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[gkmacca]

BENITEZ HAS JUST £1.37p TO SPEND - REPORTS
Posted 19/08/09 07:05
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Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez has reportedly been left 'reeling' after being informed by the club's owners that his budget has now been cut yet again - and this time it's down to just £1.37p. He has, it appears, been told that he must now sell his own trousers to raise funds for his catering boxes of Jaffa Cakes, and Sammy Lee has been made to dress up in a monkey outfit and dance around a cap outside Lime Street Station to bring back some pennies. In other news: Rafa Benitez is poised to buy David Silva for £19m.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=35297.msg927608#msg927608 date=1250669580]
BENITEZ HAS JUST £1.37p TO SPEND - REPORTS
Posted 19/08/09 07:05
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Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez has reportedly been left 'reeling' after being informed by the club's owners that his budget has now been cut yet again - and this time it's down to just £1.37p. He has, it appears, been told that he must now sell his own trousers to raise funds for his catering boxes of Jaffa Cakes, and Sammy Lee has been made to dress up in a monkey outfit and dance around a cap outside Lime Street Station to bring back some pennies. In other news: Rafa Benitez is poised to buy David Silva for £19m.
[/quote]Hehe

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=35297.msg927607#msg927607 date=1250669427]
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=35297.msg927462#msg927462 date=1250630253]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35297.msg927159#msg927159 date=1250603956]
DIC dicked around for far too long, and did not send people to the table who could make decisions. Moores saw his arse , and Gillett seized the opportunity

regards
[/quote]

I wonder if Moores had known that it was of the lard variety before that moment.
[/quote]

...or when he failed to make any kind of enquiries about Hicks but took Gillett's word for Hicks' standing, massive irony that that's turned out to be. We were always going to end up in a position like the current one when the Moores family foisted that well-meaning nincompoop on us as chairman.
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I think that is the nub of the perceived problem old chum.
Gillett had a serious nibble before DIC, and the reason they were able to flash through the due diligence, but did not have the required readies. I really wonder how much George knew about Tom before he jumped into bed with him.
I have mixed feelings on this and people are , reasonably, still using the benefit of hindsight. Faced on one hand with a bunch of Arabs that seemed to be dragging matters out for an unreasonably long time, not having the senior people in talks and a suspicion that it was more about money than ethos, and on the other two seemingly genuine genial Americans that had taken on the LFC culture and, seemed much keener in negotiations ,Moores would have taken the decision he saw as the best one, they were both for the same money, but one was on the table in front of him and the other not.
True we probably would have been in a better position if we had waited for DIC, had the worlds economy not imploded. However, I have no doubt in my own mind that if the recession had not occurred we would be now watching the building of the new stadium, and would have had a stronger squad last year, with the implications that brings.

regards

 

[gkmacca]

Hicks and Gillett have also created a Bagehot-like PR problem by making their previous public interventions. If you call the media to explain certain things, then you really have to do that on a regular basis. Hicks was even calling up fans at home at one point a year ago. It's no good sometimes being chatty and sometimes going all Garboesque. The silence now is deafening.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=35297.msg927622#msg927622 date=1250671255]
Hicks and Gillett have also created a Bagehot-like PR problem by making their previous public interventions. If you call the media to explain certain things, then you really have to do that on a regular basis. Hicks was even calling up fans at home at one point a year ago. It's no good sometimes being chatty and sometimes going all Garboesque. The silence now is deafening.
[/quote]

That is very true Macca, we have not had any spoutings from anyone inside the club for months.

regards

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35297.msg927624#msg927624 date=1250671405]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=35297.msg927622#msg927622 date=1250671255]
Hicks and Gillett have also created a Bagehot-like PR problem by making their previous public interventions. If you call the media to explain certain things, then you really have to do that on a regular basis. Hicks was even calling up fans at home at one point a year ago. It's no good sometimes being chatty and sometimes going all Garboesque. The silence now is deafening.
[/quote]

That is very true Macca, we have not had any spoutings from anyone inside the club for months.

