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By the way, has this peach from Brendan been commented on?
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Bravo old man.
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Bravo old man.
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James Pearce's #LFC XI v Arsenal: Mignolet - Clyne, Lovren, Klavan, Moreno - Can, Henderson - Coutinho - Mané, Lallana, Firmino. (4-3-3)
That's not good enough. Apart from Mane, there's no genuine goal threat or pace.James Pearce's #LFC XI v Arsenal: Mignolet - Clyne, Lovren, Klavan, Moreno - Can, Henderson - Coutinho - Mané, Lallana, Firmino. (4-3-3)
Yeah I get all that, but we also played like that at stages of last year, won 16 games, and finished fucking 14th or whatever.
I don't think it's a case of shifting blame onto Moreno - I actually kinda like the dumb fuck - more acknowledging that he's a weak link that needs addressing.
I thought Klopp was going to address some of the structural problems we have this summer but he instead seems to have gone even further the other way (see: our summer long quest for yet another attacking midfielder). And today's line-up wasn't far off being as attacking as a Garth Crooks team of the week (aka who's scored a goal this weekend). I wonder if that's a sign of things to come or whether it was an attempt to capitalize on Arsenal's defensive woes gone wrong.
I'm sure our issues are to an extent rooted in coaching / the manager's system but I don't think they're anywhere near completely solvable on the training pitch. We needed to buy and I'm still quite amazed that we haven't.
If Can gets injured, for example, we're left with Stewart and Lucas (who may or may not be here) as our defensive options.
I thought Klopp was going to address some of the structural problems we have this summer but he instead seems to have gone even further the other way (see: our summer long quest for yet another attacking midfielder). And today's line-up wasn't far off being as attacking as a Garth Crooks team of the week (aka who's scored a goal this weekend). I wonder if that's a sign of things to come or whether it was an attempt to capitalize on Arsenal's defensive woes gone wrong.
I'm sure our issues are to an extent rooted in coaching / the manager's system but I don't think they're anywhere near completely solvable on the training pitch. We needed to buy and I'm still quite amazed that we haven't.
If Can gets injured, for example, we're left with Stewart and Lucas (who may or may not be here) as our defensive options.
Matip can play DM. Not sure how good he is there though.
We didnt defend to badly overall though. Second Arsenal goal was a result of us switching off after 4-1.
Third goal was a bit poor. Should defend those set pieces better.
Klopp will adress that.
After 3-4 we defended pretty well and were in controll.
Winning away to Arsenal for the second time in 10 years. Cant complain to much...
Third goal was a bit poor. Should defend those set pieces better.
Klopp will adress that.
After 3-4 we defended pretty well and were in controll.
Winning away to Arsenal for the second time in 10 years. Cant complain to much...
Yeah I dont really agree with Ryan.
We werent getting ripped apart and exposed like against Sevilla.
Sounds stupid but apart from when the goals actually happened you never saw them happening.
Sloppy mistake for the first from Lallana
Sloppy defending from Clyne on the second but a tame (10 time a game type of) shot for the second takes a deflection and the third was a great ball that can happen.
We defended actually pretty well and Mignolet really had fuck all to do apart from the pen (which wasnt a pen)
It wasnt GREAT, and we conceeded three, but I didnt think we were being ripped apart or anything. We looked composed in the main part.
We werent getting ripped apart and exposed like against Sevilla.
Sounds stupid but apart from when the goals actually happened you never saw them happening.
Sloppy mistake for the first from Lallana
Sloppy defending from Clyne on the second but a tame (10 time a game type of) shot for the second takes a deflection and the third was a great ball that can happen.
We defended actually pretty well and Mignolet really had fuck all to do apart from the pen (which wasnt a pen)
It wasnt GREAT, and we conceeded three, but I didnt think we were being ripped apart or anything. We looked composed in the main part.
Difficult to understand what he'saying in all honesty. Blood or bruv or whatever. Fuck off with that shite.
I agree with a lot of your posts....they're generally interesting and insightful but I can't help but think you're a bit too full on with the negative side of things. Of course we have deficiencies we all know that, but ffs we've just got a rare away win at Arsenal...it's still Arsenal at the end of the day....and we played an attacking brand of Football that should have every Liverpool fan buzzing for what might be to come this season.
It's not too cool to be a bit more upbeat and positive sometimes.
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On what planet was that not a pen? He wiped him out.
