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Open acts of homosexuality

[quote author=Peatcheo link=topic=21236.msg506450#msg506450 date=1204578168]
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=21236.msg506435#msg506435 date=1204577610]
Let me guess - the "G" in G bar stands for gay?
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i also assume its a pun on G spot.

I hate that place dance and £4 beers, my idea of a shit nightclub. Not even fancy its a fucking basement as well.
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Do you enter the back door?
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=21236.msg506451#msg506451 date=1204578213]
[quote author=Peatcheo link=topic=21236.msg506450#msg506450 date=1204578168]
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=21236.msg506435#msg506435 date=1204577610]
Let me guess - the "G" in G bar stands for gay?
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i also assume its a pun on G spot.

I hate that place dance and £4 beers, my idea of a shit nightclub. Not even fancy its a fucking basement as well.
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Do you enter the back door?
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If you want to pay the doorman extra............
 
For one man to love his brother is actually very beautiful. It's only when they start touching each other's bottoms that things start to become a litle unpleasant.
FWIW all the talk of children becoming gay because they're exposed to homosexual displays of affection is rubbish. It reminds me of the standard catholic response to suggestions of gay marriage in Italy. "It's a threat to the family" Why? Are we all going to turn gay? Clearly not.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=21236.msg506371#msg506371 date=1204572712]
[quote author=Mr Moominpoops link=topic=21236.msg506363#msg506363 date=1204572252]
I think it is possible if you have a "monster cock".

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Maybe so Poops, I'm not going to investigate this one to prove you wrong
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It is possible, I have witnessed it.

A party piece of an old mate at uni.

He did it everytime he found a camera lying around.

There must be thousands of knob/bumhole pictures floating around the UK.
 
[quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=21236.msg506560#msg506560 date=1204585549]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=21236.msg506371#msg506371 date=1204572712]
[quote author=Mr Moominpoops link=topic=21236.msg506363#msg506363 date=1204572252]
I think it is possible if you have a "monster cock".

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Maybe so Poops, I'm not going to investigate this one to prove you wrong
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It is possible, I have witnessed it.

A party piece of an old mate at uni.

He did it everytime he found a camera lying around.

There must be thousands of knob/bumhole pictures floating around the UK.
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You witnessed it ?

*shakes head*
 
Homosexuality on principle doesn't upset me at all; it's an aesthetic issue I have, not a moral one. I know a number of gays, occasionally go to a gay club (after clubbing elsewhere shuts down for the night, because it's open far later than all the other clubs in town), etc.

Yet, it aesthetically displeases me to see or envision. I get a slight twinge of bother then look away and get on with whatever I'm up to. I'd prefer not to see it but I'm not going to get worked up or make a scene.
 
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=21236.msg506655#msg506655 date=1204613211]
In that there Liverpool, is a gayer known as a 'backie' or a 'takey'?
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Quality ;D
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=21236.msg506313#msg506313 date=1204568420]

Now I think I'm fairly liberal, but I find this completely wrong. Like it or not, heterosexuality IS the norm, & is what's socially acceptable, I think such blatant portrayal of homosexuality is incredibly damaging to children.
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You aren't fairly liberal if you believe that. That is conservativism in the most Mannheimian sense of the word.

What you have basically said is, things are what they are, and heterosexuality within this status quo is not normative, hence it should be marginalized and erased ESPECIALLY for those who have yet to come to make value judgments about it. This of course perpetuates how things are.

It isn't a matter of "like it or not", that attitude by definition means you like the status quo as you seek to preserve it. That attitude says that it is in our interest to maintain gays as a marginalized group.

What exactly is the damage to a kid seeing homosexual pda instead of heterosexual normative pda? Either you think by that that they could become marginalized, become gay, and incur the social penalty that "like it or not" exists by witnessing the behavior, or you think that their not reinforcing normative social convention somehow otherwise damages the social fabric.

Why would it be damaging for kids to see something that they wouldn't know is wrong, and isn't essentially damaging or wrong, but for the social taboo that is reinforced by encouraging them to come to the same normative judgments and maintain the status quo? This circular logic is the very definition of social conservatism as a sociological logic.

