Pellegrini Set To Be Unveiled as Next Liverpool FC Manager

[Shadey]

[quote author=Terrier link=topic=40663.msg1123528#msg1123528 date=1276947296]
*Awaits someone to mention how he still didn't win the title despite spending a quarter of a billion euros...in 2 months*
[/quote]It did cross my mind but he was unlucky at not winning with 96 points.

 

[Insignificance]

[quote author=Doped White Mouse link=topic=40663.msg1123493#msg1123493 date=1276941215]
I don't like the thought of yet another La Liga manager coming here and understanding nothing about the Premier League. I think we're wasting more time, money and nerves on this one.

We really need to have a British manager now.
[/quote]

And aside from Alex Ferguson, which british manager have won anything at all the last decade.

 

[King Binny]

[quote author=FPI Project link=topic=40663.msg1123530#msg1123530 date=1276947486]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=40663.msg1123528#msg1123528 date=1276947296]
*Awaits someone to mention how he still didn't win the title despite spending a quarter of a billion euros...in 2 months*
[/quote]It did cross my mind but he was unlucky at not winning with 96 points.
[/quote]

Yeah and Barca's 99 and RM's 96 smashed the previous highest points tally in the Primera Division, set by Barça in 08/09 season with 87. "Real have already broken the record for most wins in a season, their 31 beating the record of 28 set by themselves in 1987-88"

 

[Insignificance]

[quote author=Binny link=topic=40663.msg1123535#msg1123535 date=1276947784]
[quote author=FPI Project link=topic=40663.msg1123530#msg1123530 date=1276947486]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=40663.msg1123528#msg1123528 date=1276947296]
*Awaits someone to mention how he still didn't win the title despite spending a quarter of a billion euros...in 2 months*
[/quote]It did cross my mind but he was unlucky at not winning with 96 points.
[/quote]

Yeah and Barca's 99 and RM's 96 smashed the previous highest points tally in the Primera Division, set by Barça in 08/09 season with 87. "Real have already broken the record for most wins in a season, their 31 beating the record of 28 set by themselves in 1987-88"

[/quote]

To be fair to Pellegrini he had no problems benching any star to play inform players who fitted his system.

 

[Terrier]

I'm ok with him. Maybe he'll tap up Xabi...and a few fringe Real players who get mentioned on here all the time.

 

[King Binny]

[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=40663.msg1123538#msg1123538 date=1276947843]
[quote author=Binny link=topic=40663.msg1123535#msg1123535 date=1276947784]
[quote author=FPI Project link=topic=40663.msg1123530#msg1123530 date=1276947486]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=40663.msg1123528#msg1123528 date=1276947296]
*Awaits someone to mention how he still didn't win the title despite spending a quarter of a billion euros...in 2 months*
[/quote]It did cross my mind but he was unlucky at not winning with 96 points.
[/quote]

Yeah and Barca's 99 and RM's 96 smashed the previous highest points tally in the Primera Division, set by Barça in 08/09 season with 87. "Real have already broken the record for most wins in a season, their 31 beating the record of 28 set by themselves in 1987-88"

[/quote]

To be fair to Pellegrini he had no problems benching any star to play inform players who fitted his system.
[/quote]

Agreed. Higuain ahead of Benzema despite the latter's huge price tag was a justified move.

 

[kingjulian]

If we were looking at someone that came closest to running the club like Wenger does at Arsenal, i think we have found our man.

He will be good at bringing youngsters through, and also getting players on a budget and still achieve a result.

 

[Shadey]

So i wonder when we'll be hearing this in the papers..

 

[The Slugmonster]

[quote author=Terrier link=topic=40663.msg1123543#msg1123543 date=1276948207]
I'm ok with him. Maybe he'll tap up Xabi...and a few fringe Real players who get mentioned on here all the time.

[/quote]

Yay, the Van Der Vaart to liverpool saga can finally come to an end after all these summers.

 

[RolandG]

My first choice is King Kenny simply because of his pedigree and love for the club. He could teach the players the value of the jersey like no other before! I don't buy the story that he has been out of the game. Football is a simple game.

Pellegrini will do nicely compared to some of the average names linked with the club!

 

[FoxForceFive]

[quote author=RolandG link=topic=40663.msg1123568#msg1123568 date=1276952526]
My first choice is King Kenny simply because of his pedigree and love for the club. He could teach the players the value of the jersey like no other before! I don't buy the story that he has been out of the game. Football is a simple game.

Pellegrini will do nicely compared to some of the average names linked with the club!
[/quote]

So you want Kenny & Pellegrini?

 

[Hansern]

Pellegrini got fired after getting 96 points and winning 80 % of all games.

That is, to be fair, ridiculous.

Pellegrini is excellent at signing the right players, fantastic at getting in talented young players and getting the best out of them. And has always worked on a pretty small budget.

I hope to God, that his appointment is followed by the news about some new owners.

