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Great win.

Too obvious that we need a LB and also a DM/CM to play alongside Emre. We don't have anyone suited to playing that holding mid role. Emre is probably the best we have to play there but it's not his natural position.

If we can fill those 2 positions then I'm certain we will have a fantastic season.
 
Mane, coutinho, wijnaldum- very tidy

Firmino, lallana not too bad either

Can the man

Moreno the mongoloid
 
Red Bird said:
I know Moreno is [rightly] getting pelters for the first goal but Lallana must share the blame for it as well; he and Clyne also bollixed for the second, too. But what a goal for the second-- how many touches were there?

It's not easy being a Liverpool fan, is it? At 4-1 I thought that was it and in fact had Clyne and Lalllana not simply waved Oxlade-Chamberlain through, I feel we'd have massacred Arsenal. Instead the bad habits cropped up once again and we gave Arsenal a lifeline!. Phew! And this is called early season 😱
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Lallana got the ball took off him on the turn by a player on his blind side, it happens. Moreno was positionally out, which we could give him the benefit of the doubt for, if it wasn't such a regular occurrence and he hadn't already fucked up a couple of minutes earlier. If anything, the penalty should have made him more aware not to fuck up.

The second goal, yeah, it was a colossal team error, but Klopp said himself post match that he shares some of the blame in that because of the celebrations - the players weren't focused. Clyne and Lallana are generally two of the least work shy players in the team and their mistakes are few and far between, but excuses have ran out for Moreno really.
 
Philippe Coutinho scores on the opening weekend for the 2nd season in-a-row, he got the 1-0 winner at Stoke in 2015.

Philippe Coutinho has scored his second @premierleague brace, with the other coming in Oct 2015 v Chelsea at Stamford Bridge.

Adam Lallana has scored his first away PL goal since January, when he scored the winner in the 5-4 v Norwich.

Liverpool have scored 4 goals in an away PL game for the 4th time under Klopp (also v Man City, Norwich, A.Villa)

Liverpool have scored 4+ goals in a @premierleague game on five occasions in 2016; the most of any team in the competition.

Liverpool are the first team to score four league goals at the Emirates against Arsenal since Chelsea in May 2009.

There were 19 passes leading up to Coutinho's 2nd goal against Arsenal.

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Positives:

Thrilling encounter for everyone bar Arsenal fans.
New signings with the exception of Wijnaldum settling in well straight away.
We've somehow still managed to keep our magician happy here.

Negatives:

Moreno

We cannot go into the next game with Moreno as our LB.
 
Wijnaldum struggled to impose himself on the game.
However, I want to be slightly positive here.
Worked his socks off the whole game, never shied away from tackles or headers or the ball.
I think what we'll see from him is runs like the one he made today where he got a weak shot on target that Cech dealt with.

My only concern is I'm not 100% sure where he fits in ...
 
LeTallecWiz said:
Wijnaldum struggled to impose himself on the game.
However, I want to be slightly positive here.
Worked his socks off the whole game, never shied away from tackles or headers or the ball.
I think what we'll see from him is runs like the one he made today where he got a weak shot on target that Cech dealt with.

My only concern is I'm not 100% sure where he fits in ...
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I thought both he and Henderson "were hiding" in the first half, not showing enough for the ball from the centre-halves and not providing enough cover when the full-backs, especially Moreno (I know, I know) went forward. But there was a vast improvements in the second half-- Klopp must have put a flea in each ear.
 
Awesome win, albeit against a decimated Arsenal defence, but nonetheless impressive.

Think posters are being slightly harsh on Moreno, was good second half. Both their goals came from Clyne's side in 2nd for starters.

All out there were good to great but really enjoyed Firmino's 2nd half, looked proper star potential. Mane's goal was sex and Coutinho's free-kick was a real beauty.

And I love when Klopp loses his glasses during celebration.

We'll see that a lot this Season..
 
I'd have to watch it again, but I thought Wijnaldum was poor for large portions of the game.
 
Moreno has to go. That tackle, after his misguided header could have gone either way. The penalty, the positioning for the goal. It just confirms what we know from last year and he HAS NOT changed. He will cost us so many points. Their second goal, was like a knife through butter. Third goal, was set pieces again, and Mignolet was super slow getting down.

THAT BEING said, we would have given up a forth last year, and what a player Mane is. Phillipe's goals, were class. Now, he's a goal scorer. Lallana, what a finish. Henderson - I take it back..

