So you're all for Benteke too based on his stats? 1 goal every 183 mins in the league last season....
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So you're all for Benteke too based on his stats? 1 goal every 183 mins in the league last season....
No not at all.. Pedro is much better value for money... has more to his game and can play in numerous positions too...
Now, this link, I'm pretty excited about. If you look at just the cold hard data on his ability to finish with his feet in the box over these last few years, his numbers are consistently good, bar one season. In the tables below, you can see how he compares to our guys (and Benteke). These numbers are basically the shots and goals in the box per season, with headed attempts / goals and penalty attempts / goals taken out. The % figure indicates the efficiency, i.e. the percentage of (feet) shots in the box which result in goals (box = both 6- and 18-yard).
Of course, you could argue that playing at Barca means he gets better opportunities to score. Still, unless the goals he scored were open goal tap-ins most of the time, he still had to beat (at least) the keeper. Also, because of the low playing time, the position he plays, and the players he plays with, the number of shots he takes in the box each game are about up to half the number that some of the big name main strikers attempt (e.g. Aguero, Benzema, Higuain, etc.). The lower base helps his numbers, but if you compare them to Sturridge's number of attempts, they aren't that far off. In terms of the scoring rate, his numbers are actually very good relative to those big names.
I could probably expand more on this in another reply but I need to get some sleep. Maybe more tomorrow if I can get the time / energy and if folks are interested about the details of the data I've pulled and the analysis (source: whoscored). 🙂
Of course we're interested. You're @studsup! You're a huge asset here.
Pedro has 98 goals in 318 appearances for Barca. 16 goals in 51 appearances for Spain. A goal every 3 games basically.
He's also scored 20+ a season twice in his career. Utterly moronic to say he's at the level of Tello and Bojan.
Podolski and Negredo are comparables like I stated.
He's also scored 20+ a season twice in his career. Utterly moronic to say he's at the level of Tello and Bojan.
Podolski and Negredo are comparables like I stated.
As we know. My problem with him is I don't know if he could play CF effectively on his own in the league. I think we'd be buying another WF but a better finisher than what we have. Seems rather pointless with Firmino, Markovic, Lallana, Coutinho, Ibe, Wilson, Ojo and Kent on the books. He looks a decent Sterling replacement, but I feel we need a Torres/Suarez replacement. What do you think?
Heh. I'm inclined to agree for the most part. Sanchez was always my preference out of the two as it was more obvious that he had that extra something to be his own man. Pedro I've always had reservations about outside of that Barca (Spanish) setup.
He does tick a lot of boxes on paper though.
That doesn't tell the true picture
He averages 1 goal every 184 minutes in the last 2 seasons
If you calculate that overall.. 1 goal in every 2 games is probably about right.
He offers more than just goals though.. His assist stats are not too shabby
Can play as a winger or as a second striker In 3.. Decent with both feet..
Pretty much, more of the same really, or rather, another player who will weigh in but not really take control when the chips are down. Better option and more suited to our setup though than Benteke, perhaps.
While we're touching on what we lost with Suarez and what we nearly gained with Sanchez, I think that's largely the reason behind Firmino, not in terms of position so much, as a willingness to run himself into the ground for the team and work hard when things are going against us, something I think many of our current attacking crop lack.
He also, when he does get forward, makes runs reminiscent of some of our best strikers, despite being, positionally at least, more of a playmaker, he has that natural instinct to play off the shoulder at times and to place his shots clinically. Hopefully his stats are just a case of him being young and getting to grips with playing at the top level, but I think he might surprise a few people in terms of his workrate and where we might play him. I don't think it's a given he'll be alongside Coutinho behind the frontline, I think he'll get in the front three when we play that way and he'll get goals. Heaven knows where that leaves our striking conundrum of already having three/four strikers on the books, but anyway.
I see Firminho more of Suarez replacement... Like Mark explained..
Pedro.. more of a Sterling Replacement
But more of a finished article..
Pedro.. more of a Sterling Replacement
But more of a finished article..
I watch about 50% of barca's games, but I'm not a superfan. I'm simply stating that his goal scoring stats are of fuck relevance playing in a barca team in that Micky mouse league. Anyone who has watched more than about 5 full games of pedro will realise he's not what we need. His finishing is sporadic at best. We'd be getting rid of sterling and replacing him with someone who'd score as many goals up top.