We were meant to be after Dahoud - isn't he a bit more of a controlling type of midfielder?
When the fixtures were announced I think most fans expected a loss so I'll take three points.
We often start with a draw or loss on the opening day so to get the win is huge, especially when it means you are taking 3pts off a top four rival.
With Spurs and Leicester dropping points it's a been a great start.
As for our defending, I think we all know it was rubbish for a goals but we did hold firm for 15 mins when perhaps many of us were expecting a fourth for Arsenal.
Will be interesting to see if Matip brings better structure or if we sign a left back.
Certainly promising signs going forward.
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We often start with a draw or loss on the opening day so to get the win is huge, especially when it means you are taking 3pts off a top four rival.
With Spurs and Leicester dropping points it's a been a great start.
As for our defending, I think we all know it was rubbish for a goals but we did hold firm for 15 mins when perhaps many of us were expecting a fourth for Arsenal.
Will be interesting to see if Matip brings better structure or if we sign a left back.
Certainly promising signs going forward.
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He got the ball.
It was tiny studs only contact but it was contact. I dont see why it was ignored by the pundits.
He took the ball then the player.
Not a pen for me, but I can see why the ref gave it, you could only see it in slowmo
I'm not trying to be cool. I think we've got structural defensive issues, and focusing on Moreno is pointless.
I get we play tremendously exciting football, and damn straight it's fucking cool to watch. But we can't keep conceding goals like this.
The first two goals we conceded were straight after stoppages in play; the penalty, and our 4th goal. It's kinda 1.01 stuff to have your team setup properly to manage defensively after incidents like that, yet we conceded goals from them. That sort of stuff shouldn't be happening - and I find it worrying.
It doesn't mean I'm being controversial, it just means I'm worried about how we're set up.
No, I do agree with you on this...I just mean in general but maybe I just misunderstand some of your points.
To be fair to Klopp in his post match interviews that we can't keep conceding 3 goals and expect to win games...it's not sustainable by any stretch.
I don't know what the solution is to our defensive problems, it probably is a collective thing but surely to god, a solid left back who knows what he's at would help our cause. Not only is it Moreno that's all over the show but it unsettles the entire defence when they have we've got such a weak link in the back 4.
The ironic thing is he litters his sentences with 'do you understand?' Well, to be honest.... no, I don't.
The major concern was the inability to hold onto the ball after we scored the fourth.
When Xabi, Mascherano, Gerrard and Rafa here we would have seen that game out without conceding another just by keeping the ball, controlling the midfield, playing smart and having a balanced set up. The best teams can manage all manner of game situations and we just can't.
We seem to think playing smart means taking a short corner and trying to hold it there and it stops there. I'm not going to dwell on it too much, it's a brilliant start for us after all, but it's something I expect to see throughout the season and it will hurt us.
If Allen had been available off the bench we would have been stronger for it today.
When Xabi, Mascherano, Gerrard and Rafa here we would have seen that game out without conceding another just by keeping the ball, controlling the midfield, playing smart and having a balanced set up. The best teams can manage all manner of game situations and we just can't.
We seem to think playing smart means taking a short corner and trying to hold it there and it stops there. I'm not going to dwell on it too much, it's a brilliant start for us after all, but it's something I expect to see throughout the season and it will hurt us.
If Allen had been available off the bench we would have been stronger for it today.
Why was Moreno ahead of the ball?? Bad positioning, not unlucky.
Two opening day of the season penalty saves too I think.
Wreckless and dangerous can still be a free even if you get the ball no?
Nah, not for me.
There's still doubts over the keepers, centre backs and defensive unit at a whole, plus the time needed for all the new players to adapt, etc. Teams don't just jump 8 places in a year regardless of what happens.
Unless you're Leicester city and then you jump 16 places.
Infuriated me too, but agree with Ryan said on this play. Moreno is the outlet on the counter and is supposed to get up field. A center-mid (where Lallana was playing) CAN NOT lose the ball there. He can't turn blind and get caught THERE - another 20 yards forward, maybe - forty yards, fine - but, not just at the edge of our own third.
Moreno was awful the rest of the first half and I have no idea why Arsenal stopped attacking him. He did look better in the 2nd half, in part because I think he attacked less and tucked in closer to Klavan (who was near flawless), but also because Arsenal played more to the left for no good reason.
Er... their 2nd and 3rd goal came from the left.
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