NBA Regular season & PLAYOFFS
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Re: NBA Regular season
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=36798.msg1002337#msg1002337 date=1259575472]
They tied for the worst record. Got blown out by the Lakers.
0-17. Unbelievable.
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yah ... embarassing.
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=36798.msg1002337#msg1002337 date=1259575472]
They tied for the worst record. Got blown out by the Lakers.
0-17. Unbelievable.
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yah ... embarassing.
Re: NBA Regular season
Nets set a record low, "Nets lose to Mavs, fall to 0-18 on season" (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=291202017)
Artest opens his mouth again:
Nets set a record low, "Nets lose to Mavs, fall to 0-18 on season" (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=291202017)
Artest opens his mouth again:
Re: NBA Regular season
I heard about Artest this morning on ESPN.
What a complete jackass. Why do it in the first place, then after getting away with it, why admit it later on.
He said he would walk to the liquor store close to the arena, to get the liquor, that is thug life.
Reminds me of a few years ago when Alan Iverson got caught smoking weed in his car out of a coke can. Dude you make millions of dollars, buy a pipe.
I heard about Artest this morning on ESPN.
What a complete jackass. Why do it in the first place, then after getting away with it, why admit it later on.
He said he would walk to the liquor store close to the arena, to get the liquor, that is thug life.
Reminds me of a few years ago when Alan Iverson got caught smoking weed in his car out of a coke can. Dude you make millions of dollars, buy a pipe.
Re: NBA Regular season
[quote author=Karl Hungus link=topic=36798.msg1005548#msg1005548 date=1259887096]
I heard about Artest this morning on ESPN.
What a complete jackass. Why do it in the first place, then after getting away with it, why admit it later on.
He said he would walk to the liquor store close to the arena, to get the liquor, that is thug life.
Reminds me of a few years ago when Alan Iverson got caught smoking weed in his car out of a coke can. Dude you make millions of dollars, buy a pipe.
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Hahah...brilliant!!
[quote author=Karl Hungus link=topic=36798.msg1005548#msg1005548 date=1259887096]
I heard about Artest this morning on ESPN.
What a complete jackass. Why do it in the first place, then after getting away with it, why admit it later on.
He said he would walk to the liquor store close to the arena, to get the liquor, that is thug life.
Reminds me of a few years ago when Alan Iverson got caught smoking weed in his car out of a coke can. Dude you make millions of dollars, buy a pipe.
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Hahah...brilliant!!
Re: NBA Regular season
Iverson is a thug. A great player in his day but a thug. A hall of famer imo but a thug.
Iverson is a thug. A great player in his day but a thug. A hall of famer imo but a thug.
Re: NBA Regular season
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=36798.msg1008338#msg1008338 date=1260201920]
Why is he a thug Wiz? Cos he has tatoos and is outspoken?
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Yes that would mean that most professional atheletes are thugs, and I don't think that's the case.
But let's look at Iverson's 'track record' and why I call him a thug:
- His role in a black vs white fight in some bowling alley in Virginia (almost cost him his collegiate career and was pardoned after a felony conviction)
- Rumors that he threatened his wife with a gun (I think he was accused of 12 felonies because of this alone!)
- drug busts
- gun arrests
- fighting arrests
- driving arrests
- non-stop issues with coaches about practices
Still a great player but he was a thug ... He may have changed some but I doubt it ...
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=36798.msg1008338#msg1008338 date=1260201920]
Why is he a thug Wiz? Cos he has tatoos and is outspoken?
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Yes that would mean that most professional atheletes are thugs, and I don't think that's the case.
But let's look at Iverson's 'track record' and why I call him a thug:
- His role in a black vs white fight in some bowling alley in Virginia (almost cost him his collegiate career and was pardoned after a felony conviction)
- Rumors that he threatened his wife with a gun (I think he was accused of 12 felonies because of this alone!)
- drug busts
- gun arrests
- fighting arrests
- driving arrests
- non-stop issues with coaches about practices
Still a great player but he was a thug ... He may have changed some but I doubt it ...
Re: NBA Regular season
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=36798.msg1008356#msg1008356 date=1260203199]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=36798.msg1008338#msg1008338 date=1260201920]
Why is he a thug Wiz? Cos he has tatoos and is outspoken?
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Yes that would mean that most professional atheletes are thugs, and I don't think that's the case.
