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I don't agree. He was loved here, and it meant something. I think Torres is actually a decent lad deep down and already misses swapping LFC for a club with a wallet where its heart ought to be. The fact that we're going to be as successful as they are in a year or two won't be helping him much either.
 
His head is so far up his own arse Jules. It's him first, team - whichever one it needs to be - second.

"the world cup wasn't a success for me"
"I'm now in a position to win the league and champions league. I didn't have that a month ago".

Collective success, team mentality, earning something, and paying your dues. Absolutely none of that applies to him. He *genuinely* feels he and his talent are owed success. And being rewarded with that success is to be given, not earned.

He's the worst kind of horrible modern footballer. He's perfect for that club too. Plastic deluded fans, plastic self absorbed captain, plastic clueless sycophantic owner.

I don't hate him. I just think he's a dick to be honest.
 
I can understand that, mate, but I don't completely buy it. He stayed with Atletico years after it became clear they were going nowhere special, with interest and (if one believes the media) offers coming in from clubs like ManUre long before he signed for us, and the stuff he's been coming out with lately looks to me like a pathetic attempt to post-rationalise a move which in his heart of hearts he didn't like making. He could of course have just told his agents to f'ck off, so he deserves plenty of the stick coming at him now, but I just don't think that's the whole story.
 
I never thought there'd be threads like this about Torres.
I still feel upset that he doesn't play for us anymore, I haven't reached the hate stage yet.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=44552.msg1299890#msg1299890 date=1300187923]
I can understand that, mate, but I don't completely buy it. He stayed with Atletico years after it became clear they were going nowhere special, with interest and (if one believes the media) offers coming in from clubs like ManUre long before he signed for us, and the stuff he's been coming out with lately looks to me like a pathetic attempt to post-rationalise a move which in his heart of hearts he didn't like making. He could of course have just told his agents to f'ck off, so he deserves plenty of the stick coming at him now, but I just don't think that's the whole story.
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yeah, i think there's something in that. i don't think it's as black and white as we'd like to think, really: as you say, he stayed at atletico for years out of what you can only assume was loyalty, and whatever his reasons for choosing LFC, money wasn't one of them as i think he took a pay cut to join us. i think he's acted disgracefully the last year or so, but as for him being the epitome of the modern mercenary footballer...not sure i buy that tbh.

people seem to overlook the fact that gerrard came within an ace of making exactly the same move, and imo for exactly the same reasons, and the club had far more of an emotional pull on him than it did on torres. true, he left atletico in the end, but i think it's fair to say that they were always more of a dead-end than we were in 2005, so i don't think it'd be fair to hold that against him relative to gerrard's flirtations with chelsea.

for the people who say it was all down to money, surely it follows that he'd have stayed had we offered an equivalent contract - that seems a bit unlikely to me.
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=44552.msg1299890#msg1299890 date=1300187923]
I can understand that, mate, but I don't completely buy it. He stayed with Atletico years after it became clear they were going nowhere special, with interest and (if one believes the media) offers coming in from clubs like ManUre long before he signed for us, and the stuff he's been coming out with lately looks to me like a pathetic attempt to post-rationalise a move which in his heart of hearts he didn't like making. He could of course have just told his agents to f'ck off, so he deserves plenty of the stick coming at him now, but I just don't think that's the whole story.
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yeah, i think there's something in that. i don't think it's as black and white as we'd like to think, really: as you say, he stayed at atletico for years out of what you can only assume was loyalty, and whatever his reasons for choosing LFC, money wasn't one of them as i think he took a pay cut to join us. i think he's acted disgracefully the last year or so, but as for him being the epitome of the modern mercenary footballer...not sure i buy that tbh.

people seem to overlook the fact that gerrard came within an ace of making exactly the same move, and imo for exactly the same reasons, and the club had far more of an emotional pull on him than it did on Torres. true, he left atletico in the end, but i think it's fair to say that they were always more of a dead-end than we were in 2005, so i don't think it'd be fair to hold that against him relative to gerrard's flirtations with chelsea.

for the people who say it was all down to money, surely it follows that he'd have stayed had we offered an equivalent contract - that seems a bit unlikely to me.
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I dont think anyone's that bitter about him leaving; but doing it 3 days before the window closed was shitty.
 
Not Torres proudest moment that.

Gladly I'm utterly convinced we're better of with Suarez and Carroll so bless him.
 
