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Poor The Fernando

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[quote author=jimmy link=topic=44552.msg1306767#msg1306767 date=1301381300]
I really don't mind his weekly moaning as long as he doesn't score.
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Yes, that's true Jimmy. I want him to be plying his trade in the Spanish 3rd division after a 5 year goal drought, attempting to engage disinterested members of the local press after another scoreless game and insisting, "I had to move on. Top players need to do that. The Liverpool situation was complicated but I acted because the best players must be challenging for the biggest prizes..." as the media saunter off.
 
Anyone else starting to feel sorry? It's like that ex gf who realizes she shouldn't have left you - and you're now happy with some great gal, and she can't stop sending you annoying texts.

Nandough - shut the fuck up. We don't care. We will never like you again. Go fuck yourself.
 
I'd still rather we had him than Chelsea, but then we have Suarez who I don't think I'd give up for anything right now, so..

He's a fucking numpty. That's all.
 
I hope he spends his Chelsea career injured and misfiring in front of goal, and that he goes down as one of the Premiership's worst ever signings.

Fingers crossed.
 
Shevchenko mkII. If you can't score when you have some of the finest players around you setting up chance after chance after chance, then you are a bit shite

I think he thought he was a big fish in a small pond. When he was here we had gerrard and torres. Thats it. He played better because he knew he was relied on. Like for spain, he is surrounded by more class and match winners. He's become laxidaisical
 
It's daft to write him off as anything right now. He'll score goals, whether it be next week or returning after a much needed Summer break. Or if it doesn't work out at Chelsea and he moves elsewhere. It's not like he's not suited to the Premiership, we already know he is, it's just whether he can continue to take a kicking for the next few years.
 
[quote author=localny link=topic=44552.msg1306735#msg1306735 date=1301360300]
I can't believe this. Torres and Mascherano are disliked now for five reasons..

1. They seem to forget that Liverpool "made them" as players. took them to the next level..
2. They handled their departure badly..
3. They hit the road as soon as the going got tough. No loyalty
4. They take no responsibility for their part in the departure.
5. Above all, they spoke badly of the club, when they left. Ungrateful shit stirrers

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=not the personal qualities for a Liverpool player. If a player doens´t want to play or fight for us he can fuck off. How can El Cunt say he was "loyal"!?
Fucking hell.
 
I don't think those comments are aimed at us or are meant to convince himself that he made the right move. He's just seen public perception of him alter dramatically in England (dunno about Spain where I believe these comments were made amidst talk of Fabregas to Barca) - he's gone from being a model nice guy to a bit of a villain.

Liverpool fans will never forget. Others might if you start scoring goals and winning things. Probably best to get on with trying to do that rather than mouthing off in the press.
 
I would love to have the Torres of his first two seasons here play along side Suarez.
I do wonder though if the world will ever see that player again.
 
Two things have occurred to me reading the last few posts, firstly we have a happy knack of pulling a rabbit out of the hat as far as strikers are concerned, God-willing that Suarez continues to be the player he seems to be.
Secondly had things worked out differently and Torres stayed, what would his reaction to Suarez instant success be if he was still stuttering, I bet he would not like being second fiddle, even if we were winning.

regards
 
Not sure about that, Vlad. Villa's outshone him for Spain for some time but it hasn't had that effect on him in that context.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44552.msg1306886#msg1306886 date=1301392427]
Two things have occurred to me reading the last few posts, firstly we have a happy knack of pulling a rabbit out of the hat as far as strikers are concerned, God-willing that Suarez continues to be the player he seems to be.
Secondly had things worked out differently and Torres stayed, what would his reaction to Suarez instant success be if he was still stuttering, I bet he would not like being second fiddle, even if we were winning.

regards
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I wonder what makes you say that, Vlad.
I mean Fernando said he was always loyal to LFC, so I bet the club was always first for him, and only then his own success...
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=44552.msg1306890#msg1306890 date=1301392569]
Not sure about that, Vlad. Villa's outshone him for Spain for some time but it hasn't had that effect on him in that context.
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Torres hadn't set the world alight on international level though has he? I reckon he'd play with more passion if he was the only hero up front for spain
 
He's been injured for much of the time though, and when he *has* played he hasn't looked like a puppet with its strings cut, the way he did for us for the last 12-18 months.
 
He was calling for us to sign better players, though. He'd probably be happy to be finally playing with quality if he stuck around to see Suarez.

Anyway, can we stop saying things like "Karma's a bitch, Fernando" please? He will score and do well, he's too good and not as old as Shevchenko to fail.
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=44552.msg1306900#msg1306900 date=1301393209]
I agree with the karma stuff, it's pointless


As it doesn't exist
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Heh, well yeh, but you get what I mean.

We don't want to tempt fate, we know that exists at least.
 
[quote author=jimmy link=topic=44552.msg1306893#msg1306893 date=1301392671]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44552.msg1306886#msg1306886 date=1301392427]
Two things have occurred to me reading the last few posts, firstly we have a happy knack of pulling a rabbit out of the hat as far as strikers are concerned, God-willing that Suarez continues to be the player he seems to be.
Secondly had things worked out differently and Torres stayed, what would his reaction to Suarez instant success be if he was still stuttering, I bet he would not like being second fiddle, even if we were winning.

regards
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I wonder what makes you say that, Vlad.
I mean Fernando said he was always loyal to LFC, so I bet the club was always first for him, and only then his own success...
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I say that Jimmy because Fernando has proven by the manner of his leaving and his weekly spoutings that life actually revolves around Fernando. Ha, you nearly whoooshed me then James, you aren't usually that sarcastic 😉

regards
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=44552.msg1306900#msg1306900 date=1301393209]
I agree with the karma stuff, it's pointless


As it doesn't exist
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I agree really. It's just that, when and if he does start scoring for them, it'll feel a lot worse if we've been slagging off his chances meanwhile.
 