 

[Shadey]

[quote author=Hansern link=topic=40663.msg1123572#msg1123572 date=1276953582]
Pellegrini got fired after getting 96 points and winning 80 % of all games.

That is, to be fair, ridiculous.

Pellegrini is excellent at signing the right players, fantastic at getting in talented young players and getting the best out of them. And has always worked on a pretty small budget.

I hope to God, that his appointment is followed by the news about some new owners.
[/quote] Except for last season where he had £309,0000,0000,0000 to spend..

 

[Judge Jules]

Hansern, he hasn't done any of that (or anything else for that matter) in this country. And how much has he won?

If we appoint this guy, whatever may be said in his favour, we're settling for what we can get instead of holding out for someone we genuinely want. I'll support him if he gets the job, but I really don't like the message this gives out about how we as a club see ourselves.

 

[Squiggles]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40663.msg1123588#msg1123588 date=1276956557]
Hansern, he hasn't done any of that (or anything else for that matter) in this country. And how much has he won?

If we appoint this guy, whatever may be said in his favour, we're settling for what we can get instead of holding out for someone we genuinely want. I'll support him if he gets the job, but I really don't like the message this gives out about how we as a club see ourselves.
[/quote]

How does the club see itself if we fail to appoint Dalglish?

As a club who wants a manager who has managed a football match in the last ten years? The pro Dalglish camp have been quick to resort to scaremongering and exaggeration ever since Benitez got fired. I think it's all a bit odd.

 

[Red Mullet]

[quote author=Terrier link=topic=40663.msg1123528#msg1123528 date=1276947296]
*Awaits someone to mention how he still didn't win the title despite spending a quarter of a billion euros...in 2 months*
[/quote]

*Awaits someone to mention that at Real Madrid, the manager doesn't really control the transfers...at any time*

 

[Judge Jules]

Squiggs, I've no time for the more colourful suggestions for reasons not to appoint the King, but neither does the "managed a football match in the last ten years" bit make sense. It would probably include a fair few of us FFS and the many positive reasons for appointing the King have been well canvassed on here. I'll also take the King's own judgment on whether he could do the job over those of internet posters or boardroom suits any day of the week. Presumably the club would too, seeing as they asked him to help find the next manager.

 

[Hansern]

But the same could be said about Wenger no? One title in France (87)and one in Japan, that didn't exactly fill the Arsenal supporters with confidence did it?
Still he got Arsenal a 3rd place in his first season, and won the double in his second.

Getting a foregin manager is always risk, but this guy is no Juande Ramos. He has been in the CL and been hughely successfull if you look at what Villareal acutally accomplished.

Settling for a British manager that isn't good enough isn't the way forward. Hodgson could do a decent job, Dalglish is an even more uncertain card as he hasn't managed a team for a decade. Should we settle for that just to get a British manager. I like Hodgson, but 3 wins away from home in 38 games is FUCKING RIDICULOUS.

No, we need a top manager. Nationality shouldn't decide for or against the person that is most suited for the job.
Out of the shortlist that is availeble and wants to join us, Pellegrini stands out, easy.

We all want Hiddink, Van Gaal or Mourinho. But that won't happen.

 

[Avmenon]

[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=40663.msg1123594#msg1123594 date=1276957145]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=40663.msg1123528#msg1123528 date=1276947296]
*Awaits someone to mention how he still didn't win the title despite spending a quarter of a billion euros...in 2 months*
[/quote]

*Awaits someone to mention that at Real Madrid, the manager doesn't really control the transfers...at any time*
[/quote]

If we're going to insist on getting a manager that has as good a track record as Rafa, we'll have to wait until Real sacks Mourinho.

 

[Insignificance]

[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=40663.msg1123594#msg1123594 date=1276957145]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=40663.msg1123528#msg1123528 date=1276947296]
*Awaits someone to mention how he still didn't win the title despite spending a quarter of a billion euros...in 2 months*
[/quote]

*Awaits someone to mention that at Real Madrid, the manager doesn't really control the transfers...at any time*
[/quote]

Real Madrid is a silly club. Capello got fired twice after winning the title because they didnt play attacking enough. Del Bosque got fired after winning allmost everything, as he wasnt fancy enough to guide the "galacticos". Jupp Heynckes got fired after he brought them the first CL in modern times. John Toschack have been fired three times. That is probably not ridicoulous, but it still mean he was hired three times which is fucking silly.

 

[Judge Jules]

Hansern, we shouldn't "settle" for anybody for any reason. We should appoint someone we really want.

Taking the names you mention at the end of your post: Mourinho's gone (for now at least), Hiddink likewise and I wouldn't want Van Gaal, who has many qualities but IMO is exactly the wrong type of manager for a club in turmoil like we currently are, since he tends to stir up a fair amount of it himself (though once we're back on our feet again things might be different). That's exactly why an interim appointment would make good sense, and the King would be perfect for that.