For my part, there is nothing wrong with two men kissing. I notice it only as startling because I grew up in a bigoted society. As I have very good friends who are gay and have been exposed to gay/lesbian public affection more frequently in certain environments it has much less effect.

I would also argue quite the opposite regarding damage to children. The more promiscuous and garish elements of gay culture which do not promote stable families, are dangerous with respect to disease, and do not afford any meaningful human interaction will be weakened when the norms of culture incorporate and condone and encourage analagous situations to the heterosexual norm. When we have no problem seeing a gay couple publicly express a societally condoned coupling, you'll see less of the seedy aspects of gay culture that exist precisely because it has been marginalized.
 
It wouldn’t bother me in the slightest if I saw two blokes kissing.

They can do what they want as long as it isn’t affecting me. 
 
That said if I was eating in a restaurant and 2 men were snogging in my line of vision I'd say something. Though I would say something if a straight couple were.
 
[quote author='Dave' link=topic=21236.msg506692#msg506692 date=1204620649]
Though I would say something if a straight couple were.

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When I was single and really looking for a girlfriend, I'd rather see two gay men kissing than a heterosexual coupling. The one upped my chances, while the other reminded me of how fucking lonely I was.

Either way, gay or straight, cutesie baby-talking smoochy couples are worst, unless you are one, then its great.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=21236.msg506236#msg506236 date=1204564472]
If you see images of two blokes kissing, or EVEN WORSE, see two gay blokes kissing and cuddling in the street, do you have a reaction?

Like a little shudder of disgust?
Or desire?

Are you utterly unmoved?

What's your reaction to open acts of homosexual attraction?


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I am homophobic and have an unreasoning fear of and antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.

I take no great pleasure in this view and do not express it verbally or act upon it.

My view, I guess is unfashionable, and of course this type of sexuality is perfectly legal, I just abhor it instinctively.
 
[quote author=Bologna link=topic=21236.msg506502#msg506502 date=1204582241]
For one man to love his brother is actually very beautiful. It's only when they start touching each other's bottoms that things start to become a litle unpleasant.
FWIW all the talk of children becoming gay because they're exposed to homosexual displays of affection is rubbish. It reminds me of the standard catholic response to suggestions of gay marriage in Italy. "It's a threat to the family" Why? Are we all going to turn gay? Clearly not.
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Because it advances the concept that anything goes. Look around you at the state of society - in the UK anyway - to see where that gets you.
 
[quote author=Grungefuttock link=topic=21236.msg506719#msg506719 date=1204624353]
Because it advances the concept that anything goes. Look around you at the state of society - in the UK anyway - to see where that gets you.
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Does any change in society encourage all change? Absurd.
 
[quote author=Grungefuttock link=topic=21236.msg506719#msg506719 date=1204624353]
[quote author=Bologna link=topic=21236.msg506502#msg506502 date=1204582241]
For one man to love his brother is actually very beautiful. It's only when they start touching each other's bottoms that things start to become a litle unpleasant.
FWIW all the talk of children becoming gay because they're exposed to homosexual displays of affection is rubbish. It reminds me of the standard catholic response to suggestions of gay marriage in Italy. "It's a threat to the family" Why? Are we all going to turn gay? Clearly not.
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Because it advances the concept that anything goes. Look around you at the state of society - in the UK anyway - to see where that gets you.
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Does everyone bat for the othe side in the UK now? I didn't know that.
You should live in Italy Grunge. You'd love the catholic fundamentalist sympathies of most of the media.
 
[quote author=Grungefuttock link=topic=21236.msg506719#msg506719 date=1204624353]
[quote author=Bologna link=topic=21236.msg506502#msg506502 date=1204582241]
For one man to love his brother is actually very beautiful. It's only when they start touching each other's bottoms that things start to become a litle unpleasant.
FWIW all the talk of children becoming gay because they're exposed to homosexual displays of affection is rubbish. It reminds me of the standard catholic response to suggestions of gay marriage in Italy. "It's a threat to the family" Why? Are we all going to turn gay? Clearly not.
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Because it advances the concept that anything goes. Look around you at the state of society - in the UK anyway - to see where that gets you.
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So homosexuality = murder & mayhem?

