Bruyne (six assists) can beat Lallana’s tally of five in England’s top flight this term.
Since 2014, however, Tadic has 19 Premier League assists and 12 goals while Lallana has 14 and 12 respectively.
Both are excellent players, but when the price gap, importance to the team and other factors are taken into account, Saints won’t be displeased with their business.
Winner: Tadic
Dejan Lovren vs. Toby Alderweireld
How the two compare during the 2014/15 season per 90 minutes.
Lovren sold for: £20m
Alderweireld arrived for: Loan fee
Another close and debatable match-up. Lovren was sold for £20m despite only playing on season on the south coast which began brightly but showed signs of inconsistency. To replace him Saints pulled off a real coup, securing Belgian international Alderweireld on a season-long loan deal from Atletico Madrid.
Although the stats above appear to show Lovren the clear winner, it also shows a difference in playing style. Lovren was always keen to be in the thick of: competing for high balls, clearing balls and generally affecting play on the front foot. By contrast, Alderweireld’s game is based on reading the game and snuffing out danger.
In the 2014/15 season Lovren made six defensive mistakes – the most of any outfield player in the entire division. Aldwerweireld didn’t make a single one. It is for this reason that the Belgian stands out.
Both are now excellent defenders, but it’d be a brave person to hold Lovren up above what is now Spurs’ star player. Saints now have Virgil van Dijk, who again is arguably better than the Croatian.
Winner: Alderweireld
Conclusion
Liverpool: 2
Southampton: 3
Southampton relative profit: £44.2m
Overall Southampton will be very satisfied by their transfer dealings. They have pocketed over £40m while continually improving season upon season – recording their highest Premier League finish and points tally in 2015/16 under Koeman.
Lambert aside, every player they have sold to Liverpool is now performing consistently well in the first team. However, the club’s hierarchy probably wouldn’t entertain the notion of a swap back, were it an option.
Read more at http://www.squawka.com/news/head-to...-their-replacement/828721#XOEqm06mVwDd6efX.99
I'm not really sure what the point is of that. We signed four big players from them who are now ever presents in a team that looks like it could win the title. They've replaced them with four good players who've helped maintain their stability and position around the Europa League places.
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