Pellegrini crashing in price

[themn]

[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40639.msg1122247#msg1122247 date=1276801239]
Gerrard, Torres, Mascherano, Johnson gone to repay the 100M that has to be paid as soon as possible.

Barely any money to replace these players.

More debt to repay down the line.

Errrm.... Corinthians, anyone.
[/quote]

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[FoxForceFive]

[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40639.msg1122247#msg1122247 date=1276801239]
Gerrard, Torres, Mascherano, Johnson gone to repay the 100M that has to be paid as soon as possible.

Barely any money to replace these players.

More debt to repay down the line.

Errrm.... Corinthians, anyone.
[/quote]

Not. Going. To. Happen.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40639.msg1122247#msg1122247 date=1276801239]
Gerrard, Torres, Mascherano, Johnson gone to repay the 100M that has to be paid as soon as possible.

Barely any money to replace these players.

More debt to repay down the line.

Errrm.... Corinthians, anyone.
[/quote]What has scripture got to do with anything?

 

[robinhood]

The fact that you're denying it's at all possible worries me more than anything, as it feels like you're just burying your heads in the sand.

Do you think Broughton gives a stuff about our squad?

 

[themn]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40639.msg1122253#msg1122253 date=1276801597]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40639.msg1122247#msg1122247 date=1276801239]
Gerrard, Torres, Mascherano, Johnson gone to repay the 100M that has to be paid as soon as possible.

Barely any money to replace these players.

More debt to repay down the line.

Errrm.... Corinthians, anyone.
[/quote]What has scripture got to do with anything?
[/quote]

I thought he meant we were being transplanted to Brazil.
It's all hooey any how.

 

[themn]

[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40639.msg1122255#msg1122255 date=1276801693]
The fact that you're denying it's at all possible worries me more than anything, as it feels like you're just burying your heads in the sand.

Do you think Broughton gives a stuff about our squad?
[/quote]

Uh-oh !

 

[SaintGeorge67]

[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40639.msg1122255#msg1122255 date=1276801693]
The fact that you're denying it's at all possible worries me more than anything, as it feels like you're just burying your heads in the sand.

Do you think Broughton gives a stuff about our squad?
[/quote]

I thought he was here to sell the club and that was it? If that's correct, then what does it matter what he thinks of the squad?

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40639.msg1122255#msg1122255 date=1276801693]
The fact that you're denying it's at all possible worries me more than anything, as it feels like you're just burying your heads in the sand.

Do you think Broughton gives a stuff about our squad?
[/quote]Yes. He's trying to sell the club for 800m. The playing staff are a part of that. If you sell 100m off the playing staff you wipe out way more than that in the value of the squad.
It would make no sense for an owner selling a club to strip off his assets Robinho.
Our value is as high now as it's going to get.

 

[Farkmaster]

Robinhood, how will the appointment of Dalglish cause banks to change their policy on our debt?

 

[Bradley]

[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=40639.msg1122261#msg1122261 date=1276801945]
Robinhood, how will the appointment of Dalglish cause banks to change their policy on our debt?

[/quote]

I was just on my way back to say exactly the same thing.

 

[robinhood]

His responsibility is to RBS; they were behind his appointment. If he can't sell the club and get the necessary 100M paid back that way, there will be no option other than to sell the players.

They don't want Dalglish because they know if he's manager he'll oppose this process as much as he can, which makes their lives more complicated.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40639.msg1122264#msg1122264 date=1276802326]
His responsibility is to RBS
[/quote]

No it's not. He was appointed by the owners and works for Barcap.

 

[robinhood]

[quote author=Bradley link=topic=40639.msg1122262#msg1122262 date=1276802128]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=40639.msg1122261#msg1122261 date=1276801945]
Robinhood, how will the appointment of Dalglish cause banks to change their policy on our debt?

[/quote]

I was just on my way back to say exactly the same thing.
[/quote]

It won't, but he'd make a fuss more than other managers given his attachment to the club. I believe that if they don't appoint him, it's a clear indication that they have no problem selling all our top players before they threaten to foreclose on Hicks and force him to lower his valuation.

 

[Bradley]

[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40639.msg1122264#msg1122264 date=1276802326]
His responsibility is to RBS; they were behind his appointment. If he can't sell the club and get the necessary 100M paid back that way, there will be no option other than to sell the players.

They don't want Dalglish because they know if he's manager he'll oppose this process as much as he can, which makes their lives more complicated.
[/quote]

But how does the manager's opposition make a difference? If it plays out the way you think the bank will demand their £100 million and the players will be sold to pay it.

If it's not paid do we going into administration? If that is the case what power would the manager have?

