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Official Match Thread - Lyon

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[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=36943.msg979234#msg979234 date=1257371476]
I don't get it. I'm at such a loss.

What's gone wrong? The way we conceded the two late goals at Anfield against these guys and again today.

What the hell has happened to us?
[/quote]

I could answer this, but it would be in essay format and all about Rafa.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36943.msg979225#msg979225 date=1257371371]
doesn't look good. flor are at home, are a very accomplised team, will be full of confidence put so many goals past the whipping boys and lyon have nothing to play for...
[/quote]But they'll want 1st place ..
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=36943.msg979237#msg979237 date=1257371510]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=36943.msg979224#msg979224 date=1257371312]
[quote author=the count link=topic=36943.msg979188#msg979188 date=1257370822]
[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=36943.msg979178#msg979178 date=1257370739]
[quote author=FPI Project link=topic=36943.msg979165#msg979165 date=1257370531]
Full time 1-1
[/quote]

Can anyone tell me straight off what this means?

What's the equation?
[/quote]
Lyon are through.
If Fiorentia beat them in Italy there is nothing we can do to qualify.
[/quote]

Come on, though: Fiorentina are not a particularly good side. Lyon and us should beat them. So long as Lyon TRY, they should win. I don't see where the 'we need an upset' line is coming from.
[/quote]

Macca, you're beginning to sound like the knight with no arms and no legs in Monty Python and the Holy Grail who yells 'Tis only a flesh wound!'

Barring a miracle, we're fucked.


[/quote]

Nope, I'm sober and calm and I have other concerns, rather than in a mad rage. In a couple of days time some will agree. I don't much care tonight what others say. It's predictable and I don't blame anyone for saying anything else. And I just want a full strength side.
 
Lyon are far from being great, and we should have beaten them twice in "normal times". Unfortunately these are not "normal times", and we could also have done with some luck - conceding twice in the dying seconds is bad luck (in addition to bad defending).
There's no way Firoentina won't beat Lyon, unless somehow lady luck decides to smile to us for a change.
 
[quote author=FPI Project link=topic=36943.msg979240#msg979240 date=1257371545]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36943.msg979225#msg979225 date=1257371371]
doesn't look good. flor are at home, are a very accomplised team, will be full of confidence put so many goals past the whipping boys and lyon have nothing to play for...
[/quote]But they'll want 1st place ..
[/quote]

Maybe, but first place doesnt mean much now. it's all about getting through something we have not achieved
 
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=36943.msg979224#msg979224 date=1257371312]
[quote author=the count link=topic=36943.msg979188#msg979188 date=1257370822]
[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=36943.msg979178#msg979178 date=1257370739]
[quote author=FPI Project link=topic=36943.msg979165#msg979165 date=1257370531]
Full time 1-1
[/quote]

Can anyone tell me straight off what this means?

What's the equation?
[/quote]
Lyon are through.
If Fiorentia beat them in Italy there is nothing we can do to qualify.
[/quote]

Come on, though: Fiorentina are not a particularly good side. Lyon and us should beat them. So long as Lyon TRY, they should win. I don't see where the 'we need an upset' line is coming from.
[/quote]

I am assuming Macca that Lyon will send a weakened team to Italy. We would do it in their position.
Fiorentina may not be particularly good but neither is Lyon.
I would not expect either team to progress to the quarter finals.
 
macca, fiorentina are good at home with their crowd and Lyon will play their squad players

by all rights fiorentina should put them to the sword knowing if they win they qualify.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36943.msg979238#msg979238 date=1257371512]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=36943.msg979234#msg979234 date=1257371476]
I don't get it. I'm at such a loss.

What's gone wrong? The way we conceded the two late goals at Anfield against these guys and again today.

What the hell has happened to us?
[/quote]

I could answer this, but it would be in essay and format and all about Rafa.
[/quote]

I have my problems with Rafa too, but both games against Lyon are games that we done enough in and should have won. It's like our players have lost the believing mentality; we just crumble.
 
Fiorentina is gonna beat Lyon. Horrible substitution by Rafa. With Torres off their center back helps to keep that ball for in control for Lopez - like that 6 minutes of rest would really make the difference. Watching Voronin play that much of a role in our team actually hurt me. When he went off the commentator remarked about the Liverpool fans cheering the shift Voronin had put in (missed sitter of our season so far). I think we all were cheering a rare correct substitution by Rafa.
 