The "hasn't managed a team for a decade" stuff is irrelevant. Kenny thinks he can do it, none of those saying otherwise are qualified to disagree with him and the whole place would get an enormous boost if he got it. Nationality shouldn't count, but lack of experience in English football certainly should. It takes a VERY special candidate indeed to get over the lack of that. Pellegrini just does not convince me as being such a candidate.

 

[Insignificance]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40663.msg1123627#msg1123627 date=1276959078]
Hansern, we shouldn't "settle" for anybody for any reason. We should appoint someone we really want.

Taking the names you mention at the end of your post: Mourinho's gone (for now at least), Hiddink likewise and I wouldn't want Van Gaal, who has many qualities but IMO is exactly the wrong type of manager for a club in turmoil like we currently are, since he tends to stir up a fair amount of it himself (though once we're back on our feet again things might be different). That's exactly why an interim appointment would make good sense, and the King would be perfect for that.
The "hasn't managed a team for a decade" stuff is irrelevant. Kenny thinks he can do it, none of those saying otherwise are qualified to disagree with him and the whole place would get an enormous boost if he got it. Nationality shouldn't count, but lack of experience in English football certainly should. It takes a VERY special candidate indeed to get over the lack of that. Pellegrini just does not convince me as being such a candidate.
[/quote]

To me it looks like you suggest that Kenny should only function for a given time no matter how Liverpool did?

 

[Judge Jules]

I would start off working on that assumption, yes, not least because I don't think the man himself would want the job on a permanent basis. His appointment would last until new owners come in and we can appoint someone we really want as permanent manager, not just pick from those who happen to be available and interested at the moment.

 

[Squiggles]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40663.msg1123599#msg1123599 date=1276957362]
Squiggs, I've no time for the more colourful suggestions for reasons not to appoint the King, but neither does the "managed a football match in the last ten years" bit make sense. It would probably include a fair few of us FFS and the many positive reasons for appointing the King have been well canvassed on here. I'll also take the King's own judgment on whether he could do the job over those of internet posters or boardroom suits any day of the week. Presumably the club would too, seeing as they asked him to help find the next manager.
[/quote]

What have we got to do with it?

I just don't see what failing to appoint Dalglish says about ourselves as a football club. There's plenty of reasons not to appoint him as well, and they do have substance to them.

 

[Insignificance]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40663.msg1123635#msg1123635 date=1276959678]
I would start off working on that assumption, yes, not least because I don't think the man himself would want the job on a permanent basis. His appointment would last until new owners come in and we can appoint someone we really want as permanent manager, not just pick from those who happen to be available and interested at the moment.
[/quote]

But then certainly a two year contract would be in place? You cant expect stability shrt term anyway?

which is why I see an interim sollution as not to seriously. It will not give the club stability and it will be specualtionabout mangers and players and it ould be throughout analyzed whatever happens. Everytime Stevie had poor body language we would read the same over again....

If we pick King Kenny let us pick King Kenny for the job, not for the job until someone else suits better.

 

[Hansern]

Having Pellegrini as manager and Kenny as Director of Football would be the best solution.

We'd get the best out of both.

As for turmoil, the club will be sold sooner rather than later. I think we have to look at it that way, at least there are to many rumours out there for something not to happen in the not to distant future.

 

[manwithnoname]

Pellegrini managed to take the highest paid and most expensively assembled squad in world football to a grand total of zero trophies.

He's far better suited to making smaller, less well-paid squads over-deliver.

But still win no trophies

Hooray

Sacked in a year

Cheers

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40663.msg1123636#msg1123636 date=1276959770]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40663.msg1123599#msg1123599 date=1276957362]
Squiggs, I've no time for the more colourful suggestions for reasons not to appoint the King, but neither does the "managed a football match in the last ten years" bit make sense. It would probably include a fair few of us FFS and the many positive reasons for appointing the King have been well canvassed on here. I'll also take the King's own judgment on whether he could do the job over those of internet posters or boardroom suits any day of the week. Presumably the club would too, seeing as they asked him to help find the next manager.
[/quote]

What have we got to do with it?

I just don't see what failing to appoint Dalglish says about ourselves as a football club. There's plenty of reasons not to appoint him as well, and they do have substance to them.
[/quote]

Re your opening question - the point was an illustration of the unsatisfactory nature of the yardstick you were proposing. Having re-read it I reckon that's pretty clear from the post in question.

If we don't appoint Kenny as caretaker till we get someone we genuinely want, we'll have to make do from whoever happens to be currently available, and we'll be seen to be doing so. I'm afraid I don't think the reasons not to appoint him DO have substance. They're assumptions based on his time away from the game, the basis for which soon crumbles when challenged.

 

[Delinquent]

Anyone with a modicum of sense knows that sacking him after one season and the biggest points haul in their history was a joke.

 

[manwithnoname]

Was it *fuck*.

They knew Mourinho was gagging to take over, and made the right call, because one is an ordinary manager, and one is extraordinary

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