 

[robinhood]

[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40639.msg1122267#msg1122267 date=1276802454]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40639.msg1122264#msg1122264 date=1276802326]
His responsibility is to RBS
[/quote]

No it's not. He was appointed by the owners and works for Barcap.
[/quote]

Officially. It wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for the fact that H and G couldn't pay back that 100M

Besides, RBS own the club on paper right now and so his responsibility is to them because the power is in their hands.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40639.msg1122273#msg1122273 date=1276802622]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40639.msg1122267#msg1122267 date=1276802454]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40639.msg1122264#msg1122264 date=1276802326]
His responsibility is to RBS
[/quote]

No it's not. He was appointed by the owners and works for Barcap.
[/quote]

Officially. It wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for the fact that H and G couldn't pay back that 100M

Besides, RBS own the club on paper right now and so his responsibility is to them because the power is in their hands.
[/quote]

Sorry Robin. Didn't realise you had a space at Board meetings.

 

[robinhood]

[quote author=Bradley link=topic=40639.msg1122270#msg1122270 date=1276802560]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40639.msg1122264#msg1122264 date=1276802326]
His responsibility is to RBS; they were behind his appointment. If he can't sell the club and get the necessary 100M paid back that way, there will be no option other than to sell the players.

They don't want Dalglish because they know if he's manager he'll oppose this process as much as he can, which makes their lives more complicated.
[/quote]

But how does the manager's opposition make a difference? If it plays out the way you think the bank will demand their £100 million and the players will be sold to pay it.

If it's not paid do we going into administration? If that is the case what power would the manager have?
[/quote]

He can't stop them doing anything, obviously, but if he's manager and he's constantly talking to the press, their lives could become a lot more uncomfortable than if they've given the job to someone more placable.

 

[themn]

[quote author=Bradley link=topic=40639.msg1122270#msg1122270 date=1276802560]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40639.msg1122264#msg1122264 date=1276802326]
His responsibility is to RBS; they were behind his appointment. If he can't sell the club and get the necessary 100M paid back that way, there will be no option other than to sell the players.

They don't want Dalglish because they know if he's manager he'll oppose this process as much as he can, which makes their lives more complicated.
[/quote]

But how does the manager's opposition make a difference? If it plays out the way you think the bank will demand their £100 million and the players will be sold to pay it.

If it's not paid do we going into administration? If that is the case what power would the manager have?
[/quote]

Kenny will wave his magic Adidas coat and they'll re-think their strategy by jingo !

 

[Bradley]

[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40639.msg1122277#msg1122277 date=1276802825]
[quote author=Bradley link=topic=40639.msg1122270#msg1122270 date=1276802560]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40639.msg1122264#msg1122264 date=1276802326]
His responsibility is to RBS; they were behind his appointment. If he can't sell the club and get the necessary 100M paid back that way, there will be no option other than to sell the players.

They don't want Dalglish because they know if he's manager he'll oppose this process as much as he can, which makes their lives more complicated.
[/quote]

But how does the manager's opposition make a difference? If it plays out the way you think the bank will demand their £100 million and the players will be sold to pay it.

If it's not paid do we going into administration? If that is the case what power would the manager have?
[/quote]

He can't stop them doing anything, obviously, but if he's manager and he's constantly talking to the press, their lives could become a lot more uncomfortable than if they've given the job to someone more placable.
[/quote]

But, but....They are faceless RBS execs running the club so comfort isn't the issue, it's not like they'll be turning up on match days and having fans hassle them. They just want the money back.

 

[robinhood]

[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40639.msg1122275#msg1122275 date=1276802736]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40639.msg1122273#msg1122273 date=1276802622]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40639.msg1122267#msg1122267 date=1276802454]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40639.msg1122264#msg1122264 date=1276802326]
His responsibility is to RBS
[/quote]

No it's not. He was appointed by the owners and works for Barcap.
[/quote]

Officially. It wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for the fact that H and G couldn't pay back that 100M

Besides, RBS own the club on paper right now and so his responsibility is to them because the power is in their hands.
[/quote]

Sorry Robin. Didn't realise you had a space at Board meetings.
[/quote]

This sort of response is scaring me more than anything.

 

[robinhood]

[quote author=Bradley link=topic=40639.msg1122280#msg1122280 date=1276803029]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40639.msg1122277#msg1122277 date=1276802825]
[quote author=Bradley link=topic=40639.msg1122270#msg1122270 date=1276802560]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40639.msg1122264#msg1122264 date=1276802326]
His responsibility is to RBS; they were behind his appointment. If he can't sell the club and get the necessary 100M paid back that way, there will be no option other than to sell the players.

They don't want Dalglish because they know if he's manager he'll oppose this process as much as he can, which makes their lives more complicated.
[/quote]

But how does the manager's opposition make a difference? If it plays out the way you think the bank will demand their £100 million and the players will be sold to pay it.

If it's not paid do we going into administration? If that is the case what power would the manager have?
[/quote]

He can't stop them doing anything, obviously, but if he's manager and he's constantly talking to the press, their lives could become a lot more uncomfortable than if they've given the job to someone more placable.
[/quote]

But, but....They are faceless RBS execs running the club so comfort isn't the issue, it's not like they'll be turning up on match days and having fans hassle them. They just want the money back.
[/quote]

I should have said "Broughton's", not "their". But I'm sure he's got other people working with him.

