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I know it's still early days but this has kickstarted my day:


'it gives me goosebumps to think we could deliver a premier league title.

It's what were there for, we have no other agenda.'

The past month, despite losing Torres goes some way to support those claims.

Is it too early to get excited by these Americans ?
 
Well they're talking the talk and walking the walk if this last transfer window is anything to go by!
 
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=44152.msg1282266#msg1282266 date=1297243690]
I know it's still early days but this has kickstarted my day:


'it gives me goosebumps to think we could deliver a premier league title.

It's what were there for, we have no other agenda.'

The past month, despite losing Torres goes some way to support those claims.

Is it too early to get excited by these Americans ?
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No mate, I don't think it is. They have a strong track record in their own country, and forumites like my old pal Whaddapie who know them in that context were genuinely excited by the prospect when it was first mooted that they might take over. The way they're going about their business now that they ARE in charge looks to me to be justifying that view too.
 
Yeah, you're right. I mean, so what if they wiped out the debt (and the debtors), got rid of Roy and appointed Kenny in the first place?
 
I'm going to sound like what have the romans ever done for us in a minute so I won't even bother arguing. I'll just say that the other yanks went off and bought Torres and Masch when they arrived where this lot haven't spent a bean yet.
 
That's thanks to El Judas f'cking off. Do you seriously imagine they wouldn't have backed Kenny in the market if he'd stayed?
 
Actions and words and whatnot. You know when Chris Rock did that bit about when black men get applauded on Ricky Lake for saying things like 'Well I ain't never been to no prison' or 'I'm not on crack' or 'I pay for my kids food' - and his point was 'You're not supposed to go to prison or take crack, you shouldn't get praise for not just doing the most basic shit'. Well that's kinda my feelings on these yanks right now.
 
[quote author=Krump link=topic=44152.msg1282299#msg1282299 date=1297246774]
I wish people would stop thanking the yanks for our change in fortunes.
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they removed the debt and binned roy (who wasn't their signing). who else are you going to thank?

I will also add it pleased me that the yanks proved they are not knee jerk by giving roy far longer then he had any right to expect given his diasterous time as manager.
 
Well ok at the very least theyve bought in the king and commoli.

Since the two have come in our fortunes on both their respective fields have improved, significantly.

Were financially sound too.

Yeah, talk is cheap but they do it soooooo well
 
Yeh they haven't spent a penny. Apart from the money to buy the club and wipe out the debt loaded on the club that was crippling us. Judge them in the summer.
 
Look they haven't spent a lot of money yet but they have spent it wisely (On getting rid of Hodgson). And they have the capital to loan the club money (interest free and paid back based on revenue) in order to revamp Anfield and the squad that plays in it. Liverpool Football Club will make money for FSG. It will be a profitable and successful business overtime. Hopefully for starters NESN will spread Liverpool's coverage and revenue generated from the US.

The most important fact that should make everyone happy is this Januray Window we got rid of a crappy LB, a shit rapper, and lost a genius injury prone striker who showed diminished hunger and bought two young talented strikers with much cleaner injury records and on the same money as Judas. The two new lads should account for many more games and hopefully goals than the outgoing. FSG will use injury record as a factor for player evaluation. And the fact that Carroll did not have great statistical merit proves they will allow their personnel to use their own criteria for evaluation.
 
I really don't give a fuck about them paying any loan off. They didn't do it for the sake of it, they bought an undervalued asset that they'll realise a massive profit on at some point if they don't mong it all up. I can't even be arsed thinking of my club in those terms.

Is football a simple matter or either being an odious billionaire’s vanity project or whoring yourself out to become one? Both the Mancs and our lot owned by fund managing yank twats and in varying degrees of hock of one form or another as a result of buy outs by unscrupulous investors who didn’t give a toss for football but saw a growth opportunity at just the wrong side of the credit crunch. Chelsea owned by some Russian crook. It's like the cold war but the reds own the blues and the blues own the reds. Ownership and what's happening off the pitch seem to matter a whole lot more than the game itself to some. I try to think when, if ever, I’d considered who owned Liverpool when I’d been fanatical about them as a little kid – but I come up short. That part of the game wasn't a significant part of the debate. Now fans worry as much about the bank balances of their clubs as their league position, and as far as I'm concerned this new dimension of the game seems to be a reflection of everything that is shit about the world.

Ownership of things doesn't interest me. Custodianship was the way I’d seen it before the mongs moved in, someone honourably looking after an institution until they could offer no more, at which point they handed it on to another safe pair of hands, someone who’d been being trained for years and would be as selfless in their task as their predecessor - like Willy fucking Wonka

Naive perhaps, but rather that than contracts and debt and TV rights and stadium naming and banks sticking their names on your team’s shirt, and all the other baggage that surrounds a simple team game. I mean the popularity of footy is surely rooted in the ability to take men out of the boardroom or away from the coal face and just get stuck in and forget about the boring seriousness of their lives.

But you can’t argue with.... natural progression...so they say. It's just that it's been exploited to the nth degree now, so much further, so there’s nothing that isn’t owned by someone.

It's all wrong. Not that long ago there were things that mattered to a lot of people that weren’t primarily commercial, but that debate seems to have ended. The idiots have won. Now all that's sacred and protected are the casinos on Wall Street and in The City. Well fucking enjoy it, but don't mind me waving two fingers and smirking.
 
You kind of blew me out of the water Krump. You're right and I can't argue it.

But unrealistic...
 
