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Poor the Brendumb.
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Poor the Brendumb.
Firmexiters and Firmainers.
Fuck me man. You are a bit slow?
Firmo and Firno
does firmino need to score that many more goals? We are hardly struggling to convert chances.
He's also a forward, rather than a striker or poacher and he creates plenty of chances and is involved in plenty of goals. So yeah, I dont think 5 is enough but if he finishes the season at 10 and the goals keep coming from elsewhere is that really a problem? We wont lose out on the top 4 or whatever for lack of goals scored, thats fairly evident.
He's also a forward, rather than a striker or poacher and he creates plenty of chances and is involved in plenty of goals. So yeah, I dont think 5 is enough but if he finishes the season at 10 and the goals keep coming from elsewhere is that really a problem? We wont lose out on the top 4 or whatever for lack of goals scored, thats fairly evident.
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Idiot. Watch back the game, he was everywhere. He won a corner through effective and intelligent pressing (along with Lallana) when United seemed under no pressure. We ended up scoring from that corner.
Still think Firmino could have got a pass away. I'm not an advocate of sin bins in general, but surely those kind of "clever yellows" preventing a counter attack deserve something between yellow and red.
I haven't got any data on corners won from pressing
Maybe it counts as an assist
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I get that Brendan is probably taking the point too far, but surely the criticism is valid. I don't understand why people can't see the positive and negative with Firmino. The negative clearly exists (as it does with any player), so a discussion about it is valid.
(Btw, for the record I love Firmino and would argue that his contribution is highly positive.) I think he adds a dimension to the team that is difficult to quantify, but he is clearly effective in creating a more energetic, dynamic attack-minded force. But he really just isn't that clinical. It is frustrating to watch such an obviously great footballer fluff his lines so often at the critical moment because (as Rurik points out) it seems as though his body is too fatigued to do what his mind clearly envisions.
He either needs to get fitter so that he can execute when he needs to (unlikely that this will happen since he probably has an elite level of fitness) or, he needs to practice finishing when utterly shag knackered. I'd be totally surprised if this type of training wasn't already part of the repertoire of the forward players, so I'm assuming that he will improve.
The need for an amazing finisher is obvious, but isn't that what every single team in world football is looking for? I would imagine that uncovering someone in the januuary transfer window that everyone else had overlooked is just not that easy.
(Btw, for the record I love Firmino and would argue that his contribution is highly positive.) I think he adds a dimension to the team that is difficult to quantify, but he is clearly effective in creating a more energetic, dynamic attack-minded force. But he really just isn't that clinical. It is frustrating to watch such an obviously great footballer fluff his lines so often at the critical moment because (as Rurik points out) it seems as though his body is too fatigued to do what his mind clearly envisions.
He either needs to get fitter so that he can execute when he needs to (unlikely that this will happen since he probably has an elite level of fitness) or, he needs to practice finishing when utterly shag knackered. I'd be totally surprised if this type of training wasn't already part of the repertoire of the forward players, so I'm assuming that he will improve.
The need for an amazing finisher is obvious, but isn't that what every single team in world football is looking for? I would imagine that uncovering someone in the januuary transfer window that everyone else had overlooked is just not that easy.
I don't know if I agree about the fitness and fatigue being a factor in his finishing. He seems to have very good stamina and doesn't really flag noticeably. He's just not a reliable finisher, and doesn't naturally find himself in the box often enough to finish off attacks.
There was lots of talk - not from me - that he would obviously improve on last season's total, but while I would expect that as a minimum, the idea that he's going to get 15-20 goals in the league are ludicrous. Everyone knows that 6 goals and the worst goals/ minutes ratio in the league doesn't tell the whole story, but it indicates a potential problem, even if I fully expect him to improve on that with his mate Coutinho back in tandem.
But as you say, getting a player who brings the positive attributes to the team that he does, and adding goals on top, does narrow the field somewhat. Which doesn't mean it's impossible, because that is also ludicrous. And it doesn't have to be "another Suarez" does it? That's the criteria? Because again, that narrows down the field even further.
However, what about another option? Can he play in a more natural support role with another striker in front of him? He doesn't seem anywhere near as effective when more confined to an attacking role, wide or central, but that might be a consequence of personnel rather than ability.
I'd hate to think that playing as the focal, central point of our attack is the only place he can be used effectively, but it's hard to make that call one way or another, although if his main attribute is his pressing from the front, it does make sense that he is AT the front, so it's a conundrum, I agree.
I don't think there is one poster on here who doesn't want him to score more but the whole 'minutes per goal' argument is massively reductive in the context of the debate at hand. I am not sure why anyone is reacting - or responding - to that, to be honest.
It's called having an interesting and valid opinion, backed up by facts, presented in an engaging and humorous fashion by a poster with a recognised personality who is generally well-liked and respected.
I can see why you find it all so bemusing, given you lack all of the above attributes.
It may have been interesting the first time you posted it. The subsequent 50-odd times? Not so much.
I assumed from some of the responses that people had forgotten, or weren't aware. Perhaps it was Ryan telling me suck Thierry Henry's fat one, or something.
In any case, I hope Firmino starts scoring with more regularity and we don't need to discuss this again.
As I say, as long as we're scoring enough goals, I don't give a shit where they come from.
Christ Brendan, pass me the bucket.
I think Shearer had a go at someone else on MOTD for doing something similar to that stamp.
Did he get a ban?
Yeah, although I nearly have to admire your self-aggrandizing, unrelenting methods of posting.
It probably helped that the player he stamped on, Neil Lennon, spoke on Shearer's behalf and backed up his claims that it was not malicious in his official defence.
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