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Pepe Reina speculation
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What's the highest fee ever paid for a goalkeeper? I'd be really surprised if we got more than 25m for him.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=44132.msg1282773#msg1282773 date=1297292980]
I don't think he'll go to United but I think that Arsenal is a real possibility.
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Hang on Mr S. you said he was not going anywhere at the start of this thread, have things changed?
regards
I don't think he'll go to United but I think that Arsenal is a real possibility.
[/quote]
Hang on Mr S. you said he was not going anywhere at the start of this thread, have things changed?
regards
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the_khl
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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=44132.msg1282885#msg1282885 date=1297330646]
What's the highest fee ever paid for a goalkeeper? I'd be really surprised if we got more than 25m for him.
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Buffon was rather expensive when he moved from Parma to Juve I reckon?
Could just wiki it but I'm too lazy.
What's the highest fee ever paid for a goalkeeper? I'd be really surprised if we got more than 25m for him.
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Buffon was rather expensive when he moved from Parma to Juve I reckon?
Could just wiki it but I'm too lazy.
T
the_khl
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[quote author=themn link=topic=44132.msg1282890#msg1282890 date=1297330987]
Buffon, £32.6M.
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And he was/is worth every penny.
Buffon, £32.6M.
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And he was/is worth every penny.
[quote author=KHL link=topic=44132.msg1282896#msg1282896 date=1297331709]
[quote author=themn link=topic=44132.msg1282890#msg1282890 date=1297330987]
Buffon, £32.6M.
[/quote]
And he was/is worth every penny.
[/quote]
as reina would be at £40m. how many trophies have arsenal missed out on because of their crazy GK situation? how long did utd search for a replacement for schmeichal for? and even then had to resort to a 35 year old VDS.
it's about time we stopped this dopey thinking that keepers 'just aren't worth as much'. they're a very scarce resource, and few teams win titles without a really good one. reina's 28, world class, and a wonderfully natural leader.
he's worth £40m, absolutely no doubt about it.
[quote author=themn link=topic=44132.msg1282890#msg1282890 date=1297330987]
Buffon, £32.6M.
[/quote]
And he was/is worth every penny.
[/quote]
as reina would be at £40m. how many trophies have arsenal missed out on because of their crazy GK situation? how long did utd search for a replacement for schmeichal for? and even then had to resort to a 35 year old VDS.
it's about time we stopped this dopey thinking that keepers 'just aren't worth as much'. they're a very scarce resource, and few teams win titles without a really good one. reina's 28, world class, and a wonderfully natural leader.
he's worth £40m, absolutely no doubt about it.
That Buffon fee is really exceptional though. I can't remember any other goalkeeper being bought for more 10m. Even Cech, during Chelsea's big-spending early days, only cost 7m.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=44132.msg1282910#msg1282910 date=1297335311]
That Buffon fee is really exceptional though. I can't remember any other goalkeeper being bought for more 10m. Even Cech, during Chelsea's big-spending early days, only cost 7m.
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Yep, Peruzzi went for just over £10m but that's it. Then again top class 'keepers don't seem to be transferred between big clubs that often are they? Probably because everyone knows replacing one would be so hard.
Anything under £35m for Pepe would be selling him on the cheap. I'm far from convinced we are even contemplating selling him though.
That Buffon fee is really exceptional though. I can't remember any other goalkeeper being bought for more 10m. Even Cech, during Chelsea's big-spending early days, only cost 7m.
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Yep, Peruzzi went for just over £10m but that's it. Then again top class 'keepers don't seem to be transferred between big clubs that often are they? Probably because everyone knows replacing one would be so hard.
Anything under £35m for Pepe would be selling him on the cheap. I'm far from convinced we are even contemplating selling him though.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=44132.msg1282910#msg1282910 date=1297335311]
That Buffon fee is really exceptional though. I can't remember any other goalkeeper being bought for more 10m. Even Cech, during Chelsea's big-spending early days, only cost 7m.
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it's an exceptional fee for an exceptional transfer.
reina to utd/arsenal would, among other things, be an exceptional transfer.
That Buffon fee is really exceptional though. I can't remember any other goalkeeper being bought for more 10m. Even Cech, during Chelsea's big-spending early days, only cost 7m.
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it's an exceptional fee for an exceptional transfer.
reina to utd/arsenal would, among other things, be an exceptional transfer.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44132.msg1282927#msg1282927 date=1297337994]
Why not save the money and promote one of the 237 goalkeepers we've got in the reserves.
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And why does someone always have to ask this question?