But let's look at Iverson's 'track record' and why I call him a thug:
- His role in a black vs white fight in some bowling alley in Virginia (almost cost him his collegiate career and was pardoned after a felony conviction)
- Rumors that he threatened his wife with a gun (I think he was accused of 12 felonies because of this alone!)
- drug busts
- gun arrests
- fighting arrests
- driving arrests
- non-stop issues with coaches about practices
Still a great player but he was a thug ... He may have changed some but I doubt it ...
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He was acquitted of the bowling alley incident as you well know. And incident that was rigid in racial controversy with conflicting witness statements throughout. A racial brawl after which all the suspects that were arrested were black.
The specifics of the domestic issue with his wife have never been clear beyond outrageous rumours.
As for many of the other cases you've mentioned, he's been around rather than directly involved in a few incidents, and most of them were in the earlier part of his career.
He is an emotional guy and has fallouts with coaches which he does bring on himself entirely, I agree with that.
Sad that people still judge him primarily by them.
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=36798.msg1008356#msg1008356 date=1260203199]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=36798.msg1008338#msg1008338 date=1260201920]
Why is he a thug Wiz? Cos he has tatoos and is outspoken?
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Yes that would mean that most professional atheletes are thugs, and I don't think that's the case.
But let's look at Iverson's 'track record' and why I call him a thug:
- His role in a black vs white fight in some bowling alley in Virginia (almost cost him his collegiate career and was pardoned after a felony conviction)
- Rumors that he threatened his wife with a gun (I think he was accused of 12 felonies because of this alone!)
- drug busts
- gun arrests
- fighting arrests
- driving arrests
- non-stop issues with coaches about practices
Still a great player but he was a thug ... He may have changed some but I doubt it ...
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He was acquitted of the bowling alley incident as you well know. And incident that was rigid in racial controversy with conflicting witness statements throughout. A racial brawl after which all the suspects that were arrested were black.
The specifics of the domestic issue with his wife have never been clear beyond outrageous rumours.
As for many of the other cases you've mentioned, he's been around rather than directly involved in a few incidents, and most of them were in the earlier part of his career.
He is an emotional guy and has fallouts with coaches which he does bring on himself entirely, I agree with that.
Sad that people still judge him primarily by them.
Re: NBA Regular season
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=36798.msg1011201#msg1011201 date=1260463450]
If trouble and controversy was a norm throughout much of his youth and then his career, why is Avy's assessment unfair?
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I'll tell you what D - if my son ever looks up to Allen Iverson as a role model, I'd feel like I've done a poor job in parenting.
There's so few sports role models out there come to think of it ...
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=36798.msg1011201#msg1011201 date=1260463450]
If trouble and controversy was a norm throughout much of his youth and then his career, why is Avy's assessment unfair?
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I'll tell you what D - if my son ever looks up to Allen Iverson as a role model, I'd feel like I've done a poor job in parenting.
There's so few sports role models out there come to think of it ...
Re: NBA Regular season
I think he choked his coach out during practice once, it may be Latrell Spreewell, I'm thinking of though.
I think he choked his coach out during practice once, it may be Latrell Spreewell, I'm thinking of though.
Re: NBA Regular season
Karl - you're defo thinking of Spreewell. He chocked PJ Carlisemo (sp) ... Idiot.
I've done some reading about AI and it seems he's grown up a bit ... For example: http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2009-02-19/allen-iverson-knows-hes-a-role-model/
Which is why I said, he was pardonned. However, just because the police did their job poorly yet again, does that take way from the fact he was there and he was involved? I wonder if Robert Parrish was ever involved in something like this ...
Didn't he get 12 felonies for issues with his wife? Maybe it's something else he did ...
Karl - you're defo thinking of Spreewell. He chocked PJ Carlisemo (sp) ... Idiot.
I've done some reading about AI and it seems he's grown up a bit ... For example: http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2009-02-19/allen-iverson-knows-hes-a-role-model/
Which is why I said, he was pardonned. However, just because the police did their job poorly yet again, does that take way from the fact he was there and he was involved? I wonder if Robert Parrish was ever involved in something like this ...
Didn't he get 12 felonies for issues with his wife? Maybe it's something else he did ...
Re: NBA Regular season
I'm not sure how much is believable but the stat with Crawford is startling ... Would make sense considering how many 'calls' Wade got that series, including the famous 'traveling' call that was somehow missed.