[quote author=FPI Project link=topic=36943.msg979240#msg979240 date=1257371545]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36943.msg979225#msg979225 date=1257371371]
doesn't look good. flor are at home, are a very accomplised team, will be full of confidence put so many goals past the whipping boys and lyon have nothing to play for...
[/quote]But they'll want 1st place ..
[/quote]
And then just beat flor by three goals!

We are out!
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=36943.msg979237#msg979237 date=1257371510]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=36943.msg979224#msg979224 date=1257371312]
[quote author=the count link=topic=36943.msg979188#msg979188 date=1257370822]
[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=36943.msg979178#msg979178 date=1257370739]
[quote author=FPI Project link=topic=36943.msg979165#msg979165 date=1257370531]
Full time 1-1
[/quote]

Can anyone tell me straight off what this means?

What's the equation?
[/quote]
Lyon are through.
If Fiorentia beat them in Italy there is nothing we can do to qualify.
[/quote]

Come on, though: Fiorentina are not a particularly good side. Lyon and us should beat them. So long as Lyon TRY, they should win. I don't see where the 'we need an upset' line is coming from.
[/quote]

Macca, you're beginning to sound like the knight with no arms and no legs in Monty Python and the Holy Grail who yells 'Tis only a flesh wound!'

Barring a miracle, we're fucked.


[/quote]

;D
 
If anyone is looking for crumbs of comfort the last English team not to qualify from the group stages was Man U four seasons ago.
The season before they went on a run of winning the Premiership three years in a row.
 
[quote author=the count link=topic=36943.msg979268#msg979268 date=1257371831]
If anyone is looking for crumbs of comfort the last English team not to qualify from the group stages was Man U four seasons ago.
The season before they went on a run of winning the Premiership three years in a row.
[/quote]

How is reminding me that Man U have won the Premiership three years in a row comforting exactly?

I recall us getting knocked out of the group stages, only to not win the premiership, I think that might be a more valid comparison.
 
It's almost funny how people want to debate predictions. They're predictions. Have a stiff drink and go to bed. There's no point in any of this. Nighty night.
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=36943.msg979257#msg979257 date=1257371755]
Given the deep affection French people have for England I expect them to go for it 100%.
[/quote]

They hate the Italians too. I don't think that'll make any difference though - Lyon have qualified, they've got lots of injuries, and they'll use the Fiorentina game as a chance to rotate and rest players. Our chances of qualifying have almost certainly gone.
 
Carra's post match interview did help to put things into perspective a bit.

Obviously it would be great to make it through to the final 16, but I think we might as well accept it's highly unlikely that we are. However, it's not the end of the world.

Our manager has an excellent record in Europe, it's important to remember that.
 
[quote author=FPI Project link=topic=36943.msg979279#msg979279 date=1257371943]
Whats your thoughts Ronnie Whealan?
[/quote]

His thoughts are: 'Why do those Liverpool fans keep spelling my name wrong?'
 
[quote author=FPI Project link=topic=36943.msg979279#msg979279 date=1257371943]
Whats your thoughts Ronnie Whealan?
[/quote]

He's on RTE now and he's not exactly complimentary.
 
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=36943.msg979282#msg979282 date=1257371993]
Carra's post match interview did help to put things into perspective a bit.

Obviously it would be great to make it through to the final 16, but I think we might as well accept it's highly unlikely that we are. However, it's not the end of the world.

Our manager has an excellent record in Europe, it's important to remember that.
[/quote]

I must have missed the consolation bit. We're more or less out of the two main competitions we enter each season - in November. That's pretty close to the end of the world, especially for Carra, who is clearly on his last legs.

Or are you being sarcastic, Anita?
 
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=36943.msg979284#msg979284 date=1257372029]
[quote author=FPI Project link=topic=36943.msg979279#msg979279 date=1257371943]
Whats your thoughts Ronnie Whealan?
[/quote]

His thoughts are: 'Why do those Liverpool fans keep spelling my name wrong?'
[/quote]am dislestik
 
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=36943.msg979282#msg979282 date=1257371993]

Our manager has an excellent record in Europe, it's important to remember that.
[/quote]

Gotta disagree on that part. Records mean nothing as of now since we NEED Lyon to beat Fiorentina.
 
[quote author=Assulin link=topic=36943.msg979260#msg979260 date=1257371766]
Fiorentina is gonna beat Lyon. Horrible substitution by Rafa. With Torres off their center back helps to keep that ball for in control for Lopez - like that 6 minutes of rest would really make the difference. Watching Voronin play that much of a role in our team actually hurt me. When he went off the commentator remarked about the Liverpool fans cheering the shift Voronin had put in (missed sitter of our season so far). I think we all were cheering a rare correct substitution by Rafa.

