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Man U signed Diouf! ;D

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/manchester_united/article6717754.ece
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Does anyone else think that the Scum's transfer dealing have been very odd this year?
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No.

As I mentioned previously their accounts for the past two years show losses of 28m and 26m. That obviously can't go on forever, so the sale of Ronaldo will help balance the books. They've spent about 20m of that 80m they got, I expected them to spend half of the 80m because they need quite a bit of strenghtening but so far so good for us.

The Glazers are the best thing that ever happened to them from our point of view
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I think you are mixing up operating losses and financing losses.
MUFC are one of the most profitable clubs in the world. So long as the profit keeps increasing at the club and hence the value of the club increases. I expect the Glazers would be happy with losses at the parent company level so long as the increase in the value of the club it owns grows by more each year. This is the way most leveraged takeovers like our and the scums work.
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I'm not mixing up anything, I know where the losses come from but you seem to think they don't affect how United are managed.

I disagree.

I've made two predictions regarding them in the past year the first was that unless they sold someone else I couldn't see where the money for Tevez was coming from. As it turned out they couldn't afford him until it was too late.

The other is that they would only spend about half of that 80m they received. So far so good.

The Glazers aren't going to swallow losses for years on United, just like our two clowns won't. You can see that from how limited our spending has been thus far.
 
Hmmm.. Fergie reiterates that that's the last of the spending and they only took the decision now because other clubs were interested (in Diouf).

Is the Inter/Barca deal done? If so I'm delighted because that's another class player out of the running for United/Chelsea etc.
 
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[quote author=Y1 link=topic=34454.msg907565#msg907565 date=1247846439]
Man U signed Diouf! ;D

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/manchester_united/article6717754.ece
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Does anyone else think that the Scum's transfer dealing have been very odd this year?
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No.

As I mentioned previously their accounts for the past two years show losses of 28m and 26m. That obviously can't go on forever, so the sale of Ronaldo will help balance the books. They've spent about 20m of that 80m they got, I expected them to spend half of the 80m because they need quite a bit of strenghtening but so far so good for us.

The Glazers are the best thing that ever happened to them from our point of view
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Do the accounts show the details of the PIK loans? Those are a nuclear bomb waiting to go off.
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What's that then?
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They are these super high interest loans unsecured apparently at 15%. They are different in that you don't make any payments until the end of the term, all of the interest is added back each year and compounds. There original plan way to refinance them but because of the increased guarantees required with the economic melt-down they couldn't. They loaned 189M this way and when they are due (2-3 years) it will be as a lump sum of 371M apparently!

I couldn't find anything about it, it was mentioned on a BBC podcast by someone at that Manure supporters trust thing. Was hoping it was really true! BTW On that same podcast they mentioned that the Glazers have had the Bucs up for sale for 2 years and no-one is biting.

I was hoping their accounts had some insight 🙂

BTW This has some basic info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIK_loan
 
[quote author=livvy185 link=topic=34454.msg908049#msg908049 date=1247942338]
Adebayor has signed for Man City.
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Is the fee confirmed to be 25 million?
 
Santa Cruz must be a happy man today..
But even though he's on the bench, at least his bank account will increase with 80-90k a week.

I'm really curious to see Citys wage bill, it must be MASSIVE..
 
I don't get how Santa Cruz is branded a mercenary.

He was at Blackburn, ffs - of course he was going to go. It's a bit different to the Eto'o's & Tevez's of this world.
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[quote author=Hansern link=topic=34454.msg908069#msg908069 date=1247945940]
Santa Cruz must be a happy man today..
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I don't think any player will ever have a shorter first team career - all he got was a few weeks of the summer.

This is a really bizarre summer so far with two of the top four losing key players.
 
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[quote author=Y1 link=topic=34454.msg907565#msg907565 date=1247846439]
Man U signed Diouf! ;D

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/manchester_united/article6717754.ece
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Does anyone else think that the Scum's transfer dealing have been very odd this year?
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No.

As I mentioned previously their accounts for the past two years show losses of 28m and 26m. That obviously can't go on forever, so the sale of Ronaldo will help balance the books. They've spent about 20m of that 80m they got, I expected them to spend half of the 80m because they need quite a bit of strenghtening but so far so good for us.

The Glazers are the best thing that ever happened to them from our point of view
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Do the accounts show the details of the PIK loans? Those are a nuclear bomb waiting to go off.
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What's that then?
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They are these super high interest loans unsecured apparently at 15%. They are different in that you don't make any payments until the end of the term, all of the interest is added back each year and compounds. There original plan way to refinance them but because of the increased guarantees required with the economic melt-down they couldn't. They loaned 189M this way and when they are due (2-3 years) it will be as a lump sum of 371M apparently!