Why not save the money and promote one of the 237 goalkeepers we've got in the reserves.
[/quote]
And why does someone always have to ask this question?
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=44132.msg1282900#msg1282900 date=1297333261]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=44132.msg1282896#msg1282896 date=1297331709]
[quote author=themn link=topic=44132.msg1282890#msg1282890 date=1297330987]
Buffon, £32.6M.
[/quote]
And he was/is worth every penny.
[/quote]
as reina would be at £40m. how many trophies have arsenal missed out on because of their crazy GK situation? how long did utd search for a replacement for schmeichal for? and even then had to resort to a 35 year old VDS.
it's about time we stopped this dopey thinking that keepers 'just aren't worth as much'. they're a very scarce resource, and few teams win titles without a really good one. reina's 28, world class, and a wonderfully natural leader.
he's worth £40m, absolutely no doubt about it.
[/quote]
agreed, pete. but it's not what pepe is 'worth' it's how much we will GET especially if there is an escape clause in this contract.
[quote author=KHL link=topic=44132.msg1282896#msg1282896 date=1297331709]
[quote author=themn link=topic=44132.msg1282890#msg1282890 date=1297330987]
Buffon, £32.6M.
[/quote]
And he was/is worth every penny.
[/quote]
as reina would be at £40m. how many trophies have arsenal missed out on because of their crazy GK situation? how long did utd search for a replacement for schmeichal for? and even then had to resort to a 35 year old VDS.
it's about time we stopped this dopey thinking that keepers 'just aren't worth as much'. they're a very scarce resource, and few teams win titles without a really good one. reina's 28, world class, and a wonderfully natural leader.
he's worth £40m, absolutely no doubt about it.
[/quote]
agreed, pete. but it's not what pepe is 'worth' it's how much we will GET especially if there is an escape clause in this contract.
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=44132.msg1282930#msg1282930 date=1297338161]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44132.msg1282927#msg1282927 date=1297337994]
Why not save the money and promote one of the 237 goalkeepers we've got in the reserves.
[/quote]
And why does someone always have to ask this question?
[/quote]
Cause no one feels like reading the entire bullshit thread.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44132.msg1282927#msg1282927 date=1297337994]
Why not save the money and promote one of the 237 goalkeepers we've got in the reserves.
[/quote]
And why does someone always have to ask this question?
[/quote]
Cause no one feels like reading the entire bullshit thread.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44132.msg1282936#msg1282936 date=1297338768]
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=44132.msg1282930#msg1282930 date=1297338161]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44132.msg1282927#msg1282927 date=1297337994]
Why not save the money and promote one of the 237 goalkeepers we've got in the reserves.
[/quote]
And why does someone always have to ask this question?
[/quote]
Cause no one feels like reading the entire bullshit thread.
[/quote]
No I mean always when there is talk about our 'keepers. Do you really think one of our reserves is up to replacing Pepe even adequately?
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=44132.msg1282930#msg1282930 date=1297338161]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44132.msg1282927#msg1282927 date=1297337994]
Why not save the money and promote one of the 237 goalkeepers we've got in the reserves.
[/quote]
And why does someone always have to ask this question?
[/quote]
Cause no one feels like reading the entire bullshit thread.
[/quote]
No I mean always when there is talk about our 'keepers. Do you really think one of our reserves is up to replacing Pepe even adequately?
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44132.msg1282932#msg1282932 date=1297338664]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=44132.msg1282900#msg1282900 date=1297333261]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=44132.msg1282896#msg1282896 date=1297331709]
[quote author=themn link=topic=44132.msg1282890#msg1282890 date=1297330987]
Buffon, £32.6M.
[/quote]
And he was/is worth every penny.
[/quote]
as reina would be at £40m. how many trophies have arsenal missed out on because of their crazy GK situation? how long did utd search for a replacement for schmeichal for? and even then had to resort to a 35 year old VDS.
it's about time we stopped this dopey thinking that keepers 'just aren't worth as much'. they're a very scarce resource, and few teams win titles without a really good one. reina's 28, world class, and a wonderfully natural leader.
he's worth £40m, absolutely no doubt about it.
[/quote]
agreed, pete. but it's not what pepe is 'worth' it's how much we will GET especially if there is an escape clause in this contract.
[/quote]
totally mate - see my previous post lambasting purslow! hopefully tony barret's right about the £35m clause.
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=44132.msg1282900#msg1282900 date=1297333261]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=44132.msg1282896#msg1282896 date=1297331709]
[quote author=themn link=topic=44132.msg1282890#msg1282890 date=1297330987]
Buffon, £32.6M.