regards
[/quote]

Well to be fair, Rafa has sacked most of them, so.. 😉

 

[rage]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=35297.msg927606#msg927606 date=1250669415]
Reading what Rebel and Rage have posted in all these threads, I'm tempted to go for a walk, on the motorway.
[/quote]

you'll be alright after the summer holidays on the m62 in rush hour. sometimes i think walking would be quicker

 

[LadyRed]

I think Rafa's got it wrong. He prioritised the wrong positions. We didn't need to splash out big on a FB, this summer or last. Instead that money should have been used to finance attacking players. That should have been the first priority at the start of the summer. I won't even bother mentioning the Keane farce.

Not £17million on a RB. Rafa also claims he knew that Alonso would leave in April, then why not put in place the deal for Barry? He would have been cheaper than Aquilani, he would have been fit and adapted to the premier league too.

I don't trust the Americians, but last couple of seasons and Rafa's public bitching was enough to make me want him out. I don't wanna see more of them same. If Rafa is leaking these stories to put pressure on the Americians, he needs to look at the wider picture and see the panic, unrest and lack of belief that it will cause within the club, most importantly, amongst the players.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Anita link=topic=35297.msg927900#msg927900 date=1250695152]
I think Rafa's got it wrong. He prioritised the wrong positions. We didn't need to splash out big on a FB, this summer or last.But Arbeloa wanted to go. Who would you play at RB? Should he spend 8m on an Italian or unknown German or pay the going rate for premiership proven? Instead that money should have been used to finance attacking players. That should have been the first priority at the start of the summer. I won't even bother mentioning the Keane farce.

Not £17million on a RB. But when he spent that money is was in the belief that he would be getting 30m plus transfers recieved. Its hardly his fault the posts have been moved once he already spent the money he had Rafa also claims he knew that Alonso would leave in April, when? He's claimed that he tried to talk him into staying and it only became clear late on that he was intent on leaving. then why not put in place the deal for Barry? Because barry wanted mo money He would have been cheaper than Aquilani, he would have been fit and adapted to the premier league too.

I don't trust the Americians, but last couple of seasons and Rafa's public bitching was enough to make me want him out. I don't wanna see more of them same. If Rafa is leaking these stories to put pressure on the Americians, he needs to look at the wider picture and see the panic, unrest and lack of belief that it will cause within the club, most importantly, amongst the players.
[/quote]

 

[Stulikesdrums]

[quote author=Anita link=topic=35297.msg927900#msg927900 date=1250695152]
I think Rafa's got it wrong. He prioritised the wrong positions. We didn't need to splash out big on a FB, this summer or last. Instead that money should have been used to finance attacking players. That should have been the first priority at the start of the summer. I won't even bother mentioning the Keane farce.

Not £17million on a RB. Rafa also claims he knew that Alonso would leave in April, then why not put in place the deal for Barry? He would have been cheaper than Aquilani, he would have been fit and adapted to the premier league too.

I don't trust the Americians, but last couple of seasons and Rafa's public bitching was enough to make me want him out. I don't wanna see more of them same. If Rafa is leaking these stories to put pressure on the Americians, he needs to look at the wider picture and see the panic, unrest and lack of belief that it will cause within the club, most importantly, amongst the players.
[/quote]

Rafa didn't prioritise a RB, Arbeloa did.
Rafa didn't pay 17 million for Glen Johnson.
Rafa did have a deal in place for Barry, he chose the cash.

 

[spider-Neil]

well it seemed like parry was sacked because he was rubbish, the truth is he was binned so his wages could be used to sign a defender.

 

[Rosco]

[quote author=Stu link=topic=35297.msg927926#msg927926 date=1250696093]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=35297.msg927900#msg927900 date=1250695152]
I think Rafa's got it wrong. He prioritised the wrong positions. We didn't need to splash out big on a FB, this summer or last. Instead that money should have been used to finance attacking players. That should have been the first priority at the start of the summer. I won't even bother mentioning the Keane farce.