Very happy, what a result. Terrific courage, and composure, and can you believe we scored 4 at the Emirates. Holy Cow.

Just please dispel this dodgy defense thing that I still fear!

How long is it since we won @ Arsenal? Been a long time no?
 
I said this after the Sevilla game; you can't blame Moreno alone if you concede 3 fucking goals.

I know he's the convenient scapegoat, and believe me - I know he's as fucking useless as everyone else does - but we have structural problems in our side, not just hapless Spanish left-back problems.

Today's game reminded me of Brendan Rodgers' Liverpool. Exhilarating going forward? Tick. Dreadful defensively? Tick.

We have got to find a way to manage matches when they're not at 100mph. Cos two things:

  1. You cannot press for 90 minutes of a match. You just can't.
  2. We can only retain possession well when we're trying to score.

That second bit is madness. Our best form of defence and game management being when we're trying to score? Madness. An ordinary Arsenal side scored 3 against us today, and missed a pen. Sevilla ripped us to shite. These are Europe's second tier sides; not your Barca, Real Madrid, Bayern types. Sevilla and Arsenal and we're shipping goals everywhere.

The same glaring gaps from Sevilla exposed again today. Runners from deep coming through midfield, turning the ball over cheaply in midfield (Walcott's goal was Lallana's fault by the way, not Moreno's - Moreno is instructed to make that run forward from that area, Lallana is not instructed to lose the ball there), but the most worrying for me is the same lack of 'sense'. We've got a midfield of reactors - even with Can in there. We're actually trained to react; snap at the opposition when they get it, win it back. It's a sure fire tactic, but it's an acknowledged reactive one. There's no sense of quelling attacks and sniffing out shit, and killing the game from us. We're looking for an opening, as opposed to trying to prevent any from happening.

We don't necessarily need a defensive midfield enforcer, because one player doesn't stop it. It has to be built into the fabric of the way you play, cos you can't win a league without it. You can buy a better left back, it's not that hard. Conceding 6 goals in your last 2 competitive games and not learning the lesson from it is much harder to fix.

Perhaps it's not in Klopp's lexicon, perhaps it's not in our players - but against the really good sides, and some of the ordinary ones too - we'll come undone.

And shifting the blame onto Alberto Moreno is just wasting time.
 
Ryan said:
I said this after the Sevilla game; you can't blame Moreno alone if you concede 3 fucking goals.

I know he's the convenient scapegoat, and believe me - I know he's as fucking useless as everyone else does - but we have structural problems in our side, not just hapless Spanish left-back problems.

Today's game reminded me of Brendan Rodgers' Liverpool. Exhilarating going forward? Tick. Dreadful defensively? Tick.

We have got to find a way to manage matches when they're not at 100mph. Cos two things:

  1. You cannot press for 90 minutes of a match. You just can't.
  2. We can only retain possession well when we're trying to score.

That second bit is madness. Our best form of defence and game management being when we're trying to score? Madness. An ordinary Arsenal side scored 3 against us today, and missed a pen. Sevilla ripped us to shite. These are Europe's second tier sides; not your Barca, Real Madrid, Bayern types. Sevilla and Arsenal and we're shipping goals everywhere.

The same glaring gaps from Sevilla exposed again today. Runners from deep coming through midfield, turning the ball over cheaply in midfield (Walcott's goal was Lallana's fault by the way, not Moreno's - Moreno is instructed to make that run forward from that area, Lallana is not instructed to lose the ball there), but the most worrying for me is the same lack of 'sense'. We've got a midfield of reactors - even with Can in there. We're actually trained to react; snap at the opposition when they get it, win it back. It's a sure fire tactic, but it's an acknowledged reactive one. There's no sense of quelling attacks and sniffing out shit, and killing the game from us. We're looking for an opening, as opposed to trying to prevent any from happening.

We don't necessarily need a defensive midfield enforcer, because one player doesn't stop it. It has to be built into the fabric of the way you play, cos you can't win a league without it. You can buy a better left back, it's not that hard. Conceding 6 goals in your last 2 competitive games and not learning the lesson from it is much harder to fix.

Perhaps it's not in Klopp's lexicon, perhaps it's not in our players - but against the really good sides, and some of the ordinary ones too - we'll come undone.

And shifting the blame onto Alberto Moreno is just wasting time.
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He is shit though isn't he
 
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