[/quote]
And he was/is worth every penny.
[/quote]
as reina would be at £40m. how many trophies have arsenal missed out on because of their crazy GK situation? how long did utd search for a replacement for schmeichal for? and even then had to resort to a 35 year old VDS.
it's about time we stopped this dopey thinking that keepers 'just aren't worth as much'. they're a very scarce resource, and few teams win titles without a really good one. reina's 28, world class, and a wonderfully natural leader.
he's worth £40m, absolutely no doubt about it.
[/quote]
agreed, pete. but it's not what pepe is 'worth' it's how much we will GET especially if there is an escape clause in this contract.
[/quote]
totally mate - see my previous post lambasting purslow! hopefully tony barret's right about the £35m clause.
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=44132.msg1282938#msg1282938 date=1297339286]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44132.msg1282936#msg1282936 date=1297338768]
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=44132.msg1282930#msg1282930 date=1297338161]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44132.msg1282927#msg1282927 date=1297337994]
Why not save the money and promote one of the 237 goalkeepers we've got in the reserves.
[/quote]
And why does someone always have to ask this question?
[/quote]
Cause no one feels like reading the entire bullshit thread.
[/quote]
No I mean always when there is talk about our 'keepers. Do you really think one of our reserves is up to replacing Pepe even adequately?
[/quote]
Why do we buy them then?
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44132.msg1282936#msg1282936 date=1297338768]
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=44132.msg1282930#msg1282930 date=1297338161]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44132.msg1282927#msg1282927 date=1297337994]
Why not save the money and promote one of the 237 goalkeepers we've got in the reserves.
[/quote]
And why does someone always have to ask this question?
[/quote]
Cause no one feels like reading the entire bullshit thread.
[/quote]
No I mean always when there is talk about our 'keepers. Do you really think one of our reserves is up to replacing Pepe even adequately?
[/quote]
Why do we buy them then?
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=44132.msg1282941#msg1282941 date=1297339773]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44132.msg1282932#msg1282932 date=1297338664]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=44132.msg1282900#msg1282900 date=1297333261]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=44132.msg1282896#msg1282896 date=1297331709]
[quote author=themn link=topic=44132.msg1282890#msg1282890 date=1297330987]
Buffon, £32.6M.
[/quote]
And he was/is worth every penny.
[/quote]
as reina would be at £40m. how many trophies have arsenal missed out on because of their crazy GK situation? how long did utd search for a replacement for schmeichal for? and even then had to resort to a 35 year old VDS.
it's about time we stopped this dopey thinking that keepers 'just aren't worth as much'. they're a very scarce resource, and few teams win titles without a really good one. reina's 28, world class, and a wonderfully natural leader.
he's worth £40m, absolutely no doubt about it.
[/quote]
agreed, pete. but it's not what pepe is 'worth' it's how much we will GET especially if there is an escape clause in this contract.
[/quote]
totally mate - see my previous post lambasting purslow! hopefully tony barret's right about the £35m clause.
[/quote]
if the clause is 35m rather than 20m then purslow isn't completely useless afterall.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44132.msg1282932#msg1282932 date=1297338664]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=44132.msg1282900#msg1282900 date=1297333261]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=44132.msg1282896#msg1282896 date=1297331709]
[quote author=themn link=topic=44132.msg1282890#msg1282890 date=1297330987]
Buffon, £32.6M.
[/quote]
And he was/is worth every penny.
[/quote]
as reina would be at £40m. how many trophies have arsenal missed out on because of their crazy GK situation? how long did utd search for a replacement for schmeichal for? and even then had to resort to a 35 year old VDS.
it's about time we stopped this dopey thinking that keepers 'just aren't worth as much'. they're a very scarce resource, and few teams win titles without a really good one. reina's 28, world class, and a wonderfully natural leader.
he's worth £40m, absolutely no doubt about it.
[/quote]
agreed, pete. but it's not what pepe is 'worth' it's how much we will GET especially if there is an escape clause in this contract.
[/quote]
totally mate - see my previous post lambasting purslow! hopefully tony barret's right about the £35m clause.
[/quote]
if the clause is 35m rather than 20m then purslow isn't completely useless afterall.
[quote author=SaRed link=topic=44132.msg1282942#msg1282942 date=1297340006]
Why do we buy them then?
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'Cos the reserves need a couple keepers and hopefully one or two turn out to be good enough to flog for a bit of cash to another team.