 

[robinhood]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40639.msg1122260#msg1122260 date=1276801893]

It would make no sense for an owner selling a club to strip off his assets Robinho.
[/quote]

Sure, if he didn't have massive debts that had to be repaid already

 

[Wilko7]

[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40639.msg1122264#msg1122264 date=1276802326]
His responsibility is to RBS; they were behind his appointment. If he can't sell the club and get the necessary 100M paid back that way, there will be no option other than to sell the players.

They don't want Dalglish because they know if he's manager he'll oppose this process as much as he can, which makes their lives more complicated.
[/quote]

In fairness, this is utter shite.

 

[ILD]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40639.msg1122188#msg1122188 date=1276797567]
Pellegrini scored 1 goal in 451 appearances...

This is not relevant information at all.

[/quote]

He is 6 ft 1" tall.

 

[robinhood]

[quote author=Wilko link=topic=40639.msg1122293#msg1122293 date=1276803624]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=40639.msg1122264#msg1122264 date=1276802326]
His responsibility is to RBS; they were behind his appointment. If he can't sell the club and get the necessary 100M paid back that way, there will be no option other than to sell the players.

They don't want Dalglish because they know if he's manager he'll oppose this process as much as he can, which makes their lives more complicated.
[/quote]

In fairness, this is utter shite.
[/quote]


Which bit?

His responsibility is to RBS: they are in the position of power at the moment, because the legal owners only own the club because they borrowed a load of money that they can't pay back in time from RBS. If this was your house, the bank would be in the position of power because you can't pay your mortgage - they would own your house. If someone was brought in to sell that house because you couldn't pay for it, their responsibility would be to the bank, not to you.

They were behind his appointment: it only happened when it became obvious when G&H weren't going to be able to pay the 100M installment in time. Think what you like, but my assumption is less crazy than the assumption that RBS *weren't* behind it.

If he can't sell the club and get the necessary 100M paid back that way, there will be no option other than to sell the players: where else is the money going to come from?

They don't want Dalglish because they know if he's manager he'll oppose this process as much as he can, which makes their lives more complicated: Dalglish loves the club, whereas to the other candidates it's just a job. Not only that, Dalglish isn't in the middle of building a career - he wants to do it because he knows nobody else available will have such strong feelings towards the club, right at the time when these feelings are the only thing capable (if anything is at all) of bringing us back from near certain meltdown

 

[Hansern]

It's utter crap. I find it more worrying that you actually believe this.

Either way, Broughton was appointed to sell the club, he is a non executive chairman, and has no interest in paying off our debt or selling players. He's here to oversee the sale, end off.

Selling our best players would make our club very much less attractive for potential investors, and that won't happen. RBS won't chew off the branch their sitting on. If they allow the sale of players, and then are forced to sell the club on a later date. Much of the attractivness and value has gone..

Won't.Happen.In.A.Million.Years.

 

[robinhood]

Why would you care what I believe if it won't affect the club?

I legitimately am worried about LFC fans like yourselves being completely blind to the possibility of what I'm saying. It makes me feel like the truth is so horrible you won't even entertain it; if it was less likely we might be able to have an open discussion about it

 

[Bradley]

I just can't understand your belief that Kenny can save us if things are going to go down the way you think. He wouldn't have any say or power, he could moan about it but it wouldn't matter if it was him or Hodgson/Rafa/ anybody else.

 

[robinhood]

[quote author=Hansern link=topic=40639.msg1122301#msg1122301 date=1276804345]Either way, Broughton was appointed to sell the club, he is a non executive chairman, and has no interest in paying off our debt or selling players. He's here to oversee the sale, end off. [/quote]

You're just taking a bunch of bankers and cowboys on faith alone. I would have thought people would be a bit less green these days, but fair enough.

Selling our best players would make our club very much less attractive for potential investors, and that won't happen. RBS won't chew off the branch their sitting on. If they allow the sale of players, and then are forced to sell the club on a later date. Much of the attractivness and value has gone..

RBS would happily sell our best players to repay the first half of the debt, then if the American's can't pay, they can take the club off them and force a sale at a low valuation to repay the rest, the whole time having made a shit load of money in interest.

 

[robinhood]

[quote author=Bradley link=topic=40639.msg1122306#msg1122306 date=1276804716]
I just can't understand your belief that Kenny can save us if things are going to go down the way you think. He wouldn't have any say or power, he could moan about it but it wouldn't matter if it was him or Hodgson/Rafa/ anybody else.
[/quote]

I don't think he can save us if things are fundamentally going that way, but I think if they refuse to appoint him, it is a clear indication that they don't want to appoint someone with his standing and implacability as it only complicates things if they decide to go down the route of selling players (ie if they fail to find a buyer, which is likely at the current valuation).

If they do appoint him, as he's the most sensible choice under the circumstances from a financial and stewardship point of view, it's an indication that things aren't going that way. Yet. However I'm not too hopeful for this because I think if it was the case they would have appointed him anyway.