Definitely so. Like it or not (and I can share Krump's distaste in some ways) football HAS moved on, and we as a club faced a choice some time ago - continue our gentle slide into permanent second-rate status under Moores and Parry, or "rage against the dying of the light" and aim to get back to the top, which was always going to take shedloads of cash. As a Red since Shanks' day, I'm glad we've taken the latter route and I'm doubly glad it's brought us - eventually - into ownership which does seem to "get" what this club really means.
 
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=44152.msg1282629#msg1282629 date=1297274580]
Didn't we buy Suarez before we got any money for Judas?
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The deal was held up until we were in the advanced stages of the Torres deal. It's worth remembering that Torres let slip that negotiations had been ongoing for twelve days before his deal was done.

That fits in with the timeline for when we supposedly increased our bid for Suarez. The chances are we couldn't have afforded the 22m+ for Suarez without selling Torres.

PR wise we couldn't have come out of this whole deal any better, but I've no doubt the owners were very happy to see him go given his future injury risk and the size of his contract.
 
Before we start labelling our new owners as the same tight fisted cunts as the previous ones, let's wait and see how we perform in the summer. As Krump says, I'd love to be able to worry about the football and not the financial side of business anymore but unfortunately that's the footballing world we live in today. I find the suspicion of our new owners slightly irritating if I'm honest given what Kenny has publicly stated around how keen they were to back him up in the January window. We've no view of what their true plans are financially for us despite the 'bought us on the cheap' statements and the other conspiracy theories. It's early days for them as yet - time will tell.
 
I'm not saying I'm for or against them. I'm neither. They've done nothing that's pissed me off or impressed me. Yeah, they fired Roy and hired Kenny, but that was what everyone on here was screaming for. It was hardly a curveball from left field or whatever these fucking septics would say.
 
Like I say, time will tell mate. None of us can read minds and thus true intentions. There's a huge amount of speculation that's perhaps unfounded (or maybe not). I'm like you in a way. I'm fed up about worrying about it and I just want to start enjoying football again - not the sideshow that accompanies it. For first time in years, absolute fucking years of drudgery, misery and depression, it's starting to feel a little like that again. As much as I'm feeling positive about that side of things the constant speculation and suspicion of our owners that goes on upon a daily basis is starting to suck the life out of me. I think a lot of it is a hangover from our previous scum owners but I guess that's somewhat understandable. I, however, have a little faith in our new owners. I truly don't believe they're in it just for money. They're incredibly rich as it is. I think they want something money can't buy - glory, success and the feeling of rebuilding a fallen giant - just like the Red Sox. I think that's their drug, their buzz. They also seem to understand us far more than they're given credit for and are pretty much as far removed from the two cunts as you can get. The only synergy between them I see is nationality.

I might be massively wrong of course and most of this is gut instinct but I'm willing to give them a chance and I actually have a bit of faith which is based on nothing more that my personal thoughts and feelings. I'm sick of thinking negatively if I'm honest. I truly feel a bit of positivity for the first time in God knows how many years. I hope those feelings come true because I really can't deal with another Hicks/Gillete scenario - it would break the relationship between me, football and Liverpool near enough permanently.
 
[quote author=Krump link=topic=44152.msg1282647#msg1282647 date=]
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I'm in awe! That's a superb response and I feel compelled to applaud
 
They've pretty much done everything that would have been expected given their history with the Red Sox. They've focused on getting as many high calibre people into the club as possible, Comolli as DOF, Kenny's appointment as manager, Clarke as first team coach.

One of the hallmarks of their time with the Red Sox is that generally their coaches have been borderline overqualified for their jobs, and they all eventually get linked with managerial jobs that come up (My Bluejays hired a Boston Coach as their manager this summer). Clarke is of a very similar profile. I'm aware Kenny would have had a big hand in getting Clarke on board but it's clear to see he shares the same view, and because he has the self confidence without the ego (which I think is untypical in football managers) he is happy to appoint the best available and let them share in the credit that is due for any success.

I think judging the owners on money spent this summer is unfair. It ignores the reality of the previous situation, the interest merely exacerbated things, the major problem was that as a club we were spending more than we brought in every year. We made losses regardless of the interest. That had to stop clearly, and with the debt hanging over us it had to stop pretty dramatically.

Traditionally our net spend was funded mainly by the difference CL football made to our revenues, without it we're going to continue to have low net spends unless we find new sources of revenue or decrease our costs. A low net spend this summer would be a result of a failure to qualify for the CL at the end of this season (some might blame FSG for that, I don't think I would) and the past commitments made in the transfer market and in contracts to players. Again not FSG's fault.

Judge them in about 5 years time, I'd be willing to bet that we'll have a league title in the bag by then.
 
Have you altered your views on the difference a managerial change to our fortunes makes Ross?
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=44152.msg1282766#msg1282766 date=1297292187]
Have you altered your views on the difference a managerial change to our fortunes makes Ross?
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Not really, I still think it's only one part of the equation. But Kenny has had a much bigger impact than I could have imagined.
 
[quote author=Krump link=topic=44152.msg1282753#msg1282753 date=1297290604]
I'm not saying I'm for or against them. I'm neither. They've done nothing that's pissed me off or impressed me. Yeah, they fired Roy and hired Kenny, but that was what everyone on here was screaming for. It was hardly a curveball from left field or whatever these fucking septics would say.
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One thing on this - does not the fact they listened to the fans say something ?
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=44152.msg1282765#msg1282765 date=1297291984]
Judge them in about 5 years time


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Lol, cos that will happen.
 
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