Yes, I can see the correlation
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=21236.msg506436#msg506436 date=1204577622]
I like the gays.

My top 5 gays.

1.Stephen Fry
2.Iain Mckellan
3.Alan Cumming (unfortunate name)
4.Cole porter
5.Simon Amstell

I dont really mind seeing gays kissing and cuddling and that. I dont really want to see them shagging, but i guess they wouldnt want me to see either.

I dont like campness. Its faux gay and it gets up my fucking nose. YES youre gay we get it, youre still a fucking bloke, stop acting like a 14 year old girl.

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Too right Herr. Up the nose isn't real gay and it'd fucking hurt.
 
Oh Brendan, what have you started?!

The notion that homosexual PDA's incite young children towards homosexuality themselves is utterly preposterous. My sister-in-law is an infant school teacher. On a number of occassions she has taught little boys and girls that she has observed from their behaviour are very obviously gay. And this is at the age of 3 or 4. There is also a little boy in my daughters room at Nursery who is always making a bee-line for the tutu's and fairy outfits from the dressing-up box. He absolutely adores them. He is not even 2. Everyone (including his mother) thinks it is is very funny and sweet and don't see it as something to be concerned about. He could just be displaying a healthy curiosity for things that he has already instinctively learned are not for little boys, or he could turn out to be gay. My point is that homosexuality is not something you learn, it is something you are.
 
I'm sure that's true most of the time, but not always. David Bowie arrived at a decision to live as a gay man part-way through his adult life, though it didn't last, and I remember an interview years ago with one of the Greenham women who spoke about "learning" where all her life preferences, sexual included, actually were as part of her "political awakening".

Top marks for approved PC "wisdom" for your most recent posts, Farky, Bolonga (as someone persists in calling you in one thread ;D), Marquis. Trouble is my point was, and remains, much wider than your respective caricatures of it. The acceptance of homosexuality as a lifestyle choice is just one of a number of removals of taboos in modern-day society. The underlying approach seems to be that the whole concept of taboos is wrong, and THAT's what's causing so many societal problems. If you don't agree, what's your alternative explanation for them?
 
[quote author=Grungefuttock link=topic=21236.msg506777#msg506777 date=1204627948]
I'm sure that's true most of the time, but not always. David Bowie arrived at a decision to live as a gay man part-way through his adult life, though it didn't last, and I remember an interview years ago with one of the Greenham women who spoke about "learning" where all her life preferences, sexual included, actually were as part of her "political awakening".

Top marks for approved PC "wisdom" for your most recent posts, Farky, Bolonga (as someone persists in calling you in one thread ;D), Marquis. Trouble is my point was, and remains, much wider than your respective caricatures of it. The acceptance of homosexuality as a lifestyle choice is just one of a number of removals of taboos in modern-day society. The underlying approach seems to be that the whole concept of taboos is wrong, and THAT's what's causing so many societal problems. If you don't agree, what's your alternative explanation for them?
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euthanasia ...?

drugs...?

the list could go on and on i'm sure ...
 
[quote author=Rollergirl link=topic=21236.msg506751#msg506751 date=1204626559]
Oh Brendan, what have you started?!

The notion that homosexual PDA's incite young children towards homosexuality themselves is utterly preposterous. My sister-in-law is an infant school teacher. On a number of occassions she has taught little boys and girls that she has observed from their behaviour are very obviously gay. And this is at the age of 3 or 4. There is also a little boy in my daughters room at Nursery who is always making a bee-line for the tutu's and fairy outfits from the dressing-up box. He absolutely adores them. He is not even 2. Everyone (including his mother) thinks it is is very funny and sweet and don't see it as something to be concerned about. He could just be displaying a healthy curiosity for things that he has already instinctively learned are not for little boys, or he could turn out to be gay. My point is that homosexuality is not something you learn, it is something you are.
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Or he could have an older sister and be used to playing with girl's toys. My son (19 months) follows his 3 year old sister and copies some of her games. He also spends a lot of time with his housewife mum- so he likes pretending to hoover, and very amusingly, takes clothes out of the washing machine and folds them. Such behavior has nothing to do with sexuality.
 