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[quote author=peterhague link=topic=44552.msg1299904#msg1299904 date=1300189836]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=44552.msg1299890#msg1299890 date=1300187923]
I can understand that, mate, but I don't completely buy it. He stayed with Atletico years after it became clear they were going nowhere special, with interest and (if one believes the media) offers coming in from clubs like ManUre long before he signed for us, and the stuff he's been coming out with lately looks to me like a pathetic attempt to post-rationalise a move which in his heart of hearts he didn't like making. He could of course have just told his agents to f'ck off, so he deserves plenty of the stick coming at him now, but I just don't think that's the whole story.
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yeah, i think there's something in that. i don't think it's as black and white as we'd like to think, really: as you say, he stayed at atletico for years out of what you can only assume was loyalty, and whatever his reasons for choosing LFC, money wasn't one of them as i think he took a pay cut to join us. i think he's acted disgracefully the last year or so, but as for him being the epitome of the modern mercenary footballer...not sure i buy that tbh.

people seem to overlook the fact that gerrard came within an ace of making exactly the same move, and imo for exactly the same reasons, and the club had far more of an emotional pull on him than it did on Torres. true, he left atletico in the end, but i think it's fair to say that they were always more of a dead-end than we were in 2005, so i don't think it'd be fair to hold that against him relative to gerrard's flirtations with chelsea.

for the people who say it was all down to money, surely it follows that he'd have stayed had we offered an equivalent contract - that seems a bit unlikely to me.
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I dont think anyone's that bitter about him leaving; but doing it 3 days before the window closed was shitty.
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Three days?. He left on deadline day with hours to spare
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44552.msg1299951#msg1299951 date=1300195523]
I'm not entirely sure the timing is all Fernando's fault.
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It was. As if the cunt didn't know they were gonna lash a bid in last minute. He'd known well before hand. If he was a decent non cunt he'd have said ok yeah but hows the summer sound? Thankfully he is a cunt and he fucked off in Jan. Good.

Suarez. Fuck yeah!

Carroll. Fuck yeah!

Torres. Fuckin keep stum.
 
Ross may have a point. There were rumours, and just rumours, that Liverpool delayed things to keep the medical last minute as he may have a problematic knee injury that could hamper the rest of his career. Of course it may just be bollocks
 
It's far fetched tho like. It seems more likely that if cuntski were gonna spend huge wedge then they'd want a 'Yes' from cunt long before anything was made public. Prob the same with Carroll. It's all linked an corrupt. Normally it's the club doing the tapping up that end up as the villian. This time it's cunt cos his mouth keeps showering shit at people.

Liverpool had off newcastles best striker last minute which is bang on for them but it's newcastle so whose really arsed? An that fat sports indirect bellends got 35 mil for some lanky goff with a girls hair cut. We came off as looking fair and understanding (paying over the odds) and hard done by (cos an 'idol' fucked off), Chelsea came off as fucking mongs as normal and cunt has come off as a bad moaning mardy lazy falling over cant score bellend.
 
I've been trying to get Google to translate Spaz, but it doesn't know what he's on about any more than I do.
 
[quote author=vantage link=topic=44552.msg1300006#msg1300006 date=1300203240]
I've been trying to get Google to translate Spaz, but it doesn't know what he's on about any more than I do.
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What bits dont you get?
 
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=44552.msg1299944#msg1299944 date=1300194932]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=44552.msg1299904#msg1299904 date=1300189836]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=44552.msg1299890#msg1299890 date=1300187923]
I can understand that, mate, but I don't completely buy it. He stayed with Atletico years after it became clear they were going nowhere special, with interest and (if one believes the media) offers coming in from clubs like ManUre long before he signed for us, and the stuff he's been coming out with lately looks to me like a pathetic attempt to post-rationalise a move which in his heart of hearts he didn't like making. He could of course have just told his agents to f'ck off, so he deserves plenty of the stick coming at him now, but I just don't think that's the whole story.
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yeah, i think there's something in that. i don't think it's as black and white as we'd like to think, really: as you say, he stayed at atletico for years out of what you can only assume was loyalty, and whatever his reasons for choosing LFC, money wasn't one of them as i think he took a pay cut to join us. i think he's acted disgracefully the last year or so, but as for him being the epitome of the modern mercenary footballer...not sure i buy that tbh.

people seem to overlook the fact that gerrard came within an ace of making exactly the same move, and imo for exactly the same reasons, and the club had far more of an emotional pull on him than it did on Torres. true, he left atletico in the end, but i think it's fair to say that they were always more of a dead-end than we were in 2005, so i don't think it'd be fair to hold that against him relative to gerrard's flirtations with chelsea.

for the people who say it was all down to money, surely it follows that he'd have stayed had we offered an equivalent contract - that seems a bit unlikely to me.
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I dont think anyone's that bitter about him leaving; but doing it 3 days before the window closed was shitty.
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of course, i didn't suggest otherwise.
 