I'm not sure how much is believable but the stat with Crawford is startling ... Would make sense considering how many 'calls' Wade got that series, including the famous 'traveling' call that was somehow missed.
Re: NBA Regular season
It's debatable as to whether he's turned his life around. Anyway, off-the-court issues apart, it'd be pretty sad to have him as a role model even as a player alone. What has he inspired after all - a generation of scoring point guards, who are highly detrimental to winning basketball. The NBA would be far richer if there were more Steve Nash's than Allen Iverson's, that's for certain.
It's debatable as to whether he's turned his life around. Anyway, off-the-court issues apart, it'd be pretty sad to have him as a role model even as a player alone. What has he inspired after all - a generation of scoring point guards, who are highly detrimental to winning basketball. The NBA would be far richer if there were more Steve Nash's than Allen Iverson's, that's for certain.
Re: NBA Regular season
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=36798.msg1013273#msg1013273 date=1260730526]
What? Someone who turned their life around is a bad role model? Like I said, he made some mistakes early on when he was younger and has spent most of his life/career paying for them.
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I still don't think he's 'turned it around' - then again, I may be 100% wrong but I don't follow him around nor do I know anyone who does, so I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt here ... Fact is, I don't care if he has tattoos or he raps or he talks trash like Larry Bird or he's a momma's boy, he's just not someone I respect as a 'person'. As a player, I think he was phenomenal though dmishra raises a very good point about his 'PG style' - shoot 1st, pass later.
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=36798.msg1013273#msg1013273 date=1260730526]
What? Someone who turned their life around is a bad role model? Like I said, he made some mistakes early on when he was younger and has spent most of his life/career paying for them.
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I still don't think he's 'turned it around' - then again, I may be 100% wrong but I don't follow him around nor do I know anyone who does, so I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt here ... Fact is, I don't care if he has tattoos or he raps or he talks trash like Larry Bird or he's a momma's boy, he's just not someone I respect as a 'person'. As a player, I think he was phenomenal though dmishra raises a very good point about his 'PG style' - shoot 1st, pass later.
Re: NBA Regular season
Speaking of thugs, here's the latest one
Trevor Ariza Swings Elbow at DeMar DeRozan - Gets Ejected
Speaking of thugs, here's the latest one
Trevor Ariza Swings Elbow at DeMar DeRozan - Gets Ejected
Re: NBA Regular season
Interesting stat I just read while browsing NBA.com:
Final 24 seconds, since 2002-03 (one-possesion game):
Player FG-FGA FG Pct.
Lebron James 23-47 48.9
Dirk Nowitzki 18-41 43.9
Vince Carter 22-70 31.4
Kobe Bryant 21-69 30.4
How clutch is Lebron?
Interesting stat I just read while browsing NBA.com:
Final 24 seconds, since 2002-03 (one-possesion game):
Player FG-FGA FG Pct.
Lebron James 23-47 48.9
Dirk Nowitzki 18-41 43.9
Vince Carter 22-70 31.4
Kobe Bryant 21-69 30.4
How clutch is Lebron?
Re: NBA Regular season
no Dirk against King James nad Shaq? No problem for the Mavs ...
no Dirk against King James nad Shaq? No problem for the Mavs ...
Re: NBA Regular season
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=36798.msg1016386#msg1016386 date=1261083906]
Interesting stat I just read while browsing NBA.com:
Final 24 seconds, since 2002-03 (one-possesion game):
Player FG-FGA FG Pct.
Lebron James 23-47 48.9
Dirk Nowitzki 18-41 43.9
Vince Carter 22-70 31.4
Kobe Bryant 21-69 30.4
How clutch is Lebron?
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Only slightly more clutch than Dirk.
Isn't that what you were REALLY pointing out here..? ;D
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=36798.msg1016386#msg1016386 date=1261083906]
Interesting stat I just read while browsing NBA.com:
Final 24 seconds, since 2002-03 (one-possesion game):
Player FG-FGA FG Pct.
Lebron James 23-47 48.9
Dirk Nowitzki 18-41 43.9
Vince Carter 22-70 31.4
Kobe Bryant 21-69 30.4
How clutch is Lebron?
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Only slightly more clutch than Dirk.
Isn't that what you were REALLY pointing out here..? ;D
