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Pepe Reina speculation

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[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44132.msg1283013#msg1283013 date=1297345117]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44132.msg1283012#msg1283012 date=1297344923]
I am now getting very worried about this in that there are no "it's a load of old bollix " noises from the club or Pepe as there should have been after nearly a week of speculation, and I am starting to lose a little bit of lurve for Pepe the longer there is no denial.
I expected Torres to go, not in the way he did, the time he did , or to who he did.
I would have bet my last pound on Pepe not jumping ship, two weeks ago. Sadly it is looking more and more likely.
How can we as Liverpool fans ever get close to, and trust players again when they treat us like they do?

regards
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He's been away with Spain so if there is no statement within the next 24 hours then its time to get worried. Hopefully when he gets back he'll make a statment saying he would never dream of playing for the Manc cunts.
 
Yep yep yep yep yep.....tried to tell 'em, I did.

Didn't listen, though, did they ?

Nope nope nope nope.....
 
It is all very worrying and potentially disappointing for those of us who believed Pepe's declaration of undying loyalty to the club in the summer.

However, looking for some positives, if he really does want out, at least there is a strong possibility for a bidding war for him and a record fee for a keeper.
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44132.msg1283013#msg1283013 date=1297345117]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44132.msg1283012#msg1283012 date=1297344923]
I am now getting very worried about this in that there are no "it's a load of old bollix " noises from the club or Pepe as there should have been after nearly a week of speculation, and I am starting to lose a little bit of lurve for Pepe the longer there is no denial.
I expected Torres to go, not in the way he did, the time he did , or to who he did.
I would have bet my last pound on Pepe not jumping ship, two weeks ago. Sadly it is looking more and more likely.
How can we as Liverpool fans ever get close to, and trust players again when they treat us like they do?

regards
[/quote]

We should kill a player for jumping ship. Make an example. That'll cut the shit right out.
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Only certain players though Doc

This does have an increasing sense of inevitability to it.
Even if he stays on the basis that he thinks we might be about to do something leaves huge question marks about the reasoning for his loyalty.
Like Kenny I only want players who want to be here, not ones that think they are doing us a fucking favour.
If there are any legs in this and Pepe does not clarify his position , he can fuck off with his mate as far as I am concerned and I don't give a fuck how much we get for him.
 
[quote author=Portly link=topic=44132.msg1283019#msg1283019 date=1297345554]
It is all very worrying and potentially disappointing for those of us who believed Pepe's declaration of undying loyalty to the club in the summer.

However, looking for some positives, if he really does want out, at least there is a strong possibility for a bidding war for him and a record fee for a keeper.
[/quote]

Not if a buyout clause is triggered
 
I just can't be arsed to worry based on speculation. I at least first want to hear what he says when the journos no doubt question him about it once he's back from international duty. And even if he goes I have no doubt Kenny and co. will get it right anyway,

Meh(for now).
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=44132.msg1282981#msg1282981 date=1297343148]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44132.msg1282972#msg1282972 date=1297342486]
the perception is if none of the reserves makes it to the first team then the reserves are a waste of money. that's not true, if we are buying kids building them up and selling them for a profit then the reserves has it place.
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plus it's just the very obvious and, imo, acceptable risk a club bears when investing in youth: footballers' development is unavoidably risky given the many imponderables determining any one player's chances of fulfilling their potential. the logic is that if you, for example, invest in 20 players at £1m each, then 10 will fail and draw nominal fees (say £2m in total), 6 will become adequate players but not of the required level and attract fees of perhaps £6m in total, 2 will reach their potential and be useful assets worth approximately £5m each, and 2 will exceed expectations and become very useful long-term assets worth, say, £10m each.

that would give a theoretical 'profit' of £18m (£38m - £20m) from a £20m outlay.
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great post as ever, pete.
 
if pepe goes we'll become more cynical but c'mon, if suso (for example) came into first team, ripped shit up and said 'this is my town and my team' we'd believe him, we'd eat it up hook line and sinker. why? because we're fans and fans are fickle.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44132.msg1283033#msg1283033 date=1297346672]
if pepe goes we'll become more cynical but c'mon, if suso (for example) came into first team, ripped shit up and said 'this is my town and my team' we'd believe him, we'd eat it up hook line and sinker. why? because we're fans and fans are fickle. gullible
[/quote]
 
This kind of thing is part and parcel of having top players though, isn't it? Arsenal live with it every summer with Fabregas and had to go through it with Viera and Henry. United had to go through it with Ronaldo when United were clearly a better team than Real. Even Rooney flirted with leaving United until he got his pay rise. So, it isn't just us this happens to.