Not £17million on a RB. Rafa also claims he knew that Alonso would leave in April, then why not put in place the deal for Barry? He would have been cheaper than Aquilani, he would have been fit and adapted to the premier league too.

I don't trust the Americians, but last couple of seasons and Rafa's public bitching was enough to make me want him out. I don't wanna see more of them same. If Rafa is leaking these stories to put pressure on the Americians, he needs to look at the wider picture and see the panic, unrest and lack of belief that it will cause within the club, most importantly, amongst the players.
[/quote]

Rafa didn't prioritise a RB, Arbeloa did.
Rafa didn't pay 17 million for Glen Johnson.
Rafa did have a deal in place for Barry, he chose the cash.
[/quote]

You're not one of these " he only cost us 7m million" idiots are you ?

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35297.msg927931#msg927931 date=1250696341]
[quote author=Stu link=topic=35297.msg927926#msg927926 date=1250696093]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=35297.msg927900#msg927900 date=1250695152]
I think Rafa's got it wrong. He prioritised the wrong positions. We didn't need to splash out big on a FB, this summer or last. Instead that money should have been used to finance attacking players. That should have been the first priority at the start of the summer. I won't even bother mentioning the Keane farce.

Not £17million on a RB. Rafa also claims he knew that Alonso would leave in April, then why not put in place the deal for Barry? He would have been cheaper than Aquilani, he would have been fit and adapted to the premier league too.

I don't trust the Americians, but last couple of seasons and Rafa's public bitching was enough to make me want him out. I don't wanna see more of them same. If Rafa is leaking these stories to put pressure on the Americians, he needs to look at the wider picture and see the panic, unrest and lack of belief that it will cause within the club, most importantly, amongst the players.
[/quote]

Rafa didn't prioritise a RB, Arbeloa did.
Rafa didn't pay 17 million for Glen Johnson.
Rafa did have a deal in place for Barry, he chose the cash.
[/quote]

You're not one of these " he only cost us 7m million" idiots are you ?
[/quote]

but...but they still owe us money for crouch 😉

 

[Stulikesdrums]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35297.msg927931#msg927931 date=1250696341]
[quote author=Stu link=topic=35297.msg927926#msg927926 date=1250696093]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=35297.msg927900#msg927900 date=1250695152]
I think Rafa's got it wrong. He prioritised the wrong positions. We didn't need to splash out big on a FB, this summer or last. Instead that money should have been used to finance attacking players. That should have been the first priority at the start of the summer. I won't even bother mentioning the Keane farce.

Not £17million on a RB. Rafa also claims he knew that Alonso would leave in April, then why not put in place the deal for Barry? He would have been cheaper than Aquilani, he would have been fit and adapted to the premier league too.

I don't trust the Americians, but last couple of seasons and Rafa's public bitching was enough to make me want him out. I don't wanna see more of them same. If Rafa is leaking these stories to put pressure on the Americians, he needs to look at the wider picture and see the panic, unrest and lack of belief that it will cause within the club, most importantly, amongst the players.
[/quote]

Rafa didn't prioritise a RB, Arbeloa did.
Rafa didn't pay 17 million for Glen Johnson.
Rafa did have a deal in place for Barry, he chose the cash.
[/quote]
You're not one of these " he only cost us 7m million" idiots are you ?
[/quote]

Rafa didn't spend 17mil of this summers transfer budget on him.

 

[Rosco]

This years budget would have calculated knowing that 10m was owed for fucks sake.

It's not like that was super extra bonus money

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35297.msg927941#msg927941 date=1250696725]
This years budget would have calculated knowing that 10m was owed for fucks sake.

It's not like that was super extra bonus money
[/quote]Can i have some.

 

[LadyRed]

Rafa said in a press conference last week that he *knew* Alonso wanted to leave in April, he even game specific dates, he mentioned that he first spoke to Alonso's agent on April 13th and they knew to prepare for him leaving then. Rafa also claimed they had then began working on a replacement, although first priority was to try to keep Alonso.