But hey, when we obviously sign him as we're obviously guaranteed to do, and he's smashing in 30 a season as the stats predict, then I shall hold my hands up to the stats gods.
Well, I said earlier that he's a streaky player and that I have my reservations.
That's very different to comparing him to Bojan.
I like him and rate him highly. I'm not sure the striker we need is actually out there, so I'd rather invest in very good attacking players than risk overpaying for a striker who doesn't fit how we play.
Getting Pedro for the cost of the Markovic sale would make a lot of sense.
Getting Pedro for the cost of the Markovic sale would make a lot of sense.
He's a real team player. As any fool knows, there's no "I" in Pedro.
Goals of Pedro... almost all I guess, in the last few seasons. We'll notice he gets a lot of easy chances (i.e. defenders and keeper pulled out of position or distracted), mostly due to Messi. Quite a few one-on-ones too, which may or may not be gifts, depending on the composure and technique of individuals. An easy chance is a partnership though - you need the creator, but you also need the recipient timing his runs or arriving in space to capitalize. Yes, a lot of times, the creator does almost all the hard work, but the recipient often enough still has to make the right runs and have the proper first touch and skill to make the chances count.
I suppose if we do land him, the onus is on the likes of Firmino, Coutinho, Lallana - and Pedro himself - to create those openings in the box for him. He does show wonderful pace and good finishing in the goals he scores. I admit I'm a sucker for anyone with a bit of extra pace up front to burn and a good strong finishing shot, which is what attracted me to Vietto.
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I suppose if we do land him, the onus is on the likes of Firmino, Coutinho, Lallana - and Pedro himself - to create those openings in the box for him. He does show wonderful pace and good finishing in the goals he scores. I admit I'm a sucker for anyone with a bit of extra pace up front to burn and a good strong finishing shot, which is what attracted me to Vietto.
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That is true of course. A pair of classic examples would be Higuain and Sanchez.
Higuain:
Shots Goals Rate
66 13 19.7% <-- Napoli
59 10 16.9% <-- Napoli
43 14 32.6% <-- Real Madrid
50 16 32.0% <-- Real Madrid
39 10 25.6% <-- Real Madrid
69 22 31.9% <-- Real Madrid
Sanchez:
Shots Goals Rate
55 11 20.0% <-- Arsenal
44 15 34.1% <-- Barcelona
25 6 24.0% <-- Barcelona
29 8 27.6% <-- Barcelona
36 8 22.2% <-- Udinese
30 4 13.3% <-- Udinese
*Shots and Goals: attempts and goals with feet in six-yard and penalty boxes
Where are we going to play him? He isnt a CF.
Buying him and not a striker would be a bad idea imho.
If we didnt have Markovic, Ibe, Lallana, Firmino, Coutinho. This would be a good idea.
But we've got plenty of attacking midfielders and no strikers.
20 mill on him is a lot of money.
Buying him and not a striker would be a bad idea imho.
If we didnt have Markovic, Ibe, Lallana, Firmino, Coutinho. This would be a good idea.
But we've got plenty of attacking midfielders and no strikers.
20 mill on him is a lot of money.
The rumour is we'd go for him if Sterling goes. Plus another striker.
It Sterling and Markovic both go, it adds a different complexion to things. I think he'd be a good buy with a striker too, but we are still overstocked in attack:
Out:
Markovic
Sterling
Lambert
Borini
Mario
Remaining:
Coutinho
Firmini
Sturridge
Origi
Ings
Ibe
Lallana
Plus maybe:
Pedro
Benteke
To go into three, maybe four positions (which then has a knock on effect on Henderson/Can/Milner.... not to mention Allen and Lucas)
Out:
Markovic
Sterling
Lambert
Borini
Mario
Remaining:
Coutinho
Firmini
Sturridge
Origi
Ings
Ibe
Lallana
Plus maybe:
Pedro
Benteke
To go into three, maybe four positions (which then has a knock on effect on Henderson/Can/Milner.... not to mention Allen and Lucas)
Seven players for four positions is at least one short for a decent squad. We need at least one more, possibly two to be on the safe side.
7 is fine, but it could be potentially 9, if we have Benteke and Pedro/Markovic.
It's not so much the numbers, as the type of players.
If we sign Pedro, *and* Benteke....
I honestly honestly don't know what the plan is. Is there one?
I've never known such a completely bizarre approach to squad-building. We're potentially wasting tens of millions here.
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