I couldn't find anything about it, it was mentioned on a BBC podcast by someone at that Manure supporters trust thing. Was hoping it was really true! BTW On that same podcast they mentioned that the Glazers have had the Bucs up for sale for 2 years and no-one is biting.

I was hoping their accounts had some insight 🙂

BTW This has some basic info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIK_loan

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Cheers for that bitesize summary - in a form I can understand!

I just hope you're right.
 
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Santa Cruz must be a happy man today..
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I don't think any player will ever have a shorter first team career - all he got was a few weeks of the summer.

This is a really bizarre summer so far with two of the top four losing key players.
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Yeah, thats what I thought aswell.
"Oh, we've signed Tevez! Excellent, we'll make a great duo. Hey! Adebayor aswell. Wait a minute, that means I'm on the bench! Fuck!!"

That will be the most expencive back up striker in history, 18 mill...
 
The polymathic genius that is La Liga Loca used to think that it had a decent grasp of economics.

In its seven years teaching the subject at Rutland Poly, the blog would always opine that the standard operating procedure for something or someone in debt was to sell assets.

But this crazy notion has been made to look outdated and distinctly fuddy by Valencia, who have chosen to follow the theory that the best way to face a crisis is to do nothing and hope it goes away.

Despite the predictions from the blog over the past few months that Valencia would be stripped bare of its playing talent due to the club’s 500m Euro debt, the main departures from the club so far are the eternally injured Edu and Teresa the Tealady.

The terrific trio of Juan Mata, David Silva and David Villa are still Mestalla men, although the latter doesn’t sound very pleased about it at all.

It was widely expected that the Spanish striker would be shipped out to either Real Madrid or Barcelona over the summer, especially as both clubs are reported to have made hefty offers to Valencia for his goalscoring services.

Madrid made a 'multimillion Euro and Alvaro Negredo thrown in' bid only to see it being snook-cocked by current club president Manuel Llorente.

Meanwhile, the Catalan papers advise that Barcelona offered to pay Valencia 42 million Euro for Villa.

According to El País, this was eight short of what Valencia were demanding, but Villa was so desperate for the move that he offered to pay the difference himself.

But Valencia will only accept a “scandalously scandalous†bid for the prize, says Llorente.

It may be that the various suits supposedly running the club know more than they are telling in regards to Valencia’s immediate financial situation.

Or it may be that the mysterious Dalport group will hand-over the half-a-billion Euro of investment that it claims to have.

But considering nothing has been heard from them in nearly two weeks and that the company’s logo was taken from a children’s colouring book, it seems unlikely.

And it also seems unlikely that David Villa will be going anywhere this summer, especially as he has always turned down the chance of playing in the Premier League, the only place containing clubs with the means to buy him now.

Madrid’s interest in Villa ended when they made their move for Karim Benzema, while Barça have apparently grown tired of Valencia’s obstinacy and are on the brink of replacing Mad Sammy with Mad Zlatan.

And this leaves poor old Diego Forlán sobbing by the wayside at the Vicente Calderon screaming, “you can’t leave me here!†to his agent.

All this is not to say that there isn’t some financial activity to be found in Mestalla.

A group of current and ex-footballers have got together to buy some shares in the club. Around 2,400 Euro worth, in fact, per player.

“We are part of Valencia and are in a position to help the club,†announced David Albeda, whose last major contribution to the side was to take it to court last year, when dropped from the squad by Ronald Koeman.

Whether or not this laudable if not substantial contribution to the club’s accounts is enough to cover the shortfall left by the non-sale of Villa remains to be seen.
 
From Ballague's website..........

United Prepared to Swoop for Frustrated Villa

David Villa`s dream of signing for either Real Madrid or Barcelona appears to be slipping away from him. Madrid`s pursuit of the Valencia forward effectively came to an end with the signing of Karim Benzema, while Barcelona are edging closer to sealing a deal with Inter Milan for Ibrahimovic in a deal that could see Samuel Eto`o move in the opposite direction, if the Cameroon striker agrees to the switch.

Villa had come close to obtaining his dream move to one of Spain`s big two clubs, but despite the best efforts of the player and his suitors, a move has thus far failed to materialise.