It's all very well for us to hate Barry now and say he was only about the money, but if we didn't even go in with a firm offer until he had already agreed personal terms with City. He was desperate to come to us last summer, with Rafa apparently desperate for us to sign him. We left it too long before making a formal bid for him, and City beat us to it.

The last two summers Rafa has spent £25million on two FB's. Fine, if you've got the money to do that, not so fine when all you do is whinge about having no money. I agree that I'd rather see us sign a quality player like Johnson, but not if it means sacrificing a on an attacking players *again*.

Honestly, when the finger pointing begins between Rafa and the owners, I don't know who to believe. They're all as bad as each other.

 

[Stulikesdrums]

How do you know that?
How do you know over what period of time the money was due back?
Was it due in installments?

 

[Rosco]

I is broker than Skrtel's face.

Soz

 

[Stulikesdrums]

You think we were gonna get 10 million up front from them, when he was sold for 11 million? 1 million up front with 10 to follow is very strange deal to strike.

 

[Oncy]

Rafa also claims he knew that Alonso would leave in April.

Rafa said in a press conference last week that he *knew* Alonso wanted to leave in April

So he didnt say he knew he would leave then?
C'mon Anita, thats tabloid stuff you're trying to pull there. If you think he misspent thats fine, you have a decent case, but dont twist the mans words to make him look a buffoon.

 

[LadyRed]

Oh for the love of god, can we stop with this 'the installment means he only cost £x' please?! It's money that has already allocated and therefore will still come out of the LFC budget somewhere.

Johnson cost £17million. Get over it.

 

[Avmenon]

[quote author=Anita link=topic=35297.msg927943#msg927943 date=1250696781]
Rafa said in a press conference last week that he *knew* Alonso wanted to leave in April, he even game specific dates, he mentioned that he first spoke to Alonso's agent on April 13th and they knew to prepare for him leaving then. Rafa also claimed they had then began working on a replacement, although first priority was to try to keep Alonso.

It's all very well for us to hate Barry now and say he was only about the money, but if we didn't even go in with a firm offer until he had already agreed personal terms with City. He was desperate to come to us last summer, with Rafa apparently desperate for us to sign him. We left it too long before making a formal bid for him, and City beat us to it.

The last two summers Rafa has spent £25million on two FB's. Fine, if you've got the money to do that, not so fine when all you do is whinge about having no money. I agree that I'd rather see us sign a quality player like Johnson, but not if it means sacrificing a on an attacking players *again*.

Honestly, when the finger pointing begins between Rafa and the owners, I don't know who to believe. They're all as bad as each other.

[/quote]

Rafa has bought some crap,no question.

I think you're being a bit hard on him with regards Alonso tho; he may have known he wanted to go, but that doesnt mean he'd definitely leave.You've yourself admitted that keeping Alono was the first priority.

 

[Rosco]

[quote author=Stu link=topic=35297.msg927944#msg927944 date=1250696797]
How do you know that?
How do you know over what period of time the money was due back?
Was it due in installments?

[/quote]

Cos we had it listed as an asset in the accounts.

7m + giving up the rights to 10m = 17m.

There's no two fucking ways about it.

 

[LadyRed]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=35297.msg927949#msg927949 date=1250696930]

Rafa also claims he knew that Alonso would leave in April.

Rafa said in a press conference last week that he *knew* Alonso wanted to leave in April

So he didnt say he knew he would leave then?
C'mon Anita, thats tabloid stuff you're trying to pull there. If you think he misspent thats fine, you have a decent case, but dont twist the mans words to make him look a buffoon.
[/quote]

I'm not gonna have this conversation with you again. 'Wanted to leave' is clearly the one you, Rafa and every other poster on this forum wants to go with , fine. Whatever, it's irrelevent here anyway. Rafa said, we knew the player wanted to leave/was going to leave in April, therefore we had to start making other arrangements. If he was so desperate for Barry, why not put a principal deal in place then? Rafa pissed away money on players he shouldn't have and now he's short again, and so he's whining.