[quote author=vantage link=topic=44552.msg1300006#msg1300006 date=1300203240]
I've been trying to get Google to translate QUADRASPAZ, but it doesn't know what he's on about any more than I do.
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Err please use my correct name. Not Spaz. Or Quad. QUADRASPAZ. With CAPS LOCK on.

English then yeah?

It's far fetched (Those torres and knee rumors) i think. It seems more likely that if chelsea were going spend a huge amount of money then they'd want a 'Yes' from Torres long before anything was made public. Probably the same thing happened with Carroll and us. It's all linked an corrupt. Normally it's the club doing the tapping up that end up as the villian. This time it's Torres cos he keep talking rubbish to the media.

Liverpool purchased Newcastles best striker at last minute leaving them in a shitty situation with no time to sort a replacement like we did. The owner of Newcastle and Sports Direct now has £35,000,000.00 from Carrolls sale. We came off as looking fair and understanding (paying over the odds) and hard done by (cos an 'idol' fucked off), Chelsea came off as fucking mongs as normal and Torres has come off as a bad moaning mardy lazy falling over cant score bellend.
 
Yeah I'm sure the day of his sale El Gimpo mentioned that he was aware of chelsea's interest for 10 days or so and then recently I think he said 20ish . Whatever , he and we knew of their interest for a while . Now I guess we only agreed to sell once he started throwing his toys from this pram and for whatever reason , be it not to be seen as a selling club , ambitions of the Europa league or champs league football etc, the club decided not to sell until they had a replacement. They obviously didn't want to sit on the money until summer and I think I saw mention that we became aware that a carroll deal could be done 2 or 3 days before the end of the window also so it was all just about haggling over prices and getting things tied up . We had more control and influence on the deal being done so late in the window than Torres did, we left him sitting around fretting and rightly so.

Actually I wonder if the club also used the impending torres money to finalise the Suarez deal . Obviously he was being looked at to play alongside Torres but the deal was dragging along for ages and we seemed to be bidding very low (10-12m) then suddenly it was done for quite a high fee of £22ish. Doesn't matter really I suppose .

But back to Torres , I don't think he's just about the money although obviously a hefty pay rise wasn't turned down . I think he's just like alot of footballers that get it into their head that they need to be selfish and it is all about winning , that when they hang up their boots they need to have lots of medals and honours or it wasn't worth it . So he panicked and wanted out asap . Now he's playing shite , not backed by their fans until he delivers the goods and is doing what he always does , sulks . fuck him and his stupid dog
 
Get this Torres, you're gonna get it with both barrels when you show up at Anfield with your new mates next season.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=44552.msg1299969#msg1299969 date=1300197605]
Ross may have a point. There were rumours, and just rumours, that Liverpool delayed things to keep the medical last minute as he may have a problematic knee injury that could hamper the rest of his career. Of course it may just be bollocks
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The other things is that according to Torres, Chelsea were in contact with us 12 days before the end of the window initially regarding Torres.

If they had ponied up straight away then it wouldn't have been a problem.
 
I do hope his knees fall apart. Ideally after months of not scoring
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=44552.msg1300073#msg1300073 date=1300211354]
Get this Torres, you're gonna get it with both barrels when you show up at Anfield with your new mates next season.
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The fucking bender will be injured.
 
I notice that todays media have it that Fernando is finding it difficult to settle in London and that Ancelotti's thought to be about to drop him.

It's not going well for that boy so far.
 
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[quote author=vantage link=topic=44552.msg1300006#msg1300006 date=1300203240]
I've been trying to get Google to translate QUADRASPAZ, but it doesn't know what he's on about any more than I do.
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Err please use my correct name. Not Spaz. Or Quad. QUADRASPAZ. With CAPS LOCK on.

English then yeah?

It's far fetched (Those Torres and knee rumors) i think. It seems more likely that if chelsea were going spend a huge amount of money then they'd want a 'Yes' from Torres long before anything was made public. Probably the same thing happened with Carroll and us. It's all linked an corrupt. Normally it's the club doing the tapping up that end up as the villian. This time it's Torres cos he keep talking rubbish to the media.