I don't think we can really expect loyalty from players in the current era...
 
hopefully this is mostly down to him feeling down about torres, as they always seemed very close, and that, in time and with the clear signs of progress on and off the field we all expect between now and august, he'll settle down and commit himself to us. i didn't really understand torres' desire to go, given where we're going and chelsea's impending problems, but that applies far more to reina. he's got a solid 10 years ahead of him, you would have thought.
 
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=44132.msg1283027#msg1283027 date=1297345982]
[quote author=Portly link=topic=44132.msg1283019#msg1283019 date=1297345554]
It is all very worrying and potentially disappointing for those of us who believed Pepe's declaration of undying loyalty to the club in the summer.

However, looking for some positives, if he really does want out, at least there is a strong possibility for a bidding war for him and a record fee for a keeper.
[/quote]

Not if a buyout clause is triggered
[/quote]

The way I see it is it's a release clause and if a club bids at least that figure be it £20m or £35m is the point that triggers our having to sell, but it does not mean that is the fixed price and if higher bids are offered it's market forces that dictate the final price.

regards
 
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=44132.msg1283042#msg1283042 date=1297347190]
I still believe he's going to rubbish these links.
[/quote]

I hope so Avvy and that we are just feeling very fragile after what Torres has done to us

regards
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44132.msg1283051#msg1283051 date=1297348454]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=44132.msg1283027#msg1283027 date=1297345982]
[quote author=Portly link=topic=44132.msg1283019#msg1283019 date=1297345554]
It is all very worrying and potentially disappointing for those of us who believed Pepe's declaration of undying loyalty to the club in the summer.

However, looking for some positives, if he really does want out, at least there is a strong possibility for a bidding war for him and a record fee for a keeper.
[/quote]

Not if a buyout clause is triggered
[/quote]

The way I see it is it's a release clause and if a club bids at least that figure be it £20m or £35m is the point that triggers our having to sell, but it does not mean that is the fixed price and if higher bids are offered it's market forces that dictate the final price.

regards


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Is it though Vlad? if Reina only wanted to go to one of them we'd have to take the bid as long as it was for the minimum amount.
 
the point is that no-one in their right mind would bid MORE than the release clause, because any bid meeting it would be accepted. if utd bid £20m (if that's the release clause trigger) but he wanted to go to arsenal, there's no advantage to arsenal in bidding £25m, because a £20m bid would be adequate. you'd then have 2 bids accepted and reina making the decision. if man city also wanted to bid, then they could £20m and we wouldn't be at liberty to decline it. then there'd be 3 bids accepted, with reina choosing his preferred destination.

and so on and so on and so on.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44132.msg1283051#msg1283051 date=1297348454]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=44132.msg1283027#msg1283027 date=1297345982]
[quote author=Portly link=topic=44132.msg1283019#msg1283019 date=1297345554]
It is all very worrying and potentially disappointing for those of us who believed Pepe's declaration of undying loyalty to the club in the summer.

However, looking for some positives, if he really does want out, at least there is a strong possibility for a bidding war for him and a record fee for a keeper.
[/quote]

Not if a buyout clause is triggered
[/quote]

The way I see it is it's a release clause and if a club bids at least that figure be it £20m or £35m is the point that triggers our having to sell, but it does not mean that is the fixed price and if higher bids are offered it's market forces that dictate the final price.

regards


[/quote]

The way I see it is that if a club ( that the player wishes to transfer to) meets the amount of the clause, then it doesnt matter what anyone else offers. Thats what I was told when I suggested we keep Torres till the summer and start a bidding war. Maybe I took it up wrong
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44132.msg1283063#msg1283063 date=1297349238]
I have faith in Pepe, he would never screw us over.
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Think its just the two of us.
 
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=44132.msg1283061#msg1283061 date=1297349069]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44132.msg1283051#msg1283051 date=1297348454]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=44132.msg1283027#msg1283027 date=1297345982]
[quote author=Portly link=topic=44132.msg1283019#msg1283019 date=1297345554]
It is all very worrying and potentially disappointing for those of us who believed Pepe's declaration of undying loyalty to the club in the summer.

However, looking for some positives, if he really does want out, at least there is a strong possibility for a bidding war for him and a record fee for a keeper.
[/quote]

Not if a buyout clause is triggered
[/quote]

The way I see it is it's a release clause and if a club bids at least that figure be it £20m or £35m is the point that triggers our having to sell, but it does not mean that is the fixed price and if higher bids are offered it's market forces that dictate the final price.

regards


[/quote]

The way I see it is that if a club ( that the player wishes to transfer to) meets the amount of the clause, then it doesnt matter what anyone else offers. Thats what I was told when I suggested we keep Torres till the summer and start a bidding war. Maybe I took it up wrong
[/quote]

yes, that's the way the others see it, which has some logic, we will have to see

regards
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44132.msg1283063#msg1283063 date=1297349238]
I have faith in Pepe, he would never screw us over.
[/quote]

Ha. Sarcasm?
 
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