In fact thinking about this at the level I have suggested makes me think about it even more.
Ferando was always banging on about improving the team and the owners showing the right commitment, so they did in a January window which is always a risk, and had more or less signed Suarez before Fernando decided to go.
Could Fernando see that he may not be able to use that as an excuse to jump ship for much longer, and could he possibly see his nose being put out of joint by the new kid on the block coming in and making him look second best?
Just a thought

regards
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44552.msg1306909#msg1306909 date=1301394088]
In fact thinking about this at the level I have suggested makes me think about it even more.
Ferando was always banging on about improving the team and the owners showing the right commitment, so they did in a January window which is always a risk, and had more or less signed Suarez before Fernando decided to go.
Could Fernando see that he may not be able to use that as an excuse to jump ship for much longer, and could he possibly see his nose being put out of joint by the new kid on the block coming in and making him look second best?
Just a thought

regards
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Would we have signed Suarez if Torres stayed.

I'd suggest we wouldn't have. I think talks with Chelsea were on far earlier than suggested.
 
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=44552.msg1306914#msg1306914 date=1301394636]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44552.msg1306909#msg1306909 date=1301394088]
In fact thinking about this at the level I have suggested makes me think about it even more.
Ferando was always banging on about improving the team and the owners showing the right commitment, so they did in a January window which is always a risk, and had more or less signed Suarez before Fernando decided to go.
Could Fernando see that he may not be able to use that as an excuse to jump ship for much longer, and could he possibly see his nose being put out of joint by the new kid on the block coming in and making him look second best?
Just a thought

regards
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Would we have signed Suarez if Torres stayed.

I'd suggest we wouldn't have. I think talks with Chelsea were on far earlier than suggested.
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It was said (by Torres) that he'd been talking to Chelsea for 10 days when he signed, but we were linked with Suarez for ages weren't we? The whole Suarez saga took weeks to sort out.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44552.msg1306916#msg1306916 date=1301394713]
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=44552.msg1306914#msg1306914 date=1301394636]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44552.msg1306909#msg1306909 date=1301394088]
In fact thinking about this at the level I have suggested makes me think about it even more.
Ferando was always banging on about improving the team and the owners showing the right commitment, so they did in a January window which is always a risk, and had more or less signed Suarez before Fernando decided to go.
Could Fernando see that he may not be able to use that as an excuse to jump ship for much longer, and could he possibly see his nose being put out of joint by the new kid on the block coming in and making him look second best?
Just a thought

regards
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Would we have signed Suarez if Torres stayed.

I'd suggest we wouldn't have. I think talks with Chelsea were on far earlier than suggested.
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It was said (by Torres) that he'd been talking to Chelsea for 10 days when he signed, but we were linked with Suarez for ages weren't we? The whole Suarez saga took weeks to sort out.
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Chelsea will have rang in December, we'd have known they were going to bid and we were going to lose him, so its only natural that we began talking to Ajax as early as possible.

I'm happy to be proven otherwise I just don't think we'd have spent £20m+ on Suarez had Torres stayed.

Didnt we make offer £14m odd to start with? I guess we possibly could have been in for him regardless at that price?
 
Torres may have been talking to the Chavs that early but I doubt that we were (the whole thing seemed to come as a huge shock to the club when the news finally broke), and we'd wanted Suarez for a while anyway.

Now whether we'd have bought Carroll is another matter entirely.
 
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=44552.msg1306918#msg1306918 date=1301395086]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44552.msg1306916#msg1306916 date=1301394713]
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=44552.msg1306914#msg1306914 date=1301394636]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44552.msg1306909#msg1306909 date=1301394088]
In fact thinking about this at the level I have suggested makes me think about it even more.
Ferando was always banging on about improving the team and the owners showing the right commitment, so they did in a January window which is always a risk, and had more or less signed Suarez before Fernando decided to go.
Could Fernando see that he may not be able to use that as an excuse to jump ship for much longer, and could he possibly see his nose being put out of joint by the new kid on the block coming in and making him look second best?
Just a thought

regards
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Would we have signed Suarez if Torres stayed.

I'd suggest we wouldn't have. I think talks with Chelsea were on far earlier than suggested.
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It was said (by Torres) that he'd been talking to Chelsea for 10 days when he signed, but we were linked with Suarez for ages weren't we? The whole Suarez saga took weeks to sort out.
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Chelsea will have rang THE CUNT in December, we'd have known they were going to bid and we were going to lose him, so its only natural that we began talking to Ajax as early as possible.

I'm happy to be proven otherwise I just don't think we'd have spent £20m+ on Suarez had Torres stayed.

Didnt we make offer £14m odd to start with? I guess we possibly could have been in for him regardless at that price?
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Chelsea would have rang. But it wouldn't have been them ringing LFC. It would have been cunts agent.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=44552.msg1306920#msg1306920 date=1301395205]
Torres may have been talking to the Chavs that early but I doubt that we were (the whole thing seemed to come as a huge shock to the club when the news finally broke), and we'd wanted Suarez for a while anyway.

Now whether we'd have bought Carroll is another matter entirely.
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I think that's more or less it. FSG needed to make a statement of intent in their first window, so we would have gone for Suarez (maybe not for the eventual fee though, as H said). I doubt we'd have gone for Carroll though.
 
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