I hate that this is all making me sound anti-Rafa when I'm not. But I'm just not as rose-tinted as some on here to believe that 'Poor Rafa, who loves the fans, never goes anything wrong', the reality is he's as manipulative as the Americans when it comes to dealing with the media and playing the fans. And he's made some terrible judgements when it comes to players he's kept and sold.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35297.msg927954#msg927954 date=1250697199]
[quote author=Stu link=topic=35297.msg927944#msg927944 date=1250696797]
How do you know that?
How do you know over what period of time the money was due back?
Was it due in installments?

[/quote]

Cos we had it listed as an asset in the accounts.

7m + giving up the rights to 10m = 17m.

There's no two fucking ways about it.
[/quote]So thats a no then.

 

[Stulikesdrums]

[quote author=Anita link=topic=35297.msg927950#msg927950 date=1250696955]
Oh for the love of god, can we stop with this 'the installment means he only cost £x' please?! It's money that has already allocated and therefore will still come out of the LFC budget somewhere.
Johnson cost £17million. Get over it.
[/quote]

You're getting worked up here Anita.
Sure the money was owed, but don't know how much was owed and when it was due.
So for that reason, it can be discussed & speculated on in the same everything else that we don't know the full details about is.

You think that we would accept to take 1 million up front for Crouch and then get Pompy to agree that 10 million was due the following summer? That, in my opinion, is very unlikely.

 

[LadyRed]

[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=35297.msg927952#msg927952 date=1250696992]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=35297.msg927943#msg927943 date=1250696781]
Rafa said in a press conference last week that he *knew* Alonso wanted to leave in April, he even game specific dates, he mentioned that he first spoke to Alonso's agent on April 13th and they knew to prepare for him leaving then. Rafa also claimed they had then began working on a replacement, although first priority was to try to keep Alonso.

It's all very well for us to hate Barry now and say he was only about the money, but if we didn't even go in with a firm offer until he had already agreed personal terms with City. He was desperate to come to us last summer, with Rafa apparently desperate for us to sign him. We left it too long before making a formal bid for him, and City beat us to it.

The last two summers Rafa has spent £25million on two FB's. Fine, if you've got the money to do that, not so fine when all you do is whinge about having no money. I agree that I'd rather see us sign a quality player like Johnson, but not if it means sacrificing a on an attacking players *again*.

Honestly, when the finger pointing begins between Rafa and the owners, I don't know who to believe. They're all as bad as each other.

[/quote]

Rafa has bought some crap,no question.

I think you're being a bit hard on him with regards Alonso tho; he may have known he wanted to go, but that doesnt mean he'd definitely leave.You've yourself admitted that keeping Alono was the first priority.
[/quote]

Rafa *said* that trying to keep Alonso was the first priority. Which I don't buy for a second, I think Rafa's priority was get get as much money as possible for him.

 

[Avmenon]

This topic was done earlier; it's a lot easier to just look at the transfer fee and not how it's structured.

It's not as if Aquilani cost us 5 million; even if that's all we've paid so far.

 

[Squiggles]

This wouldn't be an issue had Rafa been given a decent transfer budget this season, however it's highlighting that over the last few years we've sold too many players, and that's left our squad thread-bear. To compound matters we had a disastrous transfer window last summer which was purely Rafa's fault.

On selling players, we've simply released too many squad options like Hyppia, Crouch, Cisse Warnock - players who could be relied upon We seem to have come full circle with Rafa in regards to rotation; he has to see the benefit in keeping players at the club. From what Danny Murphy's said recently Rafa loses all respect for players who aren't regularly in the first team. If he's not going to be nice to them, at least feature them from time to time otherwise they're going to walk for sure.

We had too much to do this summer:

A new RB, new CM, new CB, we all wanted a new LW, as well as back-up striker, possibly two, and I also wanted to ship Dossena out for a new LW.

We can sit around and Yank bash forever and have more than enough content to do so. But Rafa is every much as culpable for the position we find ourselves in. And if we still had some of these formers players on the bench, we'd be in a much stronger position for the title.