[/quote]

Watching Voronin wearing the LFC shirt is painful. Nevermind playing for us. I'd give him to Hertha for free and play Pacheco/Ecclsetone/Nemmeth (when/if he's back from loan)/ahead of him. He's useless.
 
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=36943.msg979284#msg979284 date=1257372029]
[quote author=FPI Project link=topic=36943.msg979279#msg979279 date=1257371943]
Whats your thoughts Ronnie Whealan?
[/quote]

His thoughts are: 'Why do those Liverpool fans keep spelling my name wrong?'
[/quote]

Ha ha!
 
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=36943.msg979235#msg979235 date=1257371506]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=36943.msg979232#msg979232 date=1257371445]
We're out.
[/quote]

And worse still, we'll have to play in that Europa shite.
[/quote]

Fortunately, we won't beat Debrecin away iin this form. :'(
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=36943.msg979289#msg979289 date=1257372102]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=36943.msg979282#msg979282 date=1257371993]
Carra's post match interview did help to put things into perspective a bit.

Obviously it would be great to make it through to the final 16, but I think we might as well accept it's highly unlikely that we are. However, it's not the end of the world.

Our manager has an excellent record in Europe, it's important to remember that.
[/quote]

I must have missed the consolation bit. We're more or less out of the two main competitions we enter each season - in November. That's pretty close to the end of the world, especially for Carra, who is clearly on his last legs.

Or are you being sarcastic, Anita?

[/quote]

Ha ha
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=36943.msg979289#msg979289 date=1257372102]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=36943.msg979282#msg979282 date=1257371993]
Carra's post match interview did help to put things into perspective a bit.

Obviously it would be great to make it through to the final 16, but I think we might as well accept it's highly unlikely that we are. However, it's not the end of the world.

Our manager has an excellent record in Europe, it's important to remember that.
[/quote]

I must have missed the consolation bit. We're more or less out of the two main competitions we enter each season - in November. That's pretty close to the end of the world, especially for Carra, who is clearly on his last legs.

Or are you being sarcastic, Anita?

[/quote]

It was on ITV.

I'm being sincere, it feels bad right now. But we do need some perspective. Getting knocked out in the group stages is bad, but it's not the end of the world.

That will be at the end of the season if we fail to finish in the top four.
 
[quote author=jimmy link=topic=36943.msg979294#msg979294 date=1257372137]
[quote author=Assulin link=topic=36943.msg979260#msg979260 date=1257371766]
Fiorentina is gonna beat Lyon. Horrible substitution by Rafa. With Torres off their center back helps to keep that ball for in control for Lopez - like that 6 minutes of rest would really make the difference. Watching Voronin play that much of a role in our team actually hurt me. When he went off the commentator remarked about the Liverpool fans cheering the shift Voronin had put in (missed sitter of our season so far). I think we all were cheering a rare correct substitution by Rafa.

[/quote]

Watching Voronin wearing the LFC shirt is painful. Nevermind playing for us. I'd give him to Hertha for free and play Pacheco/Ecclsetone/Nemmeth (when/if he's back from loan)/ahead of him. He's useless.
[/quote]

Pacheco is going to get games in the UEFA cup so that's good I suppose
 
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=36943.msg979302#msg979302 date=1257372268]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=36943.msg979289#msg979289 date=1257372102]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=36943.msg979282#msg979282 date=1257371993]
Carra's post match interview did help to put things into perspective a bit.

Obviously it would be great to make it through to the final 16, but I think we might as well accept it's highly unlikely that we are. However, it's not the end of the world.

Our manager has an excellent record in Europe, it's important to remember that.
[/quote]

I must have missed the consolation bit. We're more or less out of the two main competitions we enter each season - in November. That's pretty close to the end of the world, especially for Carra, who is clearly on his last legs.

Or are you being sarcastic, Anita?

[/quote]

It was on ITV.

I'm being sincere, it feels bad right now. But we do need some perspective. Getting knocked out in the group stages is bad, but it's not the end of the world.

That will be at the end of the season if we fail to finish in the top four.
[/quote]

Fucking hell. It's the beginning of November and we're in damage-limitation mode already. The best thing we can win this season is the FA Cup: that's disastrous.
 
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