Real Madrid had been very close to an agreement, after offering €43 million plus Negredo to Valencia but, after it had appeared they were prepared to sell the player for a similar fee, but ongoing institutional crisis at the Mestalla never fails to surprise - and the new board in charge of the debt laden club turned down the offer.

On Friday, Barcelona felt they were close to agreeing a deal with Valencia, but their €45 million verbal offer was subsequently rejected.

Villa had even offered to reduce his personal terms in order to give Barcelona greater bargaining power, but that was still not enough to persuade Valencia to release the player. Consequently Joan Laporta decided to follow up on a conversation he had first held 2 weeks previously with Inter`s Massimo Moratti, and the Barcelona president travelled to Milan on Friday to seal an agreement with the Italian club for Ibrahimovic. Alexander Hleb, a target for Everton, could also be included in the package on a loan agreement.

David Villa was unaware of Barcelona`s agreement with Ibrahimovic - as were the Spanish international`s representatives - and his discovery, on Saturday morning, that Barcelona had effectively abandoned their pursuit of him has left him distraught.


Manchester United have been following the situation very closely and they have told Villa`s representatives that, in the next day or so, they will make an offer that they feel will be well received by both Valencia and the player. In order to satisfy Valencia, that would mean United are prepared to offer the Spanish club around €45 million, plus a salary package in the region of €8 million a year to the player.

David Villa has always insisted that he would like to remain in Spain and that he does not want to move abroad, that is, until now. However, for the second consecutive season, the player has seen his dream to move to one of the two top Spanish teams end in frustration, and it is plausible that his increasing frustration at his current situation could prompt him to abandon Spain and drive him toward the Premier League and into the hands of Manchester United.

Villa`s representatives have been told that Sir Alex Ferguson`s comments that United have ended their summer spending is nothing more than an attempt to avoid becoming distracted by a summer of speculation and is a strategy for dealing with an increasingly volatile transfer market - and that if the United manager is presented with an opportunity to sign a player of David Villa`s calibre, then he has both the resources and the desire to do so.
 
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo! That'd be absolutely awful.

In other news, Lyon have been spending a fair bit. They've bought Lopez and Cissohko from Porto. I wonder if that means Grosso will now become available. Not good if we're trying to shift Dossena's fat ass back to Italy.
 
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Interesting, but really - what was the last thing Ballague got right?
[/quote]He shaved the side of that beard off.
 
If Valencia get their economy right, which could happen after gettning a new president. I can see Villa staying instead of moving to England.
 
I think there is a point too about Villa. How long is he prepared to wait for his big move within Spain, before he thinks a few years in the prem might be an idea

regards
 
13.23 Klaas-Jan Huntelaar has agreed to join Stuttgart from Real Madrid despite being linked with two Premier League sides, according to reports in Germany.
 
Back to being a big fish in a small pond.

(Yes, the German League is pretty shit)
 
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Back to being a big fish in a small pond.

(Yes, the German League is pretty shit)
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Can you blame him though, it's World Cup year. He's taking the safe option were he'll score a pile of goals and secure his ticket to South Africa.
 
I think his ticket is all but assured anyway.

He's scored 1 in 2 for the Dutch national side - it would take something catastrophic for him not to be included in the squad.

For a man who spent too long applying his trade at Ajax, I think he should have the ambition of proving himself in England or Spain.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=34454.msg909066#msg909066 date=1248098800]
I think his ticket is all but assured anyway.

He's scored 1 in 2 for the Dutch national side - it would take something catastrophic for him not to be included in the squad.

For a man who spent too long applying his trade at Ajax, I think he should have the ambition of proving himself in England or Spain.
[/quote]But he'll challenge for titles and play in Europe there. If it Was that or Spurs i know what i'd do.
 
I guess. I'm honestly just surprised bigger clubs aren't going in for him than Stuttgard or Spurs.

And he won titles and played in the UEFA cup for Ajax. It's a step up from those days, but he could be doing better.
 
He's a world class poacher and they hardly seem to be in abundance these days , it seems the majority top sides have a physically imposing and powerful frontman.
 
Milan have failed to agree a fee for Fabiano according to the BBC gossip column. Can anyone recall the fees being rumoured?

I wouldn't mind us signing him.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=34454.msg909236#msg909236 date=1248118790]
Milan have failed to agree a fee for Fabiano according to the BBC gossip column. Can anyone recall the fees being rumoured?

I wouldn't mind us signing him.
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> 21 million euros. I wouldn't sign him at that price.
 
Apparantly Terry has signed a £150k a week contract........with Chelsea for 4 more years.
The end.
 
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