Liverpool purchased Newcastles best striker at last minute leaving them in a shitty situation with no time to sort a replacement like we did. The owner of Newcastle and Sports Direct now has £35,000,000.00 from Carrolls sale. We came off as looking fair and understanding (paying over the odds) and hard done by (cos an 'idol' fucked off), Chelsea came off as fucking mongs as normal and Torres has come off as a bad moaning mardy lazy falling over cant score bellend.
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Just couldn't quite keep it going till the end then. ;D
 
Carlo Ancelotti has offered an indication of just how integral Fernando Torres has become to Chelsea, despite a lack of goals, by admitting he will consider resting the Spaniard for Champions League tie against Copenhagen, with one eye fixed on Sunday's more daunting contest with Manchester City.

Torres has yet to score since his £50m move from Liverpool in January, despite starting all five matches for which he has been eligible, form which might have put his place in jeopardy anyway. But while a game against the Danish team would appear to represent a tantalising opportunity to break that duck, Ancelotti indicated he would prefer to keep the striker fresh in the knowledge that should Chelsea prevail at home to City, the champions would leapfrog them into third place.

Ancelotti's team already have a 2-0 lead in their Champions League tie against Copenhagen after the victory at Parken last month and while he made a point of insisting his side should guard against complacency, the manager is confident that they will prevail. "I will not say who will definitely play but maybe [Torres] will have a rest," said the Italian, who is also expected to rest Michael Essien. "I want to rotate in this game. My best team is not just 11 players. We have all the players fit – Yossi Benayoun will come back to train on Thursday, which is fantastic – and we want to use them as we prepare for this game and for Manchester City."

Copenhagen, only recently returned from their lengthy winter break and a side whose two league games since the resumption of the domestic campaign have produced a win and a first defeat of the season, might have granted Torres a chance to continue his adaptation to new team-mates and surroundings. The Spaniard has played with Didier Drogba, Nicolas Anelka – who has seven goals in Europe this term, including both in the first leg – and Salomon Kalou to date, showing only flashes of understanding with each.

Indeed, he has not scored a senior goal since Liverpool's 3-0 win at Wolves in January. "For me, it's not important that he's not scored yet," said Ancelotti. "Obviously we want our strikers to score. It's important for strikers to do that. But, in my opinion, he's played well for the team and has done what I asked him to do on the pitch.

"The only problem is that he's a new player for us and he has to know better our kind of play. He moves well and has had a lot of chances, and been unlucky sometimes. But he will score. He has grown quickly and doesn't have a problem."

Copenhagen, however, expect Torres to feature alongside Anelka tonight. "I'm 100% sure that Torres will play, and I also think that they will try to pass to him a lot," said the coach, Stale Solbakken. "Anelka didn't play the last game [at Blackpool] so I don't think it's a bad guess to say they will start this game together."

The Danes' task is daunting. Only two sides have ever progressed after losing the first leg at home – Ajax against Panathinaikos in the 1995-96 semi-final and Internazionale on Tuesday night – since the competition was revamped. That suggests Chelsea have virtually secured this tie, with their game on Sunday appearing more awkward. While Ancelotti has been publicly dismissive of Chelsea's chances of retaining the league title having slipped 15 points behind Manchester United last month, the leaders' recent stutter has seen that trimmed to nine points. Furthermore, they have a game in hand, against Birmingham City, and are yet to visit Old Trafford. "We cannot say goodbye to the title," Branislav Ivanovic said. "We have all our players fit, a good squad, and we have to use all our power to fight until the last moment in all competitions."

Yet, even if a title defence still feels unlikely, it is vital Chelsea secure a top-four finish this term – and qualification for the Champions League – with victory in their home games against City, against whom they have lost their last three games, and fifth-placed Tottenham considered critical in achieving that aim. Should their place in the top four be secured before the end of the season and the title still be out of their reach, then Ancelotti could potentially consider resting players ahead of key contests in the latter stages of the Champions League with his priorities switched.

Maintaining momentum is also key, with confidence flowing since they prevailed in Denmark. "Copenhagen was an important match for us to move on," added Ancelotti. "It gave us confidence, optimism, not just the result. We had a very good performance and were able to repeat that against United. I've said that, for two months, we were asleep but now we are ready to fight for the rest of the season. Our moment is good. So the turning point was the game in Copenhagen."
 
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