[quote author=Grungefuttock link=topic=21236.msg506777#msg506777 date=1204627948]
I'm sure that's true most of the time, but not always. David Bowie arrived at a decision to live as a gay man part-way through his adult life, though it didn't last, and I remember an interview years ago with one of the Greenham women who spoke about "learning" where all her life preferences, sexual included, actually were as part of her "political awakening".

Top marks for approved PC "wisdom" for your most recent posts, Farky, Bolonga (as someone persists in calling you in one thread ;D), Marquis. Trouble is my point was, and remains, much wider than your respective caricatures of it. The acceptance of homosexuality as a lifestyle choice is just one of a number of removals of taboos in modern-day society. The underlying approach seems to be that the whole concept of taboos is wrong, and THAT's what's causing so many societal problems. If you don't agree, what's your alternative explanation for them?
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Yes okay, but the examples you give are informed lifestyle choices made by adults. It is an entirely different thing to suggest that young children are "turned" by what they see.

And i don't think that anyone is saying that alltaboos are wrong. Although having said that taboos, more often than not, stem from conventions and traditions that no longer apply in this day and age. Social and public opinion has to move with the times to remain pertinent, wouldn't you say? But of course you still have to apply common sense when interpreting what taboos are still immoral and unacceptable.
 
I am shocked at the reactions on here, thought this site might be more liberal, im sure there might be a gay poster!*looks around worridly*Can reading a gay persons post turn me gay?
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=21236.msg506236#msg506236 date=1204564472]
If you see images of two blokes kissing, or EVEN WORSE, see two gay blokes kissing and cuddling in the street, do you have a reaction?

Like a little shudder of disgust?
Or desire?

Are you utterly unmoved?

What's your reaction to open acts of homosexual attraction?


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In general terms I really can't understand why anyone these days would have a problem with someone being gay. Apart from anything else, whose business is it apart from theirs?

In terms of the situation that was described in the original post, it wouldn't bother me but depending on where you were (and if it was in Old Compton Street I would be surprised if I didn't see something like that!) I may be slightly surprised just because its something relatively unusual.
 
[quote author=Peatcheo link=topic=21236.msg506803#msg506803 date=1204629630]
I am shocked at the reactions on here, thought this site might be more liberal, im sure there might be a gay poster!*looks around worridly*Can reading a gay persons post turn me gay?
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Don't be silly, gays don't like football!
 
[quote author=Peatcheo link=topic=21236.msg506803#msg506803 date=1204629630]
I am shocked at the reactions on here, thought this site might be more liberal, im sure there might be a gay poster!*looks around worridly*Can reading a gay persons post turn me gay?
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I thought you were gay.


I've never had a problem with gay people.
 
[quote author=livvy145 link=topic=21236.msg506809#msg506809 date=1204629991]
[quote author=Peatcheo link=topic=21236.msg506803#msg506803 date=1204629630]
I am shocked at the reactions on here, thought this site might be more liberal, im sure there might be a gay poster!*looks around worridly*Can reading a gay persons post turn me gay?
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I thought you were gay.


I've never had a problem with gay people.
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What made you think that, im not gay just to clarify.
 
[quote author=Peatcheo link=topic=21236.msg506813#msg506813 date=1204630195]
[quote author=livvy145 link=topic=21236.msg506809#msg506809 date=1204629991]
[quote author=Peatcheo link=topic=21236.msg506803#msg506803 date=1204629630]
I am shocked at the reactions on here, thought this site might be more liberal, im sure there might be a gay poster!*looks around worridly*Can reading a gay persons post turn me gay?
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I thought you were gay.


I've never had a problem with gay people.
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What made you think that, im not gay just to clarify.
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I was joking mate.
 
[quote author=Peatcheo link=topic=21236.msg506813#msg506813 date=1204630195]
[quote author=livvy145 link=topic=21236.msg506809#msg506809 date=1204629991]
[quote author=Peatcheo link=topic=21236.msg506803#msg506803 date=1204629630]
I am shocked at the reactions on here, thought this site might be more liberal, im sure there might be a gay poster!*looks around worridly*Can reading a gay persons post turn me gay?
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I thought you were gay.


I've never had a problem with gay people.
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What made you think that, im not gay just to clarify.
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Denial is the first sign of being gay.
 
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