Plus there is always the chance of a revelation like A.Madrid experienced with De Gea.
Why do we buy them then?
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'Cos the reserves need a couple keepers and hopefully one or two turn out to be good enough to flog for a bit of cash to another team.
Plus there is always the chance of a revelation like A.Madrid experienced with De Gea.
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44132.msg1282887#msg1282887 date=1297330774]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=44132.msg1282773#msg1282773 date=1297292980]
I don't think he'll go to United but I think that Arsenal is a real possibility.
[/quote]
Hang on Mr S. you said he was not going anywhere at the start of this thread, have things changed?
regards
[/quote]
Yeh, I heard a proper translation of his interview. Bit worrying really and was talking highly of Arsenal and the football they play as well as stating he wants to play in the CL
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=44132.msg1282773#msg1282773 date=1297292980]
I don't think he'll go to United but I think that Arsenal is a real possibility.
[/quote]
Hang on Mr S. you said he was not going anywhere at the start of this thread, have things changed?
regards
[/quote]
Yeh, I heard a proper translation of his interview. Bit worrying really and was talking highly of Arsenal and the football they play as well as stating he wants to play in the CL
[quote author=keniget link=topic=44132.msg1282950#msg1282950 date=1297340874]
[quote author=SaRed link=topic=44132.msg1282942#msg1282942 date=1297340006]
Why do we buy them then?
[/quote]
'Cos the reserves need a couple keepers and hopefully one or two turn out to be good enough to flog for a bit of cash to another team.
Plus there is always the chance of a revelation like A.Madrid experienced with De Gea.
[/quote]
Exactly.
[quote author=SaRed link=topic=44132.msg1282942#msg1282942 date=1297340006]
Why do we buy them then?
[/quote]
'Cos the reserves need a couple keepers and hopefully one or two turn out to be good enough to flog for a bit of cash to another team.
Plus there is always the chance of a revelation like A.Madrid experienced with De Gea.
[/quote]
Exactly.
the perception is if none of the reserves makes it to the first team then the reserves are a waste of money. that's not true, if we are buying kids building them up and selling them for a profit then the reserves has it place.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44132.msg1282972#msg1282972 date=1297342486]
the perception is if none of the reserves makes it to the first team then the reserves are a waste of money. that's not true, if we are buying kids building them up and selling them for a profit then the reserves has it place.
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plus it's just the very obvious and, imo, acceptable risk a club bears when investing in youth: footballers' development is unavoidably risky given the many imponderables determining any one player's chances of fulfilling their potential. the logic is that if you, for example, invest in 20 players at £1m each, then 10 will fail and draw nominal fees (say £2m in total), 6 will become adequate players but not of the required level and attract fees of perhaps £6m in total, 2 will reach their potential and be useful assets worth approximately £5m each, and 2 will exceed expectations and become very useful long-term assets worth, say, £10m each.
that would give a theoretical 'profit' of £18m (£38m - £20m) from a £20m outlay.
the perception is if none of the reserves makes it to the first team then the reserves are a waste of money. that's not true, if we are buying kids building them up and selling them for a profit then the reserves has it place.
[/quote]
plus it's just the very obvious and, imo, acceptable risk a club bears when investing in youth: footballers' development is unavoidably risky given the many imponderables determining any one player's chances of fulfilling their potential. the logic is that if you, for example, invest in 20 players at £1m each, then 10 will fail and draw nominal fees (say £2m in total), 6 will become adequate players but not of the required level and attract fees of perhaps £6m in total, 2 will reach their potential and be useful assets worth approximately £5m each, and 2 will exceed expectations and become very useful long-term assets worth, say, £10m each.
that would give a theoretical 'profit' of £18m (£38m - £20m) from a £20m outlay.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=44132.msg1282952#msg1282952 date=1297341042]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44132.msg1282887#msg1282887 date=1297330774]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=44132.msg1282773#msg1282773 date=1297292980]
I don't think he'll go to United but I think that Arsenal is a real possibility.
[/quote]
Hang on Mr S. you said he was not going anywhere at the start of this thread, have things changed?
regards
[/quote]
Yeh, I heard a proper translation of his interview. Bit worrying really and was talking highly of Arsenal and the football they play as well as stating he wants to play in the CL
[/quote]
Should someone point out to him that they haven't won anything for even longer than us? That would be a weird move for Reina, if true.
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44132.msg1282887#msg1282887 date=1297330774]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=44132.msg1282773#msg1282773 date=1297292980]
I don't think he'll go to United but I think that Arsenal is a real possibility.
[/quote]
Hang on Mr S. you said he was not going anywhere at the start of this thread, have things changed?
regards
[/quote]
Yeh, I heard a proper translation of his interview. Bit worrying really and was talking highly of Arsenal and the football they play as well as stating he wants to play in the CL
[/quote]
Should someone point out to him that they haven't won anything for even longer than us? That would be a weird move for Reina, if true.
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=44132.msg1282981#msg1282981 date=1297343148]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44132.msg1282972#msg1282972 date=1297342486]
the perception is if none of the reserves makes it to the first team then the reserves are a waste of money. that's not true, if we are buying kids building them up and selling them for a profit then the reserves has it place.
[/quote]
plus it's just the very obvious and, imo, acceptable risk a club bears when investing in youth: footballers' development is unavoidably risky given the many imponderables determining any one player's chances of fulfilling their potential. the logic is that if you, for example, invest in 20 players at £1m each, then 10 will fail and draw nominal fees (say £2m in total), 6 will become adequate players but not of the required level and attract fees of perhaps £6m in total, 2 will reach their potential and be useful assets worth approximately £5m each, and 2 will exceed expectations and become very useful long-term assets worth, say, £10m each.
that would give a theoretical 'profit' of £18m (£38m - £20m) from a £20m outlay.
[/quote]
That's actually a decent shout; though I think it'd be better if clubs appointed people specifically for that.
Not sure if the manager should be concerned with buying 30 players in the hope that a few become stars and the rest can be sold for profits.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44132.msg1282972#msg1282972 date=1297342486]
the perception is if none of the reserves makes it to the first team then the reserves are a waste of money. that's not true, if we are buying kids building them up and selling them for a profit then the reserves has it place.
[/quote]
plus it's just the very obvious and, imo, acceptable risk a club bears when investing in youth: footballers' development is unavoidably risky given the many imponderables determining any one player's chances of fulfilling their potential. the logic is that if you, for example, invest in 20 players at £1m each, then 10 will fail and draw nominal fees (say £2m in total), 6 will become adequate players but not of the required level and attract fees of perhaps £6m in total, 2 will reach their potential and be useful assets worth approximately £5m each, and 2 will exceed expectations and become very useful long-term assets worth, say, £10m each.
that would give a theoretical 'profit' of £18m (£38m - £20m) from a £20m outlay.
[/quote]
That's actually a decent shout; though I think it'd be better if clubs appointed people specifically for that.
Not sure if the manager should be concerned with buying 30 players in the hope that a few become stars and the rest can be sold for profits.
I am now getting very worried about this in that there are no "it's a load of old bollix " noises from the club or Pepe as there should have been after nearly a week of speculation, and I am starting to lose a little bit of lurve for Pepe the longer there is no denial.
I expected Torres to go, not in the way he did, the time he did , or to who he did.
I would have bet my last pound on Pepe not jumping ship, two weeks ago. Sadly it is looking more and more likely.
How can we as Liverpool fans ever get close to, and trust players again when they treat us like they do?
regards
I expected Torres to go, not in the way he did, the time he did , or to who he did.
I would have bet my last pound on Pepe not jumping ship, two weeks ago. Sadly it is looking more and more likely.
How can we as Liverpool fans ever get close to, and trust players again when they treat us like they do?
regards
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44132.msg1283012#msg1283012 date=1297344923]
I am now getting very worried about this in that there are no "it's a load of old bollix " noises from the club or Pepe as there should have been after nearly a week of speculation, and I am starting to lose a little bit of lurve for Pepe the longer there is no denial.
I expected Torres to go, not in the way he did, the time he did , or to who he did.
I would have bet my last pound on Pepe not jumping ship, two weeks ago. Sadly it is looking more and more likely.
How can we as Liverpool fans ever get close to, and trust players again when they treat us like they do?
regards
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We should kill a player for jumping ship. Make an example. That'll cut the shit right out.
I am now getting very worried about this in that there are no "it's a load of old bollix " noises from the club or Pepe as there should have been after nearly a week of speculation, and I am starting to lose a little bit of lurve for Pepe the longer there is no denial.
I expected Torres to go, not in the way he did, the time he did , or to who he did.
I would have bet my last pound on Pepe not jumping ship, two weeks ago. Sadly it is looking more and more likely.
How can we as Liverpool fans ever get close to, and trust players again when they treat us like they do?
regards
[/quote]
We should kill a player for jumping ship. Make an example. That